Seeing as Lamela's arm can't be offside then if his knee is offside then it's so marginal that the fact that the line isn't drawn straight probably means he is onside.It's an offside so marginal that it's completely unreasonable to expect a linesman to spot it.
If you're complaining about that, you're complaining just to complain.
Also, I'm pretty sure Lovren is holding him. I'm pretty sure holding in the box is a penalty, even if the player being held is offside. So if you really want to get technical about it, a pen should have been called long before van Dijk booted Lamela.
Of course, calling a pen for that would have been dumb, just like your (and others) whinging about Lamela being an inch offside.
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That "offside" falls under the benefit of doubt to the attacker unwritten rule.
It's centimetres and there is a Liverpool player directly blocking the linesman's line of sight.
It's centimetres and there is a Liverpool player directly blocking the linesman's line of sight.
Has Klopp mentioned our offside goal yet?
Offside is offside.It's an offside so marginal that it's completely unreasonable to expect a linesman to spot it.
If you're complaining about that, you're complaining just to complain.
Also, I'm pretty sure Lovren is holding him. I'm pretty sure holding in the box is a penalty, even if the player being held is offside. So if you really want to get technical about it, a pen should have been called long before van Dijk booted Lamela.
Of course, calling a pen for that would have been dumb, just like your (and others) whinging about Lamela being an inch offside.
Never change Liverpool fans, never change
Yeah, one defenders is holding Lamela too, clear penalty for that one.
Don't agree. So what you are effectively saying is that if there is ANY contact its a penalty?! Like I said earlier, you would have got laughed off the park yesteryear. Such a shame that most others agree with your point of view. Anyway, I won't change my opinion as I suspect you won't change yours. If you, and others, can watch stuff like that and not feel any sense of disgust, then I fear that the game has now become nothing more than a stage for the benefit of the third rate actors to inflict their "craft" on the gullible public. Here's a question...can you imagine players of the calibre of Duncan Edwards, Bobby Charlton, George Best, Nobby Stiles and others of that ilk acting like that? My last word on the subject.
Apart from when Son was clear through, Van Dijk played him on. Karius made a good save. Alli also had a good chance.
The ebb and flow of the game had swung massively in Spurs favour and it felt only a matter of time before they scored.
Oh dear
What an idiotic post. Football has evolved a lot since the past century, you might wanna remember this now.
It maybe but can you honestly blame the ref for not spotting it ? At real speed, it's impossible
Who?
Except he's not offside. You can't play football with your arms and the Liverpool defender has his leg closer to the goal.
I am actually enjoying this meltdown, everyone arguing over offsides and penalties. It's fun, especially when it happened to Liverpool.
Lamela's left foot is offside. Not sure where you're looking.
The whole topic is boring now. Hopefully VAR will remove this kind of controversy in future.
Do you disagree?
FFS!
I don't, as it happens, but to argue about it to the extent you all are - and expect officials to notice somebody being offside by mere inches during a frantic phase of play - is completely absurd.
The only poor decision in this whole mess was the one by your (very) expensive centre-back to boot Lamela two feet into the air. Lamela himself, Moss, his officials etc. are all blameless as far as I'm concerned in the context of everything we've seen.
Liverpool fans just can’t help themselves. Always blaming someone when in reality they’re just rubbish.
It’s not the referees fault you haven’t won the league in 30 years. Maybe they should sign better players and get a better manager.
It’s not the referees fault you haven’t won the league in 30 years. Maybe they should sign better players and get a better manager.
I've only posted a couple times about it - just calling what my eyes are telling me.
Not really apportioning blame to Moss or the linesman - it was borderline, but just another example of how technology could be effective.
From a neutral perspective, both penalties are a little dubious. In the first one, the referee didn’t see whether Lovren touched the ball, as in his conversation with the linesman. The benefit of the doubt should have gone to Liverpool in my view, as it was clear Kane was standing in an offside position. I am also not convinced the linesman interpreted the offside rule correctly here.
The 2nd one was clearly contact, but Lamela clearly jumps between VVD, and was clearly looking for it. Could have gone either way, but I don’t like seeing soft penalties in dying minutes of the game, as more often than not, it is usually a desperate play by the attacker. Referees should be wiser to these. Football games are very close, and really shouldn’t be decided on such marginal decisions in the dying seconds of a games.
The 2nd one was clearly contact, but Lamela clearly jumps between VVD, and was clearly looking for it. Could have gone either way, but I don’t like seeing soft penalties in dying minutes of the game, as more often than not, it is usually a desperate play by the attacker. Referees should be wiser to these. Football games are very close, and really shouldn’t be decided on such marginal decisions in the dying seconds of a games.
Your main contribution to these threads is posting diatribe like this. Feel sorry for you if you are an adult.
The guy who knocked Liverpool off their perch. Remember him?
You surely can't genuinely believe this?
He's what, 6 yards out from goal? He's quite clearly shielding the ball from van Dijk while trying to turn himself toward the goal. If van Dijk doesn't boot him in the back of the leg, Lamela has a decent view of goal, and is in a great position to either fire a shot away or drill it across the 6 yard box. Absolute nonsense to claim he's just jumped into the contact, as if the ball's not sat right in front of him.
I've seen enough memes now to suggest we need a Photoshop the klopp thread.
I'm not even sure the foot matters for offsides.
It’s all the better if it was offside. The premature ejaculating pricks.
So, is he gonna get charged or what? because other managers have said a lot less and had the book thrown at them. Absolutely disgraceful double standards if the FA let this slide.
This is one situation where it might not. There's an acceptable margin for error on offsides(10 cm or less)
According to Mark Clattenburg, there is no margin of error/benefit given with VAR.
Mark Clattenburg knows what he's talking about? Most cases like that, they simply don't have a still frame that shows whether offside or not with 100% accuracy. Hence the 10 cm margin of error
The bindippers are creating drama again. I just read that there may be investigation into the first penalty (which spurs didnt score on).
fecking idiots, no wonder other people hate these losers. May the foootball God keep them away from the elusive league title for another 26 years
fecking idiots, no wonder other people hate these losers. May the foootball God keep them away from the elusive league title for another 26 years
Any part of the body you can score with, afaik. So only hands and arms can be offside without actually being offside.
I'm not sure of the timeframes usually on the bans but i thought Jose got his last one the next day.
This couldn't be more clear cut so i don't know what the hold up is
Unless I have missed the news he's actually not getting any punishment is he?
I was half joking about 'if this was Mou' but was certain he'd be slapped with a heavy fine.
I was half joking about 'if this was Mou' but was certain he'd be slapped with a heavy fine.
Actually, it doesn't - in such a case the penalty kick has to be retaken regardless of whether the goal's scored or not.
LAW 14 - THE PENALTY KICK
2. OFFENCES AND SANCTIONS
Once the referee has signalled for a penalty kick to be taken, the kick must be taken. If, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
2. OFFENCES AND SANCTIONS
Once the referee has signalled for a penalty kick to be taken, the kick must be taken. If, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
- the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate offends:
- if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts with an indirect free kick
- except for the following when play will be stopped and restarted with an indirect free kick, regardless of whether or not a goal is scored:
- a penalty kick is kicked backwards
- a team-mate of the identified kicker takes the kick; the referee cautions the player who took the kick
- feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker
- the goalkeeper or a team-mate offends:
- if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken; the goalkeeper is cautioned if responsible for the offence
- a player of both teams offends the Laws of the Game, the kick is retaken unless a player commits a more serious offence (e.g. illegal feinting); if both the goalkeeper and kicker commit an offence at the same time:
- if the kick is missed or saved, the kick is retaken and both players cautioned
- if the kick is scored, the goal is disallowed, the kicker is cautioned and play restarts with an indirect free kick to the defending team
LAW 14 - The Penalty Kick
Infringements and sanctions
If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
the player taking the penalty kick infringes the Laws of the Game:
• the kick is retaken
Infringements and sanctions
If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
the player taking the penalty kick infringes the Laws of the Game:
- the referee allows the kick to be taken
- if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and the match is
restarted with an indirect free kick to the defending team from the place where the infringement occurred
the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:
- the referee allows the kick to be taken
- if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken
- the referee allows the kick to be taken
- if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and the match is
restarted with an indirect free kick to the defending team from the place where the infringement occurred
- the referee allows the kick to be taken
- if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
- if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken
• the kick is retaken
Links: The International Football Association Board; FIFA Laws of the Game (page 47)
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I can't be having that Lamela is offside with or without VAR, seriously
He does dive a little bit, having sensed the possibility of being booted up the arse, obviously,
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He does dive a little bit, having sensed the possibility of being booted up the arse, obviously,
.Yeah, me too. It is genuinely unbelievable that the FA would display open favouritism towards one manager, but that really seems to be the case.
If Lallana gets bigger ban it will be a "conspiracy" against Klopp and Liverpool i bet.
His big toe was offside
how was the lino supposed to call that.