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Yeah, agree with the above. No doubt that it wasn't deliberate and it's very poor to insinuate otherwise.
 

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When Seb hit Hamilton at Baku last year I felt Lewis found some more motivation to win the championship, when Rosberg hit Hamilton at Spa a few years back again I felt it gave Hamilton some more motivation and pushed to the championship. This season I've felt he's lacked that intensity, until now, as much as I disagree with the 'tactics' inference I can't help but feel this race is the rocket up his arse that he needed to produce the pace he can.

Fascinating stuff. A DNF and spun round around on lap 1 and the gap is... 8 points, this will go to the wire.
 

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Feck him with his whining all day long when not in p1. Insecure bastard.
Mate just give it a rest. First he got taken out he has every right to moan about that and he wasn’t moaning during the race. Drivers have to report what’s going on. He doesn’t pick what team radio goes on TV, I can guarantee you Seb is just as bad in these situations.
 

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Mate just give it a rest. First he got taken out he has every right to moan about that and he wasn’t moaning during the race. Drivers have to report what’s going on. He doesn’t pick what team radio goes on TV, I can guarantee you Seb is just as bad in these situations.
Not just that. he just implied that Ferrari did it on purpose, saying nice tactics from them. Totto followed up in his interview saying that it's could be deliberate.
 

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Stunning drive for Lewis to get from dead last to P2 , he should be happy with that, not actually lost much ground.
Not expecting him to be happy about the incident , but FFS poor comments to make, took the shine of a very good drive.
 

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Mate just give it a rest. First he got taken out he has every right to moan about that and he wasn’t moaning during the race. Drivers have to report what’s going on. He doesn’t pick what team radio goes on TV, I can guarantee you Seb is just as bad in these situations.
Its fine mate. I'm chill.
 

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Clearly not, you mentioned it a number of times. You seem really angry at Lewis and his team radio.
It was at the race. His team told him on radio that his race number is good and his pace his well above the rest, so why should he complaint on constant basis? Can he just carry on? From 2nd SC i can understand but he get bit overboard with his moaning. Now the race is over, we all can laugh at him now.
 

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Not just that. he just implied that Ferrari did it on purpose, saying nice tactics from them. Totto followed up in his interview saying that it's could be deliberate.
I agree on this. He clearly should have reacted better during that interview. It’s the team radio argument. I didn’t see much moaning from Lewis after he got hit. When Seb doesn’t get his own way he can react angry too.
 

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Not a chance. If it ever does happen, that'd be where I stop racing.

That will be the death of F1 if it does happen , do not want it , F1 should be about raw speed and power , not yellow flags for no reason.
There as various factors at play. I think the sport is fine with core fans but I'm not sure in 2018 the whether it us attracting new eyes like it did with me in '98. Would changes even fail attract new eyes? Maybe and they might end up pi**ing off core viewers. I consider myself a core viewer but I'd never recommend F1 to anybody (I'd steer them towards MotoGP). The sport is not future proof, races are too long and not enough wheel to wheel action at the business end of the field. Solutions are needed and competition yellows are worth considering.
 

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That first safety car has totally revitalised the race. NASCAR do the whole bunching up thing for exactly this reason (competition yellow I think they call it). Don't be surprised to hear talk of this coming to F1 in the near future especially with the owners being American and all.
Have watched nascar, the yellow comes out for the same reason as F1 and goes full safety car at the same time.
 

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Not a fan of Lewis but did very well to get from last and finish second with that broken floor, rear whatever and whatever else wasn't really wrong with his car.
 

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They have plenty of crashes so they have many chances to bunch the field up that way but they also do this
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080727143852AAjkO9i&guccounter=1

This has the effect of bunching up the field as well.
This is basically a safety car for debris on the track, which happens anyway, they don’t throw yellows just to make them bunch up, that’s just the nature of a safety car, when a competition yellow comes out a safety car comes out as well
 

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Not a chance. If it ever does happen, that'd be where I stop racing.

You mean, like Kimi did? His opinion isn't worth looking at apparently.
Yes because drivers aren't known to be diplomatic at all. After every crash they come to an interview and start shouting expletives. Must be some amazing post race interviews which I have missed.

Edit: just seen Lewis and Toto dropping absolute bollocks in their post race interviews :lol::lol:.
 
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Yes because drivers aren't known to be diplomatic at all. After every crash they come to an interview and start shouting expletives. Must be some amazing post race interviews which I have missed.

Edit: just seen Lewis and Toto dropping absolute bollocks in their post race interviews :lol::lol:.
When the interviewer was speaking to Ricciardi, she apologised for his language. Couldn't make out what he actually said though?
 

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This is basically a safety car for debris on the track, which happens anyway, they don’t throw yellows just to make them bunch up, that’s just the nature of a safety car, when a competition yellow comes out a safety car comes out as well
Ok, so I guess we are both correct.
 

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Yes because drivers aren't known to be diplomatic at all. After every crash they come to an interview and start shouting expletives. Must be some amazing post race interviews which I have missed.

Edit: just seen Lewis and Toto dropping absolute bollocks in their post race interviews :lol::lol:.
There is a huge chasm between saying that no-one was to blame and shouting expletives for goodness sake. There are hundreds of examples of drivers criticising others post race, from the criticism of multiple offenders like Grosjean, Kvyat and Verstappen himself to stuff like Hulkenberg and Magnussen from Hungary last year (although there were expletives here) or Ocon and Raikkonen in Baku where both blamed each other. And now we can add Lewis as another example here.
 

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There is a huge chasm between saying that no-one was to blame and shouting expletives for goodness sake. There are hundreds of examples of drivers criticising others post race, from the criticism of multiple offenders like Grosjean, Kvyat and Verstappen himself to stuff like Hulkenberg and Magnussen from Hungary last year or Ocon and Raikkonen in Baku where both blamed each other. And now we can add Lewis as another example here.
You also had that time Vettel ran into the back of Lewis behind a SC. Both seemed to blame each other.
 

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You also had that time Vettel ran into the back of Lewis behind a SC. Both seemed to blame each other.
Yep. Drivers are always willing to blame other drivers, including some where the other driver did nothing wrong like the incident you mention. Also forgot the amazing Hamilton-Mass feud, both were blaming each other every weekend for something.
 

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Yep. Drivers are always willing to blame other drivers, including some where the other driver did nothing wrong like the incident you mention. Also forgot the amazing Hamilton-Mass feud, both were blaming each other every weekend for something.
Thinking about it you had the Hamilton/Rosberg incidents too. Not really new though when very competitive people clashing- eg Senna threatening to punch other drivers, back in the day.
 

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Thinking about it you had the Hamilton/Rosberg incidents too. Not really new though when very competitive people clashing- eg Senna threatening to punch other drivers, back in the day.
Yeah, exactly. F1 drivers have always clashed, they can be diplomatic in other respects but they are quite often very angry with each other, especially after collisions. My favourite was Schumacher marching down the pitlane to kill Coulthard in Belgium, was about as far away from diplomacy as it's possible to get!
 

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Yeah, exactly. F1 drivers have always clashed, they can be diplomatic in other respects but they are quite often very angry with each other, especially after collisions. My favourite was Schumacher marching down the pitlane to kill Coulthard in Belgium, was about as far away from diplomacy as it's possible to get!
That was epic.
 

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That was epic.
Best part was the sheer number of people it took to hold him back. He just jumped straight out of the car and walked down there with half the team following to stop him. Got to admit, I really want another driver to do something like that, think Vettel was close with Kvyat a couple of times.
 

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Best part was the sheer number of people it took to hold him back. He just jumped straight out of the car and walked down there with half the team following to stop him. Got to admit, I really want another driver to do something like that, think Vettel was close with Kvyat a couple of times.
The moment the jumped out of the car people instantly knew his intent. Absolute madness. In this current climate, that would be impossible i think.
 

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The moment the jumped out of the car people instantly knew his intent. Absolute madness. In this current climate, that would be impossible i think.
Yeah, would probably need to be at the scene of a crash if there was a fight now. Think you'd get penalised just for going to down the pitlane like he did.
 

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Yeah, would probably need to be at the scene of a crash if there was a fight now. Think you'd get penalised just for going to down the pitlane like he did.
Just watched it on youtube:lol:

The crash was odd- Coulthard did seem to slow down on the bend, but the visibility was so poor, not sure either really knew what was going on.
 

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Just watched it on youtube:lol:

The crash was odd- Coulthard did seem to slow down on the bend, but the visibility was so poor, not sure either really knew what was going on.
Yeah, it was an honest mistake in horrendous conditions, Coulthard couldn't really see where Schumacher was so moved over late and Schumacher had already moved out to lap him thinking Coulthard couldn't see him. Schumacher obviously disagreed at first (understatement of the millenium), but I think once he calmed down he understood, him and Coulthard seemed to get on ok.
Toto such a sore loser.
Yeah, I know right. You'd have to be such a sore loser to claim someone crashed on purpose like that...
Toto told Verstappen to do it on a purpose, as Mercedes couldn't catch Ferrari.
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I thought he was a nice lad.
He is a sneaky cnut.
:p

Think it was just in the heat of the moment, similar to Schumacher/Coulthard or Vettel claiming Hamilton brake-tested him. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Toto and Lewis walk back those comments at the next race.
 

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Toto has apparently already apologised for his comments. Good.

Meanwhile, some drama in F2 with one teammate crashing into the other on purpose on the warm-down lap. Been given a four race ban. Bloody FIA and their lack of consistency. ;)
 

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Bottas is class, look at his response today

Like Hamilton at Silverstone this Sunday, Bottas was the victim of first-lap aggression from Ferrari in France two weeks ago when he was hit by Sebastian Vettel.

But the Finn denied any suspension of deliberate wrongdoing from the championship leaders.

"There are not really any concerns," he said. "We are always starting more or less in similar positions, so we are always going to be battling. We are fighting hard and these things can happen. But it's been pretty bad for us."
Also notice the skysports wording: "Bottas was the victim of first-lap aggression from Ferrari in France two weeks ago"

you'd think that Vettel pulled out a gun and tried to kill him.
 

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It's this sort of attitude that makes it hard for me to warm to Hamilton.

He's one of the all-time greats but also a whiny, petulant man-child.
what? He gets rammed off the road by his title challenging team mate and he has to stay calm and collective. Bottas should have done the same to Vettle when he overtook him and then see what happens at Ferrari.
 

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Toto has apparently already apologised for his comments. Good.

Meanwhile, some drama in F2 with one teammate crashing into the other on purpose on the warm-down lap. Been given a four race ban. Bloody FIA and their lack of consistency. ;)
So he should, it was unprofessional for him to even think it.
Hopefully he will get Lewis to do the same.