Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[padr81]

Doesn’t matter if Madrid win the CL. CL > League. How can Barca consider themselves best in the league/country if another team from their same league/country are crowned best in Europe?

Yes Messi has been better in the league so what? Messi has scored goals against mid table Spanish teams but Ronaldo scores goals in the champions league against the best competition in Europe in every round to carry Madrid.

Rather clear as to which is more valuable and impressive.

How can you consider yourself the best team in Europe when you're not the best in your own league? See thats the kind of whataboutery going on here. Also you are saying IF Real win. Real have won nothing yet with 3 tough games to go, Messi has already won the league.
If Liverpool win the CL are they the best team in England despite finishing 20 points off the top? Are they feck.

How many United fans would say winning the premier league is more important than the CL? shitloads and that's an exact figure.

In Real's main competition this season, Ronnie hasn't turned up. Those same mid table teams you say Messi has scored against, CR7 has been atrocious against them. Are they worse when they play Messi but suddenly amazing vs Ronaldo?

I'd say this season, Ronaldo's failure in La Liga is a far bigger failure than Messi's in the CL.

So to this point in the season given Real have nothing sewn up, and Barca have La Liga sewn up, Messi's been better by far, thus far. Of course its subject to change, but so far this season CR7's CL goals have won the grand sum of zip.

 

[shamans]

Like I’ve said, it’s quite amusing seeing them unaccepting of reality

They've gone full self destruct right now questioning Ballon D'ors and champions leagues and throwing the "if you know anything about football you know Messi is better" arguments

 

[MrEleson]

I'd say this season, Ronaldo's failure in La Liga is a far bigger failure than Messi's in the CL.

More like Real Madrid's failure. Ronaldo still has 23 goals in 24 league games (not even all full games). Madrid are so far behind Barca in the league because basically when Ronaldo doesn't score; there's no one else to put the ball in the net. Messi has another player on his team who has 20+ league goals. Benzema has 5 league goals to his name this season FFS. Also, Madrid dropped a whole bunch of points earlier on this season when CR was suspended (the suspension probably was part of the reason his form was so off when he could play again)

 

[In Rainbows]

Doesn’t matter if Madrid win the CL. CL > League. How can Barca consider themselves best in the league/country if another team from their same league/country are crowned best in Europe?

Yes Messi has been better in the league so what? Messi has scored goals against mid table Spanish teams but Ronaldo scores goals in the champions league against the best competition in Europe in every round to carry Madrid.

Crystal clear as to which is more valuable and impressive but whatever floats your boat mate.

I never consider the European champions the best club unless they do the double. Thought that was a common sentiment.

More like Real Madrid's failure. Ronaldo still has 23 goals in 24 league games (not even all full games). Madrid are so far behind Barca in the league because basically when Ronaldo doesn't score; there's no one else to put the ball in the net. Messi has another player on his team who has 20+ league goals. Benzema has 5 league goals to his name this season FFS. Also, Madrid dropped a whole bunch of points earlier on this season when CR was suspended (the suspension probably was part of the reason his form was so off when he could play again)

That's one way to rewrite history.

 

[Jonno]

I don’t really take part in the Messi v Ronaldo argument but here’s my opinion

Ronaldo, the greatest goalscorer and top performing footballer I’ve ever seen

Messi, the most naturally gifted biggest talent I’ve ever seen, who’s also been incredibly successful.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

I don’t really take part in the Messi v Ronaldo argument but here’s my opinion

Ronaldo, the greatest goalscorer and top performing footballer I’ve ever seen

Messi, the most naturally gifted biggest talen I’ve ever seen, who’s also been incredibly successful.

I agree with this.

 

[padr81]

More like Real Madrid's failure. Ronaldo still has 23 goals in 24 league games (not even all full games). Madrid are so far behind Barca in the league because basically when Ronaldo doesn't score; there's no one else to put the ball in the net. Messi has another player on his team who has 20+ league goals. Benzema has 5 league goals to his name this season FFS. Also, Madrid dropped a whole bunch of points earlier on this season when CR was suspended (the suspension probably was part of the reason his form was so off when he could play again)

Bull, how many had he when the league was competitive? He's hit them all since the leagues been done. When the league was all to play for he was terrible. He had the grand total of 2 league goals by the end of November and played the entire game in defeats to Girona and Betis. He simply didn't turn up in La Liga when La Liga was competitive this season.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

How can you consider yourself the best team in Europe when you're not the best in your own league? See thats the kind of whataboutery going on here. Also you are saying IF Real win. Real have won nothing yet with 3 tough games to go, Messi has already won the league.
If Liverpool win the CL are they the best team in England despite finishing 20 points off the top? Are they feck.

How many United fans would say winning the premier league is more important than the CL? shitloads and that's an exact figure.

In Real's main competition this season, Ronnie hasn't turned up. Those same mid table teams you say Messi has scored against, CR7 has been atrocious against them. Are they worse when they play Messi but suddenly amazing vs Ronaldo?

I'd say this season, Ronaldo's failure in La Liga is a far bigger failure than Messi's in the CL.

So to this point in the season given Real have nothing sewn up, and Barca have La Liga sewn up, Messi's been better by far, thus far. Of course its subject to change, but so far this season CR7's CL goals have won the grand sum of zip.

See, you know I know that you know what CR7 is doing in the CL against the best competition in the world/Europe is more impressive than what Messi has done against mid tier Spanish sides. What makes you think Ronaldo can’t do that against those Spanish sides if he’s able to do it against the best in the word? It’s obvious he’s saving it for the CL and Madrid gave up on the league very early on.

...who had the more successful year in 05, Chelsea or Liverpool? Don’t be naive.


Btw Ronaldo has more goals than Messi this year and Ronaldo is supposedly having a shit season and started off ice cold.

 

[padr81]

See, you know I know that you know what CR7 is doing in the CL against the best competition in the world/Europe is more impressive than what Messi has done against mid tier Spanish sides. What makes you think Ronaldo can’t do that against those Spanish sides if he’s able to do it against the best in the word? It’s obvious he’s saving it for the CL and Madrid gave up on the league very early on.

...who had the more successful year in 05, Chelsea or Liverpool? Don’t be naive.


Btw Ronaldo has more goals than Messi this year and Ronaldo is supposedly having a shit season and started off ice cold.

Because he's played them all this season and until the league was dead and buried scored a grand total of 2 goals by the start of December. Also I never said he can't, I said he didn't. Something his La Liga record this season and the league table says.

He doesn't get a pass to give up on his league to focus on the CL, thats a ridiculous comment. And they give up early on because they were pumelled and Ronaldo couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel in those months. If he cared so little about it, why's he banging them in now?

If you think the CL is more important than the league I suggest you read this thread to see whats more important to most fans, like everything else its divided.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/premier-league-or-champions-league.400572/
Chelsea had the better season in 05. Had it been the other way round Liverpool would be talked about anyway because they are simply the bigger club, with more fans and bigger news.

 

[Zehner]

My criteria isn't that off the ball movement and positioning trump passing and dribbling so every single player who is better at the former is better than another who isn't so good at it. That's completely stupid, how you managed to convince yourself that was my thought process I'll never understand.

How I convinced myself that this is your main criteria? You say that for you the game impact of a player matters and simultaneously you rate Ronaldo higher than Messi. Yet, you admit yourself that the latter is a far superior dribbler, playmaker and technically better - arguably the best ever in these disciplines - on top of being one of the best goal scorers the game has ever seen. Moreover, "impact" can obviously have a broad definition and can hardly be quantified so it is a rather subjective term. People basically assume the impact of a player based on what they see and you seem to value Cristiano's position etc. so highly that you think it outperforms Messi's contribution with the ball at his feet. At the very least, this implies that you evaluate the impact of a player differently to me and obviously think the attributes Cristiano excels at - positioning, spatial awareness, runs and so on - are more important criteria than I do.

That's a valid opinion. However, in my opinion a performance analysis that leads to the conclusion that Cristiano has a greater overall impact on his team would also lead to the result that Gerd Müller had a greater impact than Beckenbauer, Henry than Zidane, Eto'o than Ronaldinho etc. Because Messi is basically doing what these guys did (playmaking, dribbling, chance creation) on a higher level besides scoring for fun. I mean, Gerd Müllers positioning in the box was so brillant that he was the greatest goal scorer in Europe before Messi and Ronaldo stepped up and lead Bayern to a European Cup run comparable to Cristiano's Madrid on top of winning Germany a world cup. Surely that would make him one of the greatest players to ever step on a football pitch. Of course he didn't play as spectacular as Ronaldo in his younger years but it is about the impact and you don't care how he did it, right?

 

[Peyroteo]

How I convinced myself that this is your main criteria? You say that for you the game impact of a player matters and simultaneously you rate Ronaldo higher than Messi. Yet, you admit yourself that the latter is a far superior dribbler, playmaker and technically better - arguably the best ever in these disciplines - on top of being one of the best goal scorers the game has ever seen. Moreover, "impact" can obviously have a broad definition and can hardly be quantified so it is a rather subjective term. People basically assume the impact of a player based on what they see and you seem to value Cristiano's position etc. so highly that you think it outperforms Messi's contribution with the ball at his feet. At the very least, this implies that you evaluate the impact of a player differently to me and obviously think the attributes Cristiano excels at - positioning, spatial awareness, runs and so on - are more important criteria than I do.

No, it doesn't. it means that even though Messi's better at those things Ronaldo is better at others that make up for it... I have no idea how I can explain it better than that, I'm just repeating myself over and over again and you don't understand.

That's a valid opinion. However, in my opinion a performance analysis that leads to the conclusion that Cristiano has a greater overall impact on his team would also lead to the result that Gerd Müller had a greater impact than Beckenbauer, Henry than Zidane, Eto'o than Ronaldinho etc. Because Messi is basically doing what these guys did (playmaking, dribbling, chance creation) on a higher level besides scoring for fun.

Read my last post again...

I mean, Gerd Müllers positioning in the box was so brillant that he was the greatest goal scorer in Europe before Messi and Ronaldo stepped up and lead Bayern to a European Cup run comparable to Cristiano's Madrid on top of winning Germany a world cup. Surely that would make him one of the greatest players to ever step on a football pitch. Of course he didn't play as spectacular as Ronaldo in his younger years but it is about the impact and you don't care how he did it, right?

No, but his impact wasn't enough... and he wasn't even the best player on the team. This is impossible.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Because he's played them all this season and until the league was dead and buried scored a grand total of 2 goals by the start of December. Also I never said he can't, I said he didn't. Something his La Liga record this season and the league table says.

He doesn't get a pass to give up on his league to focus on the CL, thats a ridiculous comment. And they give up early on because they were pumelled and Ronaldo couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel in those months. If he cared so little about it, why's he banging them in now?

If you think the CL is more important than the league I suggest you read this thread to see whats more important to most fans, like everything else its divided.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/premier-league-or-champions-league.400572/
Chelsea had the better season in 05. Had it been the other way round Liverpool would be talked about anyway because they are simply the bigger club, with more fans and bigger news.

Good attempt at trying to showcase only that which fits your narrative: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cha...which-one-would-you-prefer-poll-added.433232/

CL > League.


Again, good attempt. Barca have a bigger fan base across the world than Madrid. Who had the bigger success in 15/16, Barca winning the league or Madrid winning the CL?


And as for your “How can you consider yourself the best team in Europe when you're not the best in your own league?“ comment, it’s quite simple: it’s whatever the bigger competition is. If country X wins their group stage in the World Cup but country Z from the same group stage ends up winning the WC, who has the bigger success? Same thing with CL vs League.

 

[dbryan]

Good attempt at trying to showcase only that which fits your narrative: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cha...which-one-would-you-prefer-poll-added.433232/


Again, good attempt. Barca have a bigger fan base across the world than Madrid. Who had the bigger success in 15/16, Barca winning the league or Madrid winning the CL?

Not saying you are wrong or anything but any source for this? I have travelled through Spain and all of South and Central America (in 2011, when Barca were European Champions) and it was 50/50 at best.

Off topic but being out in South and Central America I realised how big Madrid and Barca really are.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Not saying you are wrong or anything but any source for this? I have travelled through Spain and all of South and Central America (in 2011, when Barca were European Champions) and it was 50/50 at best.

Off topic but being out in South and Central America I realised how big Madrid and Barca really are.

I guess it is opinion based for which one people may prefer over the other as shown in the poll/thread but regardless of that, for the most part it’s known and accepted the CL is the bigger competition (achievement) which is all I’m getting at.


EDIT - looking at it again not sure if you were asking for a source on the fan base thing but here it is as well incase: https://www.google.ca/amp/sokkaa.co...biggest-fanbase-worldwide-today/?amp_markup=1

 

[dbryan]

I guess it is opinion based for which one people may prefer over the other as shown in the poll/thread but regardless of that, for the most part it’s known and accepted the CL is the bigger competition (achievement) which is all I’m getting at.

That is fair enough. Yeah it all comes down to opinions I guess. Both are huge and for me the two biggest clubs on the planet.

I love both Messi and Ronaldo. I think Messi can do things that Ronaldo never could (or anyone ever could for that matter) but Ronaldo is just a freak in his drive and determination. Messi has more talent, but Ronaldo's drive is out of this world.

They are both great and as much as it as a cliche, I love watching both of them play. Long may it continue.

 

[Cal?]

But Cristiano single handedly carried Real and Portugal right? Bottom line on this debate is outside of Portugal and United fans very few will plump for Ronaldo over Messi.

Very interesting how most votes will actually look like these 9...
http://messivsronaldo.net/what-do-the-professionals-think-messi-ronaldo/ the 3 votes for CR7, 3 ex-United players of which 1 is also ex-Real. Also using the opinion of Sir Alex to back Ronaldo is like using Pep's to back Messi, as if either would ever pick the opposite.

Even Jose says Messi is better for what its worth.

What exactly did you base that on? Extensive research on the voting?

As for those 9, Hart and Gerrard are both likely to have gone for Messi because they themselves are ABUs and who is Jake Humphrey?

In fact, you say United and Real have lots of fans, but there are probably even more ABU and anti-Madrid people.

But does he, did taking the first half of the season off allow him to come through now and win the CL for example, or did it completely feck up Madrid's season? Is Madrid currently being in 4th because of Ronaldo taking the part of the season where no awards are voted on off to pace himself. Has he cost Madrid La Liga so he can be prime for the later stages of the CL, hell knowing Ronaldo and I love him for it, did he take it easy September to January because he knew the BDO was sewn up and he could keep himself for the business end and another run at it this season. I guess what I'm trying to say here, is in La Liga when it mattered most this season Ronaldo's form allowed Messi to pretty much win it by christmas. So does Ronnies good form now matter when the teams bread and butter is done?

If Madrid win the CL you'd say advantage Ronaldo, but it they don't Messi's early season form where he's practically dragged Barca to the title makes it his season as he's won the league before Ronnies got started.

As I said for me its almost a coin flip that I narrowly favor Messi over him in. I mean would Barca have won what they won without Messi? Not in a million years, Luis Enrique practically owes him a treble. Would Madrid have bounced back if they hadn't taken Ronaldo from United? Not in a million years either. Its what so great about them both... they are almost inseperable.

If Real Madrid and Ronaldo decided to prioritize the CL over La Liga, that'st their choice. It's not like there's a rule against Barca and Messi doing the same.

 

[Cal?]

How can you consider yourself the best team in Europe when you're not the best in your own league? See thats the kind of whataboutery going on here. Also you are saying IF Real win. Real have won nothing yet with 3 tough games to go, Messi has already won the league.
If Liverpool win the CL are they the best team in England despite finishing 20 points off the top? Are they feck.

How many United fans would say winning the premier league is more important than the CL? shitloads and that's an exact figure.

In Real's main competition this season, Ronnie hasn't turned up. Those same mid table teams you say Messi has scored against, CR7 has been atrocious against them. Are they worse when they play Messi but suddenly amazing vs Ronaldo?

I'd say this season, Ronaldo's failure in La Liga is a far bigger failure than Messi's in the CL.

So to this point in the season given Real have nothing sewn up, and Barca have La Liga sewn up, Messi's been better by far, thus far. Of course its subject to change, but so far this season CR7's CL goals have won the grand sum of zip.

That's just crazy, for a club who has a record of 20-3, I just cannot understand why some people will choose the PL over the CL.

Real's main competition every year is the CL, they've made it very clear down the years.

 

[Cal?]

Because he's played them all this season and until the league was dead and buried scored a grand total of 2 goals by the start of December. Also I never said he can't, I said he didn't. Something his La Liga record this season and the league table says.

He doesn't get a pass to give up on his league to focus on the CL, thats a ridiculous comment. And they give up early on because they were pumelled and Ronaldo couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel in those months. If he cared so little about it, why's he banging them in now?

If you think the CL is more important than the league I suggest you read this thread to see whats more important to most fans, like everything else its divided.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/premier-league-or-champions-league.400572/
Chelsea had the better season in 05. Had it been the other way round Liverpool would be talked about anyway because they are simply the bigger club, with more fans and bigger news.

Why would anyone in the league play differently against Real just because Barca are miles ahead?

This has got to be the most ridiculous argument.

 

[SillyUsername]

As for those 9, Hart and Gerrard are both likely to have gone for Messi because they themselves are ABUs and who is Jake Humphrey?

BBC F1 presenter, turned football presenter. He is now widely considered to be the paragon of sports presentation, honest! If he can’t give us an answer in the Messi v Ronaldo debate then no one can.

 

[SirAF]

BBC F1 presenter, turned football presenter. He is now widely considered to be the paragon of sports presentation, honest! If he can’t give us an answer in the Messi v Ronaldo debate then no one can.

Just another presenter.

 

[VorZakone]

I wonder what other footballers think of Ronaldo/Messi deep down. I know they can appreciate their greatness but surely they must be getting tired of facing these 2 year in year out.

 

[Treble]

Ronnie is partly responsible for Real's poor showing in the league this season. He's been incredible in the CL but you can't make your case entirely on 10-12 CL games. Messi hasn't had a worse season by any means. Problem for Messi is that he is constantly playing and isn't fresh enough even though he doesn't run much. It's about time that Barca start to use him more smartly. It would be better for their CL campaigns and for Messi himself.

 

[El Pasillo]

Messi has another player on his team who has 20+ league goals. Benzema has 5 league goals to his name this season FFS.

Even Benzema would score 20+ leauge goals if he was being used as a proper out-and-out striker while having the likes of Messi, Dembele, Iniesta etc. feeding him chances...

If you've even watched Barca regulary, then you must've noticed that Suárez is absolutely dreadful footballer and most Barca-fans can't wait for Griezmann or whatever to replace him in the summer. It's almost like Barca are playing with 10 men since Suárez adds feck all for their game.

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/14058-9-Luis-Suárez/page239

Goals alone don't tell the full story.

 

[VP]

There's lot to admire in Ronaldo but why do so many so-called United fans on here love him so much?

He's a ridiculously great player but still fecked off from our club at the cusp of his peak, cheats relentlessly and is an all-round narcissist.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Even Benzema would score 25+ leauge goals if he was being used as a proper out-and-out striker while having the likes of Messi, Dembele, Iniesta etc. feeding him chances...

Suárez is absolutely dreadful in term of his all-round play and most Barca-fans can't wait for Griezmann or whatever to replace him.

Goals alone don't tell the full story.

I don’t get where this silly notion came from that Barca have some MLS quality side incapable of winning anything when they’re still a top5 club in the world and 10+ points clear in La Liga.

Wasn’t all the talk at the beginning of the year when Madrid were starting slow that they’re going to walk La Liga and go further than Madrid in the CL and how they’ve turned it around and back to being ahead of RM and Ronaldo’s done? They also have a better goals against + goals for and from what I recall, Barca fans were saying they had the better starters having heard them say,


Messi > Ronaldo
Suarez > Benzema
Coutinho > Isco
Ter Stegan > Navas
Busquets > Casemiro
Umtiti > Varane
Pique > Ramos
Dembele > Bale
Alba > Marcelo.


Odd how that’s changed isn’t it since Messi no-showed and it somehow became an instant excuse for him/them. I don’t recall any of this to begin the year with, the whole Ronaldo has an infinitely better team than Messi does...funny how that works...

 

[KirkDuyt]

So I voted for Messi in this poll, but to be perfectly honest. I think I would change that vote now when given the chance. It might be recency bias, but when the dust settles a career is defined by a few key moments. We remember Maradona for his dribble against England. However, if that last defender had dispossessed him, I wonder if we would've ever seen that, still magnificent, dribble. He would still be that great player, but slightly less great. Arjen Robben has had a fantastic career and won many prices, but he could've been the biggest hero in our country's history if his effort in 2010 was 5 centimeters higher and went over Casillas' foot. It's these tiny moments that define you and in this regard, over the past few years, it's these moments that Ronaldo has capitalized on.

I still think that Messi is inherently a more talented football player who can do more with a ball, but who cares. Ronaldo wasn't amazing yesterday, but when the time came to step up, he smashed that penalty in the top corner. Messi on the other hand, had a chance, be it not a great chance, to get the deciding goal, but failed. All his natural talent didn't count for anything there. The next part might be kneejerk, but as Cal? said a few days ago, I can see Ronaldo retiring after Messi. He just has this ridiculous inner fire, this drive to succeed. Somewhere near the end of the match yesterday Ronaldo nicked the ball of a Juve player with a tackle for it to go out of touch and he looked to the crowd with his arms raised and screamed. He was never gonna fecking lose that match, it was simply inevitable that he'd decide the tie (I actually said this in this thread ).

TL;DR?

I would vote for Ronaldo, when asked again.

And for what it's worth, I dislike Ronaldo very much and think he's a narcistic wanker, but golly, he just deserves the nod at the moment.

 

[Bojan11]

There's lot to admire in Ronaldo but why do so many so-called United fans on here love him so much?

He's a ridiculously great player but still fecked off from our club at the cusp of his peak, cheats relentlessly and is an all-round narcissist.

Erm because he played a key part in us winning 3 leagues on the bounce and champions league.

Maybe it’s just that..

 

[VP]

Erm because he played a key part in us winning 3 leagues on the bounce and champions league.

Maybe it’s just that..

But then left to establish his legacy at an European rival. There are folks on here who seem to care about him more than United.

 

[langster]

BBC F1 presenter, turned football presenter. He is now widely considered to be the paragon of sports presentation, honest! If he can’t give us an answer in the Messi v Ronaldo debate then no one can.

I hope this is sarcasm. The man is a fecking idiot.

 

[Bojan11]

But then left to establish his legacy at an European rival. There are folks on here who seem to care about him more than United.

And?

He’s still a club legend. Played a key part in us winning a number of trophies. Just because he left isn’t going to change his legacy here.

 

[Laurentiu amt]

I don’t get where this silly notion came from that Barca have some MLS quality side incapable of winning anything when they’re still a top5 club in the world and 10+ points clear in La Liga.

Wasn’t all the talk at the beginning of the year when Madrid were starting slow that they’re going to walk La Liga and go further than Madrid in the CL and how they’ve turned it around and back to being ahead of RM and Ronaldo’s done? They also have a better goals against + goals for and from what I recall, Barca fans were saying they had the better starters having heard them say,


Messi > Ronaldo
Suarez > Benzema
Coutinho > Isco
Ter Stegan > Navas
Busquets > Casemiro
Umtiti > Varane
Pique > Ramos
Dembele > Bale
Alba > Marcelo.


Odd how that’s changed isn’t it since Messi no-showed and it somehow became an instant excuse for him/them. I don’t recall any of this to begin the year with, the whole Ronaldo has an infinitely better team than Messi does...funny how that works...

You must be quite a barcelona fan =)

 

[SillyUsername]

I hope this is sarcasm. The man is a fecking idiot.

Without derailing too much, I can assure you it was. I had a strong dislike of his presenting style on F1 and that dislike has morphed into a full blown hatred in football. I never watch anything pre or post game on BT and Mr Humphrey is one of the main reasons why.

 

[adexkola]

Ronaldo: Excellent goalscorer. Decent playmaker. Decent dribbler.

Messi: Excellent goalscorer. Excellent playmaker. Excellent dribbler.

Ronaldo's place is with Platini, Muller, Ronaldo, Xavi, and co. Messi's place is with Maradona, Cryuff, Beckenbauer and Pele.

This is based on skillset and what occurs on the pitch.

 

[Trizy]

Messi < Ronaldo
Suarez = Benzema (Both are shit this season)
Coutinho = Isco (Maybe harsh on Isco)
Ter Stegan = Navas
Busquets = Casemiro
Umtiti > Varane
Pique < Ramos
Dembele > Bale
Alba < Marcelo.

I fixed it for you . Most players are very close to each other in quality but to say Alba is better than Marcelo is laughable.

 

[padr81]

What exactly did you base that on? Extensive research on the voting?

As for those 9, Hart and Gerrard are both likely to have gone for Messi because they themselves are ABUs and who is Jake Humphrey?

In fact, you say United and Real have lots of fans, but there are probably even more ABU and anti-Madrid people.

If Real Madrid and Ronaldo decided to prioritize the CL over La Liga, that'st their choice. It's not like there's a rule against Barca and Messi doing the same.

Thats just one example of many. Heres Jose: https://www.foxsports.com/soccer/st...dona-top-3-best-ever-cristiano-ronaldo-071916
Amazing how his opinion changed after he wasn't Ronaldo's manager anymore?

- Just the small few again in this group plumping for Messi too. Fair play to Ronaldo himself, his comments are honest here.

So are you really trying to explain away Ronaldo's shit early season form but saying "Madrid don't care about La Liga?". Are you serious? Do you really believe they gave Barca La Liga, it was plain to see they didn't and their front 3 (CR7 incluced) all turned into Theo Walcott of which only Ronaldo has recovered.

 

[Frasbul]

Put Messi in West Brom's team and they finish top 8 at least.
Put Ronaldo in West Brom's team and they still probably relegate.

 

[padr81]

That's just crazy, for a club who has a record of 20-3, I just cannot understand why some people will choose the PL over the CL.

Real's main competition every year is the CL, they've made it very clear down the years.

You can't but they can. Like I was trying to explain to Vancouver... one persons opinion is very different than anothers.

Why would anyone in the league play differently against Real just because Barca are miles ahead?

This has got to be the most ridiculous argument.

You need to pay more attention to what I write, they played the same against both teams. The difference is Messi destroyed them, Ronaldo repeatedly kicked the ball into Row Z in said games. Messi won the league for Barca while Ronaldo was doing the grand sum of feck all.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

I fixed it for you . Most players are very close to each other in quality but to say Alba is better than Marcelo is laughable.

Oh I know.

It’s just what the Barca/Messi fanbois were saying when the year began. Odd how they themselves have spinned a new narrative now

 

[Zehner]

No, it doesn't. it means that even though Messi's better at those things Ronaldo is better at others that make up for it... I have no idea how I can explain it better than that, I'm just repeating myself over and over again and you don't understand.

I understand your point and I've already understood it when you brought it up the first time though I disagree. But I accept your opinion. If you think Cristiano's off the ball abilities make up for Messi's playmaking, dribbling etc. then fair enough. I acknowledge his skills in that regard but for me it is impossible for him to compensate his shortcomings in the other areas through it since he will always be (more) dependent on his team mates. His impact is therefore limited because he can only unfold is abilities if his team creates the situations for him. Exemplarily, the preassist from Kroos that led to the penalty yesterday was more impressive than Cristiano's run and header for me.

I just think you are inconsequent with the evaluation of other players then because you can make the same arguments you are making for Cristiano for former great goal scorers. You say Gerd Müller wasn't even the best player in his team. Why? I could say that his runs, positioning etc. created so many goals that forwards in the following 35 years didn't even come close to his goal and assist impact. Thus he had much more impact on the game of Germany and Bayern than Beckenbauer. I mean, Beckenbauer controlled games but Messi does it, too, and arguably even better so and on top of that scores much more. That's why I say you are inconsequent and use different criteria.

 

[walkinhop]

The more Ronaldo wins and less of an impact Messi has, i sway more into the Ronaldo camp. Not to mention the international stage. With age Ronaldo's consistency becomes a major feature.