I agree, when i read he has been our best attacker from a some of the posters, i don't get where they're getting that from. it's debatable that he was our best left winger, let alone our best attacker. this revisionism is baffling.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Martial was on fire in January and 3 times player of the month before Sanchez"s signing.
He scored a couple of good goals, which got the fan's giddy and won him those players of the month awards (along with his many online fanbois, Martial FC and all that crap) but he was not playing well at all. His overall performances in every game he's started this season have just not been very good. His best performances have consistently been as a sub.
It's been said a million times but hopefully a break in the summer and then a full pre-season with us and he will get back to form, let's be honest, he can't play any worse.
It really is.
Martial wasn't fantastic but still way more productive than Sanchez. The latter managed 1 league goal from open play over 4 months, Martial scored more in January alone. I'm not a huge Martial fan but he was good prior to Sanchez. After that he was pants too.
Out of curiosity, who has already written him off as a flop at the club?
Here you go, this is just the last page, i removed the members usernames because i don't want to tag them.
Martial's average rating for the 20 games he started this season prior to United signing Sanchez is 6.5. This is better than everyone in our squad except De Gea. He was playing very well both as a sub and as a starter. This is why everyone justified the signing of Sanchez by saying he would play on the right, where nobody was playing well. When people in the transfer thread voiced concern about what signing Sanchez would mean for Martial they were countered with the argument that Mourinho would not be dumb enough to shoehorn Sanchez into a position where we were strong when he could easily use him to strengthen a position where we were weak. Unfortunately this is exactly what he has done, with predictably negative effects on our team.
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What to say. Massively underwhelming. He was also poor from Arsenal in the first half of the season. Scholes hit the nail on the end, cant do any worse. Looks to have lost a yard of pace. I am hoping a good rest this summer and he can come back refreshed next season and perform to his potential. However if we are still seeing the same performances by December, then we need to cut our losses quickly and fire the person who recruited him
No he wasn't he had just come off scoring 3 in 3 games and had the best goals and assists to minutes ratio out of anyone in the league before sanchez.
I disagree. See above.
I already explained how I think Martial's productivity in the lead up to Sanchez joining masked some underwhelming performances. A textbook example of limited stats not giving the full picture. Martial started the season looking great (as a sub) but got worse as the season went on and never particularly impressed in games that he started, a fact those January goals seemed to gloss over for a lot of people.
As for Sanchez, yes he's been shit but he's a player who is clearly a tier above Martial and someone who the manager was clearly being very patient with in the hope he can get back to his best. And let's not forget that - for all his lack of productivity - Sanchez put in some big performances in big games (performances that went beyond popping up with a goal out of the blue) Obviously, a whole load of fans aren't being patient at all but hey, that's what they do.
Next season he'll be more integrated with the team thus his form will become better. Sanchez is Zlatan/Ronaldo type of player, he still has at least 4 years of peak football ahead, i have no worries about him
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He's just another player in a long line who has struggled to adapt to our shit on a stick football. How can people still keep blaming the players? If it happens once fine, twice maybe. But since Ferguson left we've had flop after flop.
Feel like we should merge this thread with all the martial threads into one giant thread titled "im stuck in how i think about a certain player and will never change my mind." Swear same thing in both. People using certain stats to try and point to their sides, other side using certain stats to try and say their side is right. Somehow people using the same stat to try and argue both sides-that part is kinda amazing. People trying to pass on opinions and facts to support their view. Neither wanting to admit the other may be right. Oh well. Sure things will clear up over the summer hopefully.
Average rating in what? An online popularity contest?
A lot of people seem to believe that a summer break with no football plus a full pre-season and he'll be up to speed again next season( and I too would like to think so) but what if that doesn't happen? What if he continues to put in these abject displays? Honestly I'd be looking to move him on. We bought him to make an impact NOW not 2/3 years down the line. There aren't any excuses for next season. I expect at least 20 goals and at the minimum between 5-10 assists.
Sanchez is a mercenary, one of Jose's biggest mistakes, best days over at 29. Martial and Rashford were flying it when they shared the left wing role. Both players must be pissed off once Sanchez was signed and you couldn't blame them. If Jose was so stubborn he'd offload him in the preseason.
Is he likely to take a 50 % salary cut to move?
No one is going to come close to offering him the wages that we are paying him. He is our ridiculously overpaid and underperforming player and we have a few more years of this to look forward to.
If he continues as he has then he will have a strong claim to be our worst transfer ever, not just for his own performances but how his arrival impacted the 2 young talents Utd had in place. I do expect some form of revival next year, the break should help him, but even at his best I didn't rate him as highly as some.
Imagine if Martial leaves and goes Tottenham or anywhere else and tears it up and we're stuck with Sanchez playing like this next season. I can already imagine this nightmare situation. He must hit the ground running or else fans will lose patience.
It's not even a Martial v Sanchez debate for me, I was just highlighting we have other options in Sanchez's position.
For example, I think Valencia is done in, best years have gone. BUT we don't have a replacement currently, with Sanchez we do. We have Martial/rashford/Lingard.....
I'm all for giving players a chance and time to settle, read through my posts, I'm one of few who aren't pushing Lindelof out the door.
I just think Sanchez (who is an elite player and prem proven) has been so so poor for us its apparent the signing hasn't worked. He was signed to avoid City getting him, not for the benefit of our own team. Jose is playing him repeatedly to save face over the shambles of the transfer.
Review his performances in detail, he literally struggles to string a pass together. He has declined so much from Arsenal form to where he is now its unreal
I've been saying this for ages and all you get is people repeating the 3 goals thing
Bet it's the same people that harp on about how good our defence is because of our clean sheet record.
Is this the caf rating? Martial has had to do very little in a game to get comments like 'great' and 'fantastic' on here, so it's not really surprising.
Quite often he gets that for ‘looking’ like making something happening too.
or the group who would give him a 2.0 if someone collapsed on the pitch and was dying and martial brought him back with cpr and saved the kids life. They would complain about his "body language" while he performed cpr.
Don't think there is a group like that though. From what I've seen, there's a realistic one that wants him to do well, and an overrating one that goes mad about anything to do with him.
It is the caf rating and Martial earns his fans and detractors via performances, same as every other player in our squad. He had such a high rating in those games because he was scoring and creating at an excellent rate, not because he was doing 'very little'.
You're on the money there, but that's just how people are in general let alone this forum. Plenty of confirmation bias that feels like irrefutable evidence to them. The only way to change an opinion is to not try. If the player has a world beater season then we might see some reconsideration.
People highly rate him via comments in his thread even if he's done feck all. No doubt that happens with his rating too.
The talk about unsettling the squad and so forth is just rubbish. We started the season brilliantly before everyone else settled down, then we started to suck long before he came here. "Something" happened and it wasn't anything to do with him.
Without him, we've taken 2,15 points pr. game including a brilliant start scoring tons of goals. With him we have taken 2,08 points including a period where we have obviously started to not give a shit as 2nd was virtually secured and we concentrated on the FA Cup. He has only played 12 games and people are writing him off, in that run we have beaten Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal.
I am in no way saying he has been great, he hasn't, but I have seen a very good player trying to fit into a system he doesn't understand at all. Over time he will develop and we will reap the benefits of it. His work-rate is awesome and his talent is unquestionable. Furthermore, he is not even 30 years old - cut the crap about him losing his pace completely and suddenly being Wayne Rooney.
Without him, we've taken 2,15 points pr. game including a brilliant start scoring tons of goals. With him we have taken 2,08 points including a period where we have obviously started to not give a shit as 2nd was virtually secured and we concentrated on the FA Cup. He has only played 12 games and people are writing him off, in that run we have beaten Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal.
I am in no way saying he has been great, he hasn't, but I have seen a very good player trying to fit into a system he doesn't understand at all. Over time he will develop and we will reap the benefits of it. His work-rate is awesome and his talent is unquestionable. Furthermore, he is not even 30 years old - cut the crap about him losing his pace completely and suddenly being Wayne Rooney.
I don't think that's true and even if it is true then it's certainly not what happened with those ratings for those games. He was highly rated because in those 20 starts he gave us 14 goals/assists. A level of productivity that makes certain other attackers of ours, such as Sanchez, look worryingly poor by comparison.
If you think the team/mou didnt care about second, you clearly werent watching the last half of the season. Shit mou sent them out there as cowards to get a fecking point against west ham led by moyes. Funny you try and use that as an excuse, when city clearly didn't put out there A squad against us, and pretty much played us off the field before letting up and allowing us back in that game before they tried to turn it up. As for Arsenal, shit thats a win for sure against a team that actually gave up. Yeah we did well to contain liverpool, bit of luck scoring on only shots on target but was an ok win. Good comeback against chelsea in the league.
The problem with most of those games is it felt like we played like an underdog that was trying to contain the others and battle out a victory. Feel like this mentality could be seen in our lack of penetration and attacking ideas against the smaller teams. Our goals per game went down after we added sanchez, which should not have happened with his supposed talent. He was invisible in the one competition we were still in at that point with the sevilla tie in UCL. Watching sanchez I rarely see him run at anybody with pace, he just gets on the ball, cuts back onto his right foot, and tries to pass it through the middle. Just because we beat those teams doesn't mean it was due to sanchez, or that even signing him was the right move. It also isn't a given that he will find better form next season, especially if the overall squad problems are the same. I hope he comes true, but the fact remains so many of us were incredibly giddy to get him here because of the idea of him slotting into RW, a position he has not played for us. Guess time will tell.
He's was dreadful, in fact, he was at Berbatov levels of disappointment.
Fingers crossed he can turn it around but looking at the way we play and his style of play, I just find it hard to believe he can.
Gonna sound a bit rash, but I'd be tempted to sell if someone made an offer this summer.
Fingers crossed he can turn it around but looking at the way we play and his style of play, I just find it hard to believe he can.
Gonna sound a bit rash, but I'd be tempted to sell if someone made an offer this summer.
I personally do not see him as world class, whilst he may do the odd world class thing on occasion he just loses the ball far to much for my liking and it is not like it is only when he is trying to be progressive. His decision making is also super questionable as he often is holding on to the ball too long. If I were the powers that be I would pay his wage for a whole season, which would be fair now he has had time to settle in and if nothing improves or comes to fruition he should be moved on next season.
Berbatov disappointed less than him so far. You could rely on Berba not to give the ball away cheaply on many occasions per game.
Two decent games and around 20 bad ones. Great attempt at trying to take some moral high ground. 
Very unfair to Berba. He was decent most of the time.
We can't sell Sanchez. He's on nearly £500k for another 4 years and seemingly he's going downhill. No-one else would take him at those wages now. You'd be lucky to give him away.
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