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He'll play his 10-20 minutes.I think he'll play v Liverpool in a 3-5-2 after having 2 weeks off.
A lot of fans expecting a 3 man midfield but it seems to me Jose has evolved past that
Yeah, I think it's much more likely he comes off the bench and then starts against Benfica in the CL.He'll play his 10-20 minutes.
Look guys, I'm beginning to figure this thing out. Martial MAY come on only if we are losing and Jose is throwing in the kitchen sink, he won't come on if we're narrowly winning or drawing, as Jose has decided this messes up his defensive masterplan. If we're winning its more defenders and Lingard as subs, if we are drawing its defenders + hoof to Fellaini. When it comes to these big games, you should know by now that our manager is more in interested in not losing than winningHe'll play his 10-20 minutes.
Do you really believe that? Id bet my house that he is not happy with his current situation.He's happy at the club. He's playing well, there's not really anything to worry about.
Don't. You'll lose your house.Do you really believe that? Id bet my house that he is not happy with his current situation.
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Give one evidence that suggests he's not happy here ?Sure
Not what you asked for but one evidence that he is quietly content at the moment is that I've never seen him so focused in United colours before. Clearly I wouldn't expect him to be overjoyed but he clearly knows he has a big role at the club.Give one evidence that suggests he's not happy here ?
These are not my words, these are the manager's words. He's happy at the club, he's smiling, he's playing well and getting along well with everyone. When Martial's got something going on people are quick to judge his body language and sulking but he's not doing that so people are clutching onto straws saying he's unhappy.Do you really believe that? Id bet my house that he is not happy with his current situation.
Well my point is I don't know why we're trying to force him to be unhappy while everything prove the contrary.Not what you asked for but one evidence that he is quietly content at the moment is that I've never seen him so focused in United colours before. Clearly I wouldn't expect him to be overjoyed but he clearly knows he has a big role at the club.
I'm not fully sure but there are a few people who aren't overly happy with Mourinho and Martial seems to be the best stick to beat him with.Well my point is I don't know why we're trying to force him to be unhappy while everything prove the contrary.
He was joking with some necklaces today before entering the game, wasn't he ?
In the position he is in, he can do two things. Try to make the best out of his situation or sulk and look for a move out in January. Lucky for us he has so far decided to make the best out of his situation. I suspect it has a lot to do with his want to go to the world cup too but thats just a guess.Not what you asked for but one evidence that he is quietly content at the moment is that I've never seen him so focused in United colours before. Clearly I wouldn't expect him to be overjoyed but he clearly knows he has a big role at the club.
Give one evidence that suggests he's not happy here ?
I doubt any top level athlete would be happy not to be playing as much as physically possible. He is not a teenager and a boyhood United fan like most of us are.These are not my words, these are the manager's words. He's happy at the club and getting along well with everyone. Mourinho keeps mentioning this is a special group yet people are trying to turn everyone against each other.
Can you notice that on him while playing ? that he's frustrated, uninterested or mad at being on the bench or some games ? or it's the opposite, that he plays with full confidence, very focused, looked happy when he plays ?I doubt any top level athlete would be happy not to be playing as much as physically possible. He is not a teenager and a boyhood United fan like most of us are.
Last season yes, you could see him getting frustrated on the pitch and go into his shell.Can you notice that on him while playing ? that he's frustrated, uninterested or mad at being on the bench or some games ? or it's the opposite, that he plays with full confidence, very focused, looked happy when he plays ?
There was a point in the game when de gea launched the ball to mata on the right wing and the counter attack was on with space to delve into... alas our Spanish maestro just turned around and passed backwards killing off a potential goal scoring chance and I thought what if rashford was there?You're just going to great lengths to make excuses for a manager having a mare, Mata can play through the middle and I bet he prefers it so. With Rashford and Martial flanking Lukaku we could actually look dangerous moreso if our AM isn't falling over or turning over possession at every other move.
Spot on.Last season yes, you could see him getting frustrated on the pitch and go into his shell.
Definitely not this season. He looks hungry whenever he's on the pitch. He genuinely seems happy, it's more his fans that are unhappy.
He is probably content for now. I think you have been very determined, in trying to make this same point over and over, to twist the words of many. He may well be happy now, most posters have envisioned, by sheer logic, that he will not REMAIN happy if his situation remains the same. The situation being he starts one game then sits out the next as a rule. What if we play a big European game, and then Liverpool or City in the next? He will surely not be 'happy' to not start the game, simply because it isn't 'his turn'. Especially if he happened to put in an excellent performance in his last start.Can you notice that on him while playing ? that he's frustrated, uninterested or mad at being on the bench or some games ? or it's the opposite, that he plays with full confidence, very focused, looked happy when he plays ?
He will, we will feel so lucky during the Christmas congestion having Martial and Rashford available.He's been superb.
He simply has to START in the Prem consistently imo.
I remember that very same instance, found it a bit frustrating. Over time, any decent team will know to just shut down our left winger to kill the counter too. They will be happy for Mata to have it there.There was a point in the game when de gea launched the ball to mata on the right wing and the counter attack was on with space to delve into... alas our Spanish maestro just turned around and passed backwards killing off a potential goal scoring chance and I thought what if rashford was there?
I know mata has his qualities but this rotation should be between himself and michy for the no10 spot as they are not producing the goods regularly enough compared to these two young ones yet they get a free pass like they are not held to the same standard
Jose is a very stubborn man and I doubt he'll change his ways especially when the results keep pouring in but sometimes you just wonder to yourself, "what if...? "
That is a time when rotation makes sense though. Those two won't be the only rotated during that period.He will, we will feel so lucky during the Christmas congestion having Martial and Rashford available.
I love Martial but Rashford has 5 goals 4 assists in 10 games. It's easy to see why he's starting. Both players are getting games and cameo's which will hopefully keep them fresh for the season. It's easy to see what Jose is thinking IMO.That is a time when rotation makes sense though. Those two won't be the only rotated during that period.
He's had double the time to be fair. Both need games though, and I'm happy for Rashford to feature - just that it makes no sense for him to be ahead of Martial in any hierarchy.I love Martial but Rashford has 5 goals 4 assists in 10 games. It's easy to see why he's starting. Both players are getting games and cameo's which will hopefully keep them fresh for the season. It's easy to see what Jose is thinking IMO.
All your post is talking about what will happen, what will happen next, what will happen next. I didn't know you can read the future tbh.He is probably content for now. I think you have been very determined, in trying to make this same point over and over, to twist the words of many. He may well be happy now, most posters have envisioned, by sheer logic, that he will not REMAIN happy if his situation remains the same. The situation being he starts one game then sits out the next as a rule. What if we play a big European game, and then Liverpool or City in the next? He will surely not be 'happy' to not start the game, simply because it isn't 'his turn'. Especially if he happened to put in an excellent performance in his last start.
The situation seems fine for now, but it is obviously not tenable in the longer term. If Martial and Rashford are to become the players we want them to, neither are substitute level players. You don't have £100m players in their prime on the bench. And we shouldn't want that either.
Well Martial started away in Russia which was meant to be a much harder game than today and scored a penalty, while Rashford broke Palace in under 3 minutes to open the floodgates. I'm sorry but anyone who is criticising Jose's handling of these two is just bonkers IMO. We keep winning and they're both getting plenty of minutes.He's had double the time to be fair. Both need games though, and I'm happy for Rashford to feature - just that it makes no sense for him to be ahead of Martial in any hierarchy.
I agree I think that will be the plan eventually going forward, especially given the two with Lukaku are putting in huge effort to train together after normal hours.Maybe the team will evolve as seasons pass where both play. For now Mourinho prefers Mata on the right. It could even change this season depending on injuries and form. Martial is getting games and he looks happy. He's fine.
Yes, it is about what may happen, which is the point people have been making. It is a prediction, which you have been trying to dismiss with 'didn't he look happy today?'comments, which bare no relevance at all to the actual point.All your post is talking about what will happen, what will happen next, what will happen next. I didn't know you can read the future tbh.
I only say what I'm seeing in the present. Forcing the player to be unhappy or " will " be unhappy later is a lame way to prove a point that doesn't even exist to be fair with you.
Mourinho is also going off last season and what happens in training. He has said Martial is reacting better, showing better body language etc. I mean, I don't think Mourinho had CSKA away as such an easy game, and Martial started that. It's a long season and both Rashford and Martial are getting games and are in form. I think Mourinho is handling them well.I also doubt this 'rotation' was planned by Jose anyway. He gave Martial just one start during the whole of the pre-season tour. He then left him on the bench for the first two games. There was no 'one game each' in his thinking. He's had to concede due to Martial coming off the bench and performing so well, although I doubt that was how it was planned or expected.
Now he's getting credit for 'managing them both so well', but it's evident to me that he didn't have the current plan for Martial at the beginning of the season. You could say that it was down to Martial to react and change his mind, but I think for such a talent, he should have made more of a plan from the start to develop him just as much as Rashford. There's no way he could have anticipated Martial scoring and creating goals in 10 minute spells, and if he didn't, the likelihood is the starts would have been more lopsided.
We don't read the future, so talking about things that "may" or "may not" happen can't be considered a base of a proper discussion based on evidence.Yes, it is about what may happen, which is the point people have been making. It is a prediction, which you have been trying to dismiss with 'didn't he look happy today?'comments, which bare no relevance at all to the actual point.
If we're speaking comparatively, then Martial 'broke CSKA' in about 3 minutes too, seeing as we're talking of assists.Well Martial started away in Russia which was meant to be a much harder game than today and scored a penalty, while Rashford broke Palace in under 3 minutes to open the floodgates. I'm sorry but anyone who is criticising Jose's handling of these two is just bonkers IMO. We keep winning and they're both getting plenty of minutes.
If we'd have started Martial and he came off injured people would have moaned like feck.
Possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on here.We don't read the future, so talking about things that "may" or "may not" happen can't be considered a base of a proper discussion based on evidence.
Yea, it's not that bad at the moment. My concern is that it is unsustainable in the long run. We're not talking Jesse Lingard here. Both players will want and expect to play weekly soon.Mourinho is also going off last season and what happens in training. He has said Martial is reacting better, showing better body language etc. I mean, I don't think Mourinho had CSKA away as such an easy game, and Martial started that. It's a long season and both Rashford and Martial are getting games and are in form. I think Mourinho is handling them well.
Not more ridiculous than forcing a player to become unhappy to prove your point.Possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on here.
Are you just ignoring what he said? He isn't forcing anyone to become unhappy. It's just common sense that eventually, if he keeps this up, Martial isn't going to be fond of this "rotation".Not more ridiculous than forcing a player to become unhappy to prove your point.
