Ryan Giggs | Interviewed for Wales job

[Member 90887]

Don't think you could've sounded more clueless if you tried

Well go ahead, instead of attacking the poster, debunk the argument. Or is this how discussions work in your book?

What did Dyche do, to deserve a shot at Everton?

I'm not saying Giggs is more deserving than him, I'm asking what dyche did, at burnley, that make him the favorite for the Everton job? Give your argument.

 

[Castia]

So if we believe that story about him failing his Swansea interview, we are supposed to just write him off totally from further possible interviews??

Have you never had one poor interview for a job before, but done well in others?

I don't really think too much weight should be put onto him having supposedly one poor interview.

Also as for starting from the bottom, remind me again at what stage the current England head coach started from?

Southgate? He got the Boro job and got them relegated....they also looked shite in the Championship before he was fired. He was out of the management game for 4 years before he got the u21’s job.....he’s one of the worst managers around feck knows how he’s England manager honestly.

The shite he’s serving up with England at the moment looks worse than McClaren and that useless cnut from Palace, he’s getting sacked when England go out the group stages of next years World Cup.


You’re trying to use Southgate as a positive

 

[Cheesy]

Well go ahead, instead of attacking the poster, debunk the argument.

What did Dyche do, to deserve a shot at Everton?

I'm not saying Giggs is more deserving than him, I'm asking what dyche did, at burnley, that make him the favorite for the Everton job? Give your argument.

Gotten Burnley promoted and kept them up? Pretty decent achievement.

 

[el3mel]

Sean dyche is the favorite for Everton.

And people are criticizing Giggs in here!

What did Dyche show to be the favorite for the Everton job?

Well at least Dyche is a current manager. That's on its own more achievement than what Giggs had done in his post-player career so far.

 

[Member 90887]

Gotten Burnley promoted and kept them up? Pretty decent achievement.

So that's an enough achievement to deserve a shot at Everton.

Pearson should have a shot as well, Eddie Howe who many have bashed here should also have a shot, Tony pullis right?

I'm just saying that when you see the current options, Dyche ffs. Taking a risk with someone who worked with sir Alex and Van Gaal isn't as ridiculous as some people here are making it to be.

We have examples that worked. Zidane, Pep ? How can you, dismiss Giggs like that?

I have a serious question for people dismissing Giggs without any valid argument, when the rumours started about pep to fcb and Zidane to Madrid, were you laughing and dismissing them ?

 

[Cheesy]

So that's an enough achievement to deserve a shot at Everton.

Pearson should have a shot as well, Eddie Howe who many have bashed here should also have a shot, Tony pullis right?

I'm just saying that when you see the current options, Dyche ffs. Taking a risk with someone who worked with sir Alex and Van Gaal isn't as ridiculous as some people here are making it to be.

We have examples that worked. Zidane, Pep ? How can you, dismiss Giggs like that?

I have a serious question for people dismissing Giggs without any valid argument, when the rumours started about pep to fcb and Zidane to Madrid, were you laughing and dismissing them ?

At the moment they're ailing in the relegation zone having wasted a ton of money over the summer. At best they tend to be an upper mid-table side. Along with Howe/Pulis etc, Dyche's probably about as good as they're going to get right now.

Guardiola and Zidane were different cases. For one, Guardiola was already actively managing the Barca B side; Giggs doesn't really have any such managerial experience. And both Guardiola and Zidane were put into jobs wherein at worst they'd finish 3rd or 4th. Everton might get relegated if they get this appointment wrong. Plus there's the fact that for every Guardiola or Zidane, there are plenty of former players like Neville who flop in their first big job. I have no qualms against Giggs getting a PL job if someone wants to offer him one, but there's little to suggest he's going to make a particularly good or remarkable manager. I can understand why Everton might want to play it safe.

 

[RedRom]

Another one is Simeone, he didn't start at the bottom on Argentina and well his way up, he got a good job, and from there look where he is now, and how he is regarded.

Why couldn't Giggs tread a similar path?

 

[luke511]

Well go ahead, instead of attacking the poster, debunk the argument. Or is this how discussions work in your book?

What did Dyche do, to deserve a shot at Everton?

I'm not saying Giggs is more deserving than him, I'm asking what dyche did, at burnley, that make him the favorite for the Everton job? Give your argument.

Sean Dyche is to Burnley what Alex Ferguson is to Man Utd.. He's laid all foundations within Burnley and transformed them from a nothing team with no resources into something all lower league teams should aspire to. He's given them a very strong identity, which down to his tactics and who he wants playing for his team. This year Burnley have placed in the top 10 most profitable clubs in Europe, down to his shrewd transfers and well managed squad. And they're currently above Liverpool 9 games into the Premier League season. What more can a manager do? In my opinion Everton isn't a big enough job for him to give up all his hard work at Burnley.

 

[RedRom]

I wouldn't mind seeing some f the Class of 92 as managers, but I just wonder if they do, what would happen if they drew Salford in the FA Cup?

Could they be allowed to be an owner of one club, and a manager of another in the same match?!

Would they be forced to sell up if they were to be appointed as a manager?

Any help regarding this point please?

 

[SER19]

Anybody criticising is pretty harsh, he explicitly says championship and league one also, and that the philosophy is more important than stature. Some just can't dissociate themselves from a dislike harboured during moyes and van gaal reigns. He is perfectly entitled to throw his name in the hat

 

[SER19]

Right, so none. Thanks.

Isn't gillingham the only available position in league one?

 

[MThomas]

Another one is Simeone, he didn't start at the bottom on Argentina and well his way up, he got a good job, and from there look where he is now, and how he is regarded.

Why couldn't Giggs tread a similar path?

Why couldn't i tread a similar path, or you

 

[haram]

Another one is Simeone, he didn't start at the bottom on Argentina and well his way up, he got a good job, and from there look where he is now, and how he is regarded.

Why couldn't Giggs tread a similar path?

He could. No one wants him though. He should take the hint.

 

[Fido]

His best chance is to work as a manager at a relegation threatened club to make sure he gets noticed ala Marco Silva. If you are good, you are going to be noticed regardless of where you manage.
Before Marco Silva's appointment, Hull were playing mediocre football and their hopes were dying. But Silva's work shows that even a badly maintained club can turn it around if the correct manager is appointed. He should simply take the next opportunity that comes his way otherwise nobody will ever give him a chance.

 

[roonster09]

Anybody criticising is pretty harsh, he explicitly says championship and league one also, and that the philosophy is more important than stature. Some just can't dissociate themselves from a dislike harboured during moyes and van gaal reigns. He is perfectly entitled to throw his name in the hat

It's mental. Any clubs fans hate their legends like Manutd fans? Some of them didn't even read his interview before spouting bs.

Also is there a rule that any aspiring manager should work his way up from lower league? It's clearly FM journeyman save nonsense, some can't differentiate between simulator game and real life. Same was spouted for Pep too, that he should prove himself at smaller club.

Also if you check the current PL managers, all these managers got their first job in top league rather than working their way up from lower league.
Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino and these are just from this season PL managers. They also worked as coaches/assistant managers just like Giggs did.

I don't think Giggs will get PL job but some of the posts and nonsense posted is fecking mental, it's as if Giggs is applying for CEO job at Apple.

Giggs clearly mentioned stature of the club doesn't matter but it's about philosophy, so for all we know even in lower league he is waiting for the right clubs instead of making mess like Neville did.

 

[SER19]

It's mental. Any clubs fans hate their legends like Manutd fans? Some of them didn't even read his interview before spouting bs.

Also is there a rule that any aspiring manager should work his way up from lower league? It's clearly FM journeyman save nonsense, some can't differentiate between simulator game and real life. Same was spouted for Pep too, that he should prove himself at smaller club.

Also if you check the current PL managers, all these managers got their first job in top league rather than working their way up from lower league.
Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino and these are just from this season PL managers. They also worked as coaches/assistant managers just like Giggs did.

I don't think Giggs will get PL job but some of the posts and nonsense posted is fecking mental, it's as if Giggs is applying for CEO job at Apple.

Giggs clearly mentioned stature of the club doesn't matter but it's about philosophy, so for all we know even in lower league he is waiting for the right clubs instead of making mess like Neville did.

I don't understand it, there's a very venomous attitude towards him every single time a manager is sacked as if we know for a fact he deems himself above any job lower than the premier league. We have no evidence of this and as I said of course he can say he's interested in a job. It's not like he's come out and said he's the top candidate.

He worked for his badges throughout his career, he worked as an assistant and has been passed over for a job or two I'm sure. Im not sure what people want- so many strong opinions based on a speculative character of the man that has largely been formed on this forum. Some people get so angry, border line outraged at him being mentioned for a job its clearly based on something else. Maybe he'd be rubbish, maybe he'd be good. But he's allowed to express an interest in anything he wants, he's not working with a club so there's no issue

 

[roonster09]

I don't understand it, there's a very venomous attitude towards him every single time a manager is sacked as if we know for a fact he deems himself above any job lower than the premier league. We have no evidence of this and as I said of course he can say he's interested in a job. It's not like he's come out and said he's the top candidate.

He worked for his badges throughout his career, he worked as an assistant and has been passed over for a job or two I'm sure. Im not sure what people want- so many strong opinions based on a speculative character of the man that has largely been formed on this forum. Some people get so angry, border line outraged at him being mentioned for a job its clearly based on something else. Maybe he'd be rubbish, maybe he'd be good. But he's allowed to express an interest in anything he wants, he's not working with a club so there's no issue

Exactly. He isn't playing for Manutd, he isn't in any coaching role for ManUtd, he has left the club year ago but still people are outraged when he is linked with any job.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Giggsy should have been more humble and took the U21 or U23 job at United. He should have done his class at a lower level rather than doing nothing now.

He could have worked his basics again but as a starter in his club where all the young lads would have idolised him.

Zidane and Guardiola are the perfect example of that. Not meaning that Giggsy would be as successful as them, but having working for two years in your club, staying around, and having the faith from the club, staff and first team players, because you're Giggs at United means so much.

Hope that Nicky Butt will convince him and Giggs will do something like this for his own sake

 

[LoneStar]

I hope that he starts his career somewhere and becomes a good manager. Would love it if he managed United one day.

 

[roonster09]

Giggsy should have been more humble and took the U21 or U23 job at United. He should have done his class at a lower level rather than doing nothing now.

He could have worked his basics again but as a starter in his club where all the young lads would have idolised him.

Zidane and Guardiola are the perfect example of that. Not meaning that Giggsy would be as successful as them, but having working for two years in your club, staying around, and having the faith from the club, staff and first team players, because you're Giggs at United means so much.

Hope that Nicky Butt will convince him and Giggs will do something like this for his own sake

He was Assistant manager under Van Gaal, so whatever role was offered was clearly going backwards from his point of view. With benefit of hindsight he should have taken reserves coach role.

Also comparison with Zidane and Pep is not correct as Madrid B and Barca B plays in actual league, not U23 leagues where gap between games might be months.

 

[Axkiko]

Leicester should be a perfect job for Giggsy to start his manager career. Traditional 4-4-2, lesser pressure than Everton, mid-table expectation.

Everton squad is broken and really tough for anyone to overcome it until January. No good striker, no good winger, no good full back, and only one good center back. How on earth can anyone fix that unbalanced squad.

 

[Pacificgi]

If he went to Everton, Rooney would end up starting every game. Id agree that he should start off managing in the lower leagues - less pressure on him. Hes putting his neck on the line constantly only looking at premier league jobs so if he gets one and messes it up it'll be quite some before he gets that chance again so he would end up having to go in the lower leagues anyway, or Valencia

 

[MoskvaRed]

Leicester should be a perfect job for Giggsy to start his manager career. Traditional 4-4-2, lesser pressure than Everton, mid-table expectation.

Everton squad is broken and really tough for anyone to overcome it until January. No good striker, no good winger, no good full back, and only one good center back. How on earth can anyone fix that unbalanced squad.

Leicester risk relegation if they get this appointment wrong. Seeing how ruthless they were with Ranieri last season, I can't imagine they will gamble on a rookie.

 

[ThomasEmil]

Think he should be training Arsenal with Neville

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

If he went to Everton, Rooney would end up starting every game.

Rightfully so at present, he’s bizarrly looking like their best player.

 

[jojojo]

We have examples that worked. Zidane, Pep ? How can you, dismiss Giggs like that?

Those examples are more complex than you suggest. Pep did get his Barca B team promoted from Liga 2B to Liga 2, and had a huge impact on the mood of the Barca academy players in the process. He'd also spent a couple of years away from the club, part of which was him seeking out the chance to work with coaches he respects.

Zidane's route was less impressive in terms of getting his team promoted, but he still did 18 months in charge of Madrid's B team in Liga 2B. He also worked with Mourinho in the season they won La Liga, and Ancelotti when they won the CL.

Most importantly, with both of them, they knew the score and so did everyone else. If either had underperformed in their first six months, they'd have been sacked. No hard feelings. Moreover, particularly in Zidane's case, they took over ready made squads.

The more relevant comparison is why don't United fans generally want United players who are/were managers. Where's the dream of using Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Stam, Neville etc? They've never had the chance to run a big club like United either.

On the more general Giggs thing, from the interview. If he's ready to manage, then I hope he can find a club to suit him. It's the right time, if he leaves it too much longer then I think he'll never make the move. He's already not that young by first manager job standards.

 

[shayanr]

I admire the ambitions of Giggs. There is nothing wrong in stating that he is interested in those jobs. Perhaps it might come off as overly ambitious, but i can see what he meant.

Judging by his comments, Giggs is looking for a managerial position that would allow him to create a positive change within the club both on field and off. Much like how SAF did when he arrived at United. And he is biding his time because he wants a Owner/Chairman that is on the same wavelength as he is and trust that he will do a good job.

But the problem lies with his inexperience; 0 experience at the moment and thus not many clubs or none are able to trust and give him the backing he needs. It is way too risky and most clubs will just choose the safer bet.

That is where the criticism comes. Giggs shouldve at least got a job in the first place to prove his managerial abilities. If he had done that, he'd atleast have something to back his claim. But he has none now because he's too busy doing punditry on tv. Smh.

Regardless, he should follow the progress of clubs like Nottingham Forest or Aston Villa etc, whom has had new owners recently that have the ambition/passion and are ready to invest on their respective clubs. They will be looking for a new manager if Bruce or Warburton fails in their respective jobs. That could be his big break.

 

[Member 90887]

Those examples are more complex than you suggest. Pep did get his Barca B team promoted from Liga 2B to Liga 2, and had a huge impact on the mood of the Barca academy players in the process. He'd also spent a couple of years away from the club, part of which was him seeking out the chance to work with coaches he respects.

Zidane's route was less impressive in terms of getting his team promoted, but he still did 18 months in charge of Madrid's B team in Liga 2B. He also worked with Mourinho in the season they won La Liga, and Ancelotti when they won the CL.

Most importantly, with both of them, they knew the score and so did everyone else. If either had underperformed in their first six months, they'd have been sacked. No hard feelings. Moreover, particularly in Zidane's case, they took over ready made squads.

The more relevant comparison is why don't United fans generally want United players who are/were managers. Where's the dream of using Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Stam, Neville etc? They've never had the chance to run a big club like United either.

On the more general Giggs thing, from the interview. If he's ready to manage, then I hope he can find a club to suit him. It's the right time, if he leaves it too much longer then I think he'll never make the move. He's already not that young by first manager job standards.

I do agree about the fact that it was a different case with pep. With Zidane however, he himself deemed his work with the real Madrid castilla as not good.

The point about working with good managers well, Giggs saw the great man working for two decades, you can't have a better manager to learn from, and Van gaal is also a great manager, even if he didn't do that well with us.

And there's another thing to keep in mind. They got barça and Madrid, so it is kind of relevant to compare the situations as here, we are talking about Everton and Leicester for Giggs. A mid table team at best, and a relegation candidate. People are slatting him for wanting one of those teams.

I'm not saying that he deserve a shot managing them, I am saying that there's no reason to say that he doesn't deserve to be given the job when you know that it happened with other players before. If the reasons people give are he didn't manage at the top level, he didn't do anything in the four games he managed us , he's sitting on his arse, doing nothing, he doesn't want to manage in the championship when he said explicitly that he is looking for a project and that he doesn't care about the league. Well, for me that's not reasonable.

 

[Sky1981]

It's mental. Any clubs fans hate their legends like Manutd fans? Some of them didn't even read his interview before spouting bs.

Also is there a rule that any aspiring manager should work his way up from lower league? It's clearly FM journeyman save nonsense, some can't differentiate between simulator game and real life. Same was spouted for Pep too, that he should prove himself at smaller club.

Also if you check the current PL managers, all these managers got their first job in top league rather than working their way up from lower league.
Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino and these are just from this season PL managers. They also worked as coaches/assistant managers just like Giggs did.

I don't think Giggs will get PL job but some of the posts and nonsense posted is fecking mental, it's as if Giggs is applying for CEO job at Apple.

Giggs clearly mentioned stature of the club doesn't matter but it's about philosophy, so for all we know even in lower league he is waiting for the right clubs instead of making mess like Neville did.

What a load of rubbish

 

[roonster09]

What a load of rubbish

I have mentioned few names, learn to read.

 

[VP89]

I'd actually really like to see Giggs in the Leicester or Everton hot seat. I reckon the foreign owners of Leicester particularly will warm to him as a brand. Would be a fair test for him, and I have a sneaky feeling he may just surprise us.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

He'd do better with Leicester than Everton. Leicester atleast have some semblance of pace and wing play which he likes.

 

[Tincanalley]

There is a thing called stage presence. You know it when you see it. It's about authority, the ability to insipire confidence in suppporters and players, fear in oppos. I guess it can be developed in people with maturity, but largely I would imagine its inherited. Does the current British Prime Minister have it? Ok. Giggs? ??

But fair play to him for having ambition. I liked him as a player.

 

[Sky1981]

I have mentioned few names, learn to read.

Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino

Yeah right.

Hughes : Hughes was appointed as head coach of the Wales national team in 1999.[21] Initially appointed on a temporary basis alongside Neville Southall to replace Bobby Gould, Hughes had soon done enough to earn himself a long-term contract

Pellegrino : After retiring in June 2006, Pellegrino stayed connected with Valencia, coaching its Cadete-B (youth team). Two years later he decided to return to Liverpool, who still had Benítez in charge, as first-team coach,[12] a position in which he remained until the middle of 2010 as the pair moved to Inter Milan.[13]

Pochetinno : In late January 2009, Pochettino became Espanyol's third coach in 2008–09, with the team third from bottom of the table

 

[roonster09]

Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino

Yeah right.

Hughes : Hughes was appointed as head coach of the Wales national team in 1999.[21] Initially appointed on a temporary basis alongside Neville Southall to replace Bobby Gould, Hughes had soon done enough to earn himself a long-term contract

Pellegrino : After retiring in June 2006, Pellegrino stayed connected with Valencia, coaching its Cadete-B (youth team). Two years later he decided to return to Liverpool, who still had Benítez in charge, as first-team coach,[12] a position in which he remained until the middle of 2010 as the pair moved to Inter Milan.[13]

Pochetinno : In late January 2009, Pochettino became Espanyol's third coach in 2008–09, with the team third from bottom of the table

Hughes first club team was in Premier league.
Pellegrino's first team was again in La Liga
Pochettino's first team was in La Liga.

None of them worked their way up from lower league which was the point I made.

Also,

Also if you check the current PL managers, all these managers got their first job in top league rather than working their way up from lower league.
Wenger, Hughton, Jose Mourinho, Pellegrino, Mark Hughes, Pochettino and these are just from this season PL managers. They also worked as coaches/assistant managers just like Giggs did.

So not sure which part is so hard to understand.

 

[Sky1981]

Hughes first club team was in Premier league.
Pellegrino's first team was again in La Liga
Pochettino's first team was in La Liga.

Also,


So not sure which part is so hard to understand.

Also if you check the current PL managers, all these managers got their first job in top league rather than working their way up from lower league

So according to you coaching in National Team, B youth team, Being a translator to Bobby Robson, managing a Japanese team, managing Leiva to 4th position is the same with managing 4 games as caretaker.

Okay.

 

[SER19]

There is a thing called stage presence. You know it when you see it. It's about authority, the ability to insipire confidence in suppporters and players, fear in oppos. I guess it can be developed in people with maturity, but largely I would imagine its inherited. Does the current British Prime Minister have it? Ok. Giggs? ??

But fair play to him for having ambition. I liked him as a player.

Does Roy hodgson? Gareth Southgate? Claude puel? Gary monk? Chris hughton? Tony Mowbray? Harry kewell? Jimmy hasselbaink? David unsworth? Many more football league managers I can't think of off the top of my head

On the flip side, does Roy Keane? I would argue he does.


I do see your point but I think in the football world when Ryan giggs walks into your changing room, especially if you don't have many medals to rub together between the squad, then there'll be more than a bit of presence. I do see see your point, but wouldn't overstate it.

 

[Sky1981]

The last few pages of this thread have been a disgrace. I don't know what's happening to people around here these last few weeks.

Even if he wanted the Everton/Leicester kind of job, which he didn't. The people that know actually how to read are aware of that. We should root for him and hope that he does well if he ever got a job like that.

Pep didn't have to prove himself, Zidane didn't. They got a chance at Madrid and Barcelona. Why shouldn't he get a chance at effing Everton or Leicester!

I Read someone saying he didn't show anything in the 4 games he was caretaker in the moyes year, are you listening to yourself mate?

It's really crazy.

Do you honestly read their journey before getting their first big job?

 

[roonster09]

So according to you coaching in National Team, B youth team, Being a translator to Bobby Robson, managing a Japanese team, managing Leiva to 4th position is the same with managing 4 games as caretaker.

Okay.

I have mentioned in the very same post that these managers worked as youth coaches/assistant managers just like Giggs did.

Being translator to Bobby Robson is such a great word on Jose's CV isn't it?

You should attribute which coach you are talking about when you post managed Japanese team or managed some team to 4th position, will be easier to address.

 

[devilish]

Hughes first club team was in Premier league.
Pellegrino's first team was again in La Liga
Pochettino's first team was in La Liga.

None of them worked their way up from lower league which was the point I made.

Also,


So not sure which part is so hard to understand.

The situation is what it is. The EPL is filthy rich and therefore the EPL clubs can afford to bring in someone with more experience then some rookie. If Giggs is truly serious about this managerial role then he must either go to the Championship or move to another league.