Cheers for that.
Yeah I personally will be very surprised to see Rooney playing any part at the weekend. If he does play, and play badly, the furore from United fans would be unprecedented.
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Yeah I personally will be very surprised to see Rooney playing any part at the weekend. If he does play, and play badly, the furore from United fans would be unprecedented.
I am sick of the discussion always being around Rooney.
Every question is about Rooney. When will he be dropped, what does he have to do to get in the team, where is his best position? The frustrating part is that it's all about a player that's almost finished.
Now, we go into the most important ha,e of the season so far and it will just be about one player. Is he going to play or not?
All our top players have question marks ffs and he has the biggest.
The fact that he's even regarded as one of our top players and our highest earner makes me
Every question is about Rooney. When will he be dropped, what does he have to do to get in the team, where is his best position? The frustrating part is that it's all about a player that's almost finished.
Now, we go into the most important ha,e of the season so far and it will just be about one player. Is he going to play or not?
All our top players have question marks ffs and he has the biggest.
The fact that he's even regarded as one of our top players and our highest earner makes me
Mick Clegg effectively said that gym could have made Rooney into the best player in the world like Ronaldo if he spent time in gym like ronaldo did (on clegg's advice. Basically that interview was all about Clegg saying "If he listened to me he could have been the best, now he is just a really good player"). The fact is no one spends time in the gym like Ronaldo does. Did you actually believe that a footballer didnt think gym was important?You are desperately clutching at straws here it's ridiculous.I have stated with facts the standards that ex pros have stated regarding his behaviour and it's still the same old Pereira and Herrera interview.
I make it seem that he has missed games due to his misbehaviours? I made that up? If you don't have a clue on something, don't come and act like a pro. Everyone knows he's missed a good number of games due to his drinking misdemeanours.
You can't be proud that you made that above statement, seriously can't!
You are done with Maradona, Ronaldinho, Best, Keane and Adams now you have brought in Bale and Messi. Awesome comedy value. For the umpteenth time, provide one piece of evidence that Messi and Bale have done a Rooney, just one!
I did not mention that Clegg said Rooney doesn't train as much as Ronaldo, heck the guys said Rooney did not see the importance of the gym. What does Messi not training as much Ronaldo have to do with this? You've brought Messi into the picture too?
Once again, since you are the one with the English language as his strongest suit, do you still want that gold star? So petty and childish to talk about someone's mastery of the English language behind the protection of the screen, just because they disagree with your views on Wayne Rooney!
And no, you brought in Bale and Messi.
to which I replied
then you said
you want proof messi is drunk? Im sure its readily available in google if you search. From memory, he got pretty wasted celebrating the treble couple of years back and I'm sure that wouldnt be the only instance. We probably dont hear most of the instances anyway. Anyway my point was that he hasnt sacrificed alcohol either and gets wasted often. Which was your first point
But he hasnt missed games due to drinking. Rooney in all likelihood would also be fit enough to play the next game (whether he plays or not is completely upto mourinho). Now has Rooney eased up in training? I dont know but his teammates seem to think he is one of the hardest training player. I'm sure that is better "evidence" than general stuff said by Stan Collymore and Phil Neville.
i do want to know about this though. Because I cant remember a lot of games he has missed. I can remember the one game vs Blackburn, and thats it. I tried searching and got no results. So maybe if you can help me get this number (how much is it? he has played about 500 games for us so good number would mean 20 or more?).
And I already replied to the Gold Star thing.
So either he gets drunk on a daily basis and still manages to be the best in training or that he actually takes training very seriously
seems a fair enough statement? It effectively says that he doesnt get as affected by the supposed frequent drinking as you are so strongly trying to say.
care to elaborate why?
English isnt my first language admittedly and the reason I wrote was
So basically he didnt understand what I wrote. I just tried to put it nicely saying "Comprehension isnt your strong suit."
So whats ironic in this?
I assume you mean in this scenario? That depends if you believe the knee injury yarn.
If you're talking about in the past, then yes he definitely has and we dropped enough points to be the difference between Champions and Runners Up.
Seems like Klopp is far more sensible on this topic than a lot of people.
That was because our manager thought playing Rafael and Park in midfield was a wonderful idea.
Klopp keeps bigging Rooney up, probably because he knows if Rooney plays we will remain Rubbish! well done Klopp I was talking about this scenario. Even otherwise, i take it you mean 11-12? That was mainly lost due to the run we had where we drew 4-4 with everton, lost 1-0 to city and 1-0 to wigan towards the end of the season. Blaming losses in December for that is pretty extreme. I remember Will Keane blocked a shot that was going in, in that 3-2 blackburn loss. We might as well blame Will Keane for not winning the title. We were 10 points ahead or something with a handful of games left but we ended up on the same points.
And how many games did he miss because of this? The post I responded to seemed to indicate a lot.
Yeah I'm sure that's the reason.
He didn't play the Rovers game which we should have won with or without Rooney. Playing Rafael and Park in midfield though wasn't a smart idea. Fergie must have pretty drunk himself to go with that choice.
Rooney could be filmed shooting up in the toilets and you'd find some way to defend him.
"Oh it's only heroin, it's harmless"
I've just read Klopps quotes, he doesn't even know the story/scenario behind it, he thinks Rooney was just caught having 1 drink, not being so drunk he couldn't walk properly or talk!
I bet he would laugh and chuckle if that was Coutinho or Sturridge, wouldn't he?
I would imagine a lot players drink in private, I don't think anyone has a problem with that. What I find most tragic about Rooney is, whereas many players without his ability (Milner for example) sacrifice everything to have a career at the top level, Wayne seems to live as he wants. He is a professional athlete so let's not get carried away and think he is an alcoholic or smokes 20 a day but, compared to the world's elite, he looks very out of shape and doesn't seem to lead the most healthy lifestyle. The advantages are so minimal for the amount of training someone like Ronaldo does but that extra half yard of pace, reaction time, few inches in your leap etc makes all the difference.
The real sad part is we used to speak about Rooney & Ronaldo in the same breath, both young exciting players. Arguably Rooney matured quicker and was more exciting in the early part of his career given how he burst onto the scene immediately and Ronaldo took a bit of time to settle in the PL. There's no doubt Rooney will be remembered as a PL great but I will always think what could have been given how ridiculously talented he was.
The real sad part is we used to speak about Rooney & Ronaldo in the same breath, both young exciting players. Arguably Rooney matured quicker and was more exciting in the early part of his career given how he burst onto the scene immediately and Ronaldo took a bit of time to settle in the PL. There's no doubt Rooney will be remembered as a PL great but I will always think what could have been given how ridiculously talented he was.
The interview was Clegg comparing the attitudes of the different players not how much volume they put in. Why should I listen to you when there is a credible opinion from an unbiased coach that worked with both players. The man said that Rooney didn't think that gym was important, so why are you asking that question? There was another coach that said Rooney always trained like he's made it as opposed to pushing himself everyday.
No one asked you to find a story of Messi being drunk but well done for providing us with a story of Messi being drunk at the end of the season after winning the treble, great job Sherlock! That's the only one you can prove, whereas there are multiple evidences pointing to Rooney being wasted during the season and not that his form was even good enough either
The fact that anyone can possibly think that it's plausible that anybody can make such a statement is seriously baffling!
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As most of them likely behaved themselves, I wonder how they feel if Captain Flabtastic loses them that perk?
The same way the ex Liverpool pundits always insist that Rooney plays every game. Gotta give it to them they love their club!
How is it even a discussion about Rooney, or any other footballer, should be allowed to drink alcohol? A friend of mine who was a swimmer at the age of 16 was told to either quit drinking or swimming - of course he opted for the latter. The point is that for an athlete, as for anyone, alcohol impairs your physical prowess. Of course, a footballer doesn't rely on his athleticism alone like a sprinter, a swimmer or a cross country skier, but they are still vital for a modern day footballer. Rooney could have been better if he had sacrificed more, but all things considered, one can hardly complain about his career.
Over the last 10 years Rooney has been one of my favourite players. His downturn over the last couple of years has been sad to see although I still believe he should be treated with respect as club legend deserves and believe he could offer something at this club. However, as a club we have been clearly concerned by his level of performance in recent times. When your employers are concerned by your performance level, one of the worst things you can do is aggravate that situation.
Unfortunately for Rooney that is exactly what he has done both to England and United. He should be fighting for his place in the team, doing extra work in the gym if necessary and setting an example the best he can. Instead these photos appear in the papers of him completely off his head. I want to defend Rooney, I really do, but in this case he is doing himself no favours and is only feeding the media monster and negativity toward him that has emerged in recent times.
Well said. If he was in good form I wouldn't begrudge him a few drinks tbh.
Great insight about your friend. I don't think anyone will dispute what Rooney has achieved in his career. It's a question of professionalism, whether you play for Manchester United of Accrington Stanley. Just because he has won stuff doesn't mean it is acceptable. A standard is set for all paid athletes and no one should above it just because they have have a fine career. When you stop meeting the requirements and commitments, then maybe you should stop being at athletes. I hate the double standards in this country!
The annoying thing is that some young ones aspiring to become footballers will look at their poster boy and think, as long as I can play 90mins next week, one night of mischief is alright.
You really think footballers (not all) don't have a night here and there that they drink? I don't remember his drinking having an effect on his game back when he was in top form and no one made a big deal of it. It's become such a big deal because it's Rooney. Why wasn't him and the England getting really drunk last September reported in the media?
No it has become a big deal because it is Rooney and he has been playing badly in recent times. If he was playing like he was 8 years ago it wouldn't have been such a big issue, hell he could have shagged a granny and it wouldn't have been a big deal
I am sure he is inbred too....Well he's not exactly got genetics on his side, has he?
There are athletes across all disciplines, at the highest level, who at times drink or live to excess.
These guys are in their 20's and early 30's, and are extremely wealthy. Of course at times they'll overdo it. It's just not logical to think they're at home everynight behaving for 10 years.
Was it the American swimming team who got caught at the Olympics acting up? They had a drink and behaved far worse than Rooney has.
Usain Bolt loves a party. If Rooney was photographed as Bolt is there'd be an uproar.
Boxers are notorious for cocaine use.
Athletics is rife with doping.
Christ imagine if rugby players were under the spotlight light footballers. The drinking culture is much more prominent than it is in football.
Yes there's a line and ideally it shouldn't be crossed but they're still human beings. Now and again they'll get it wrong.
Watching so many of the posters on here fire each other up has been interesting. The conclusions they've come to from such little evidence, the moral judgement, the demands for punishment. Nuts.
Non story.
But obviously the rooney brigade on here will lap it up.
Ten england players went in to london and got pissed. who cares? they had permission.
But obviously the rooney brigade on here will lap it up.
Ten england players went in to london and got pissed. who cares? they had permission.
Is it so hard for you people who are defending Rooney to see the point? I couldn't care less if this happened while he was in top form and delivering the goods for the club.
He's not, and who's to say it's not down to him doing this regularly? Plus he's our only senior striker for a big game this weekend, has a chance to win his place back but he's taking the piss by getting shit faced in the days leading up to it.
I've been one of his critics these three years but I was looking forward to him facing Arsenal, because he always does pretty well against them, but he just had to do something daft and make it easier to dislike him more didn't he?
He's not, and who's to say it's not down to him doing this regularly? Plus he's our only senior striker for a big game this weekend, has a chance to win his place back but he's taking the piss by getting shit faced in the days leading up to it.
I've been one of his critics these three years but I was looking forward to him facing Arsenal, because he always does pretty well against them, but he just had to do something daft and make it easier to dislike him more didn't he?
If Rooney were playing well, people wouldn't care. The examples you give are about top athletes who put in top performances week in, week out. Rooney is better paid than most of these top athletes but unlike them he isn't doing his job well. Given his apparently premature decline, people are entitled to ask questions about his professionalism.
Rooney and professionalism go together like lamb and tunafish..
Indeed and you are absolutely right. I think this expression sums up pretty much how most of the population think at the moment; whatever he earns in a week, is clearly money for old rope, and the club are just happy to keep on paying him and he wants to stay until 2019? If he wants to stay, he either has to change his attitude, or he has to go because I'll be buggered if I want this scouse chav (because that is what he is turning into with his adidas gear and can of beers, all it is missing is his baseball cap and backslang) representing my club as Captain. This website has 10 attributes of being a good captain, and Rooney does not do any of that:
http://www.layups.com/10-attributes-of-a-good-team-captain/
Or this list of attributes:
http://www.leadershipexpert.co.uk/sports-team-captain.html
Cristiano Ronaldo and Zlatan, for example, prove that not all footballers ”overdo it”. They’ve decided not to drink (Zlatan has been drunk twice in his life iirc), which helps them lengthen their respective careers.
Yes, as a DJ. After he’s won gold in Olympics or something. Find me a trustworthy article on Bolt being hammered. And above all, Bolt (one year younger than Rooney) is still the best in his sport, so his ”partying” obviously hasn’t slowed him down. in 2015 Bolt noticed during his recovery from an injury, that his age makes it harder to recover. So he changed his diet, started eating much more vegetables, stopped playing videogames late at night so that he’d get more sleep. Haven’t heard anything like that about Rooney. Giggsy started doing yoga and kept himself slim till his 40s.
Yes, and who exactly is saying that they should do coke or that boxers are good role models? Most of them are ”soft in the head” by the time they’re 40. Mike Tyson a good example.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. They’ve doped so that they’d be better athletes. And get bans as result of that.
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He's a fat bastard that is absolutely stinking the club out right now both on and off the pitch.
His PR team pushed out a narrative about the sacrifice he made for the club against Bayern being the reason he is sluggish and shite these days when it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that the real reason is because he's got shite genes and can't get away with not looking after his body like the athlete he's paid to be.
Do I care that he's a bloke and he likes to get drunk, no, couldn't give a shit. Do I care that he's getting fecked up when he's supposed to be doing everything he possibly can to justify his exorbitant wages and Godfather like status with both club and national teams? Yes.
The guy is an absolute waste man. Shit loads of talent, energy and drive has been replaced with ego, apathy and a belief that he should be afforded the same respect as the senior players he grew up playing under. The difference is that they never stopped working hard and earning that respect. He seems to genuinely believe that he's paid his dues and club and country should now revolve around him.
The day we get rid of Rooney is the first day we'll move forward as a club since Fergie left.
*applauds*
Absolutely 100%, and id like to reiterate, if only Fergie had stayed one more year, Rooney would of been sold and for a handsome price. sigh
The England performance against Spain (in spite of what happened in the last 5 minutes) proved that England don't need him anymore. We have Sterling, Sturridge, Lallana, Rashford, Rose, Walker and a few others who have pace and who can play a very good ball. As far as I'm concerned, if ever there was a moment we have to prove that we can move on as a club, it needs to be this Saturday against Arsenal. He offers absolutely nothing to the team, to the club, to the fans and if he played for any other team, we'd be laughing our bollocks off and ridiculing him for what he is, an overpaid slob. Sorry, but I just don't like his attitude and how the club can support an attitude like that, I don't know. Furthermore, we don't owe him jack, and whether he beats Sir Bobbys record or not, he will never be as good or as classy.
Previous generation footballers would get destroyed by modern ultra fit teams. Could you even imagine a side from the 80's trying to play vs the press of a Barca/Bayern?
Humans evolve over time though. The current Barca/Bayern sides will not beat the next Barca/Bayern team in 2036.
The current Barca team is already unfitter than the Barca team from 2008-12.
I would argue that AC Milan from the early 90's would completely destroy modern 'ultra-fit' teams.
The overall fitness of teams has of course improved, but at the highest level.. elite teams from the past .. for example if you look at the 1958 Brazil side, they went under a very very strict fitness regime which would shame many top teams today.
You can't be telling me that Juan Mata is more 'ultra-fit' than a Frank Rijkaard or Ruud Gullit.
It comes down to context, there will be exceptions and this belief that football is constantly progressing is not true at all.. especially when you see Wayne Rooney still somehow managing to keep a career at the top level going.
So to prove your point you choose a random footballer from now and compare him to random footballers from the early 90s. I’ll try that, too. Cristiano Ronaldo is fitter than Brolin, Molby, Southall, Ruddock and Bosnich were. Wait, that didn’t prove anything.
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