Sell Martial and bring in a decent right winger - best solution for all parties concerned. We're stacked on the left and he'll never be a striker or a right winger. You can argue who is to blame for the situation and his current attitude but it's obvious he's lost his desire to make an effort for this club. Jose must be rubbing his hands together watching players he probably wants to replace in Martial and Shaw making his argument for him..
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The player is to blame but I think it's pretty easy to see why he may have lost will/hope. It's entirely reasonable for him to want to leave given his age and the role he has in the team. Mourinho has been playing him in pre-season, yeah because half of our attacking options are on vacation. The second everyone is ready, it'll be Sanchez on the left wing, Lukaku up top and him fighting with Rashford to be the first sub off the bench, which is nowhere close to what either of them need right now. And he looks like a player who knows that is his situation. If he scored in every pre-season game as a striker, Lukaku would still take his spot. Same as Sanchez on the left. If he scored a hat trick on the first game of the season, at best, he'll be pushed to the right wing to try and make an impact there. His 2 positions where he can play, he has no way into the team. It's a hopeless situation for him and he plays like that which makes it so much worse as he has no chance to actually work his way into the team at all like that either.
Nobody needs one single player. Manchester United with 2 more points over the course of 4 seasons after Ronaldo left us would have won 4 titles in a row.
Martial is a player with obvious potential, but has his weaknesses, and when his head isn't right like his current situation, then he just looks really bad. I don't see a situation changing here that gets him back to his best, let alone him even improving as a player, because it's obvious he knows he needs to be playing every week but won't get that here. So he just wants to go and it looks visible out on the pitch.
2-3 years is a lot in football tbf
Is this really all that uncommon though? There has been countless examples of players who have started off well and then had underwhelming careers. Especially when Martial seemingly (according to his fans on here, at least) can only flourish in very specific setups.
As a player, he needs to learn to adapt. Granted, he might go to another more attacking team and do well, but not every manager he's going to play under during his career is going to be possession based, constantly giving the ball into his feet for him to run at defenders.
For example, that's not how France plays and until he improves those aspects of his games, I don't see him playing much for his NT either.
Mourinho probably isn't the best manager to get the most out of his ability and if he's really that intent on going, let him leave. I think he's a really good talent, but not in the top tier of youngsters around there.
I’m not really on any particular side as far as Martial is concerned. FWIW I’m just not a huge Mourinho fan atm.
He's infuriating at times. As much as I think Jose mismanaged him he really doesn't help himself at all with these half arsed performances. I honestly won't mind if we sell him for good money because its very very unlikely it will work out for him here under Jose. His mind is long gone
All good but player has to take a part of the blame in this situation. Not giving your all in preseason to prove to your manager you got it and he should play you. That's just a shame.
Manager shits me to another position, doesn't play him, what's the solution?
I'll just mope around the pitch cause I don't give a fek.
I love the guy and have defended him through his time here but if he wants out we should sell him, he could score 20 goals next season and still spend a good amount of time on the bench Jose doesn’t trust him.
It’s a real shame because in an attacking team he will be a great player.
It’s a real shame because in an attacking team he will be a great player.
Didn't watch the match today but looking like he had a mare. Not looking good for him
He had like 5 starts in all competitions after Sanchez was signed, with 3 of those times being in the first month (twice on the right wing), and the 3rd being the Chelsea game where he got an assist (but then had an awful 2nd half). Every other time he played was basically nothing more then to rest Sanchez. He didn't get any "real" chances. Random subs here and there, but it was pretty clear that it wasn't a route for him into the team.
I agree he had a mare today, and I don't think there's a single reason to keep him so long as Mourinho is here. But I do understand why his form fell off a cliff and it's the same reason why I don't see it improving. No hope to actually break into the team, and it could turn into an issue with Rashford this season as well.
Every time you go on the pitch it's a chance, it's a chance to impress.
He consistently failed to do that. I'm sure he had enough minutes from January to May to score a goal or two instead of the zero goals he managed. A player as talented as Martial going the last 3 or 4 months of the season without a single goal is appalling whichever way you look at it.
If he'll interchange with Rashord at RW spot there is a chance which he should grab. Not have his head down but put an effort.
Don't think Mourinho sees either of them as real options for the right tbh. feck knows what he actually sees as options for the right though, given that Mata really isn't good enough these days (especially out there), Lingard is only ever good as a 10, and the others have only ever impressed on the left.
I agree, I'm just saying I do understand why he wants to leave. Even if he scored a hat trick, I think at best he would go to the right wing, which is not a position where either he wants to play in, or just does not play well in. Maybe (probably) both. For me he has pretty blatantly just looked completely different both in his body language/attitude but also in performances before and after the Sanchez signing. Almost like before he felt he saw an opportunity there for him to break into the starting 11 and be the guy, and while he was inconsistent, he was still more then decent overall and was one of our biggest threats, and then after just looked hopeless and like he didn't want to be here anymore.
I don’t get the spurs links I don’t think pochettino would have him near his first 11. Poch is a workrate and desire first manager which causes him issues in other ways. Martial doesn’t fit the bill there I don’t think
Absolutely, it is ridiculous. And if he had a stormer everybody would be saying no way we can sell him. it is preseason and meaningless. Players like Darron Gibson and Zaha have looked good in preseason before.
Same time if somebody is willing to pay £70m for essentially someone that looks lik ebecoming a back up striker and 2nd or 3rd choice left winger, isnt it better for all parties if we were to sell him. There dont seem to be many quality right wingers available but if for examples we sold Martial for £70m and used it for a net spend of £30m on Bale it would be good business in my opinion. I would love Martial to click into gear and become our first choice striker as potentially he could be....so may reasons I cant see that happening at all though
The big problem last season was Mourinho dropped him for Sanchez and then by and large Sanchez himself was very poor. So I could see Martial being even more annoyed at losing his place to someone playing badly anyway. I agree with you there.
I just don't think he handled the situation well, it looked like he just downed tools and gave up. No matter who the player is, and I do like Martial and I don't want us to sell him, that's going to annoy me. If you're out there wearing the Utd shirt at least put the effort in, at times towards the end of last season and apparently during this pre season he hasn't looked like he has been trying.
I don’t disagree, he doesn’t come out of it well as far as his attitude is concerned.
The guy gets 100k+ a week. If he is not trying he can feck off. Too many excuses made for him all the time.
Yeah definitely agree. People can argue all day over how he was treated, whether it was fair or not, and he is well within his rights to want to leave (I'm sure most players in his shoes would want to leave after how the season went). But the way he's been in these two pre-season games reflect really poorly on him, no matter what else happened.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...er-news/man-utd-anthony-martial-news-14939805
Mourinho quotes pretty much confirm he wants out but we will force him to stay.
Mourinho quotes pretty much confirm he wants out but we will force him to stay.
Don't know why I ventured into this thread...
You get paid for this armchair clinical psychology or just a hobby of yours?
Think it's been known since he arrived (from various reports) he's a quiet guy.
Seems like a player that needs nurturing and a 'softly-softly' approach. He's not going to get that here, so he should leave for everyone's sake.
Plenty of talent, but you sometimes need it cultivated in the right way. Not saying he's guaranteed to make it elsewhere, but I'd love to see him under a manager that showed a bit more belief.
Plenty of talent, but you sometimes need it cultivated in the right way. Not saying he's guaranteed to make it elsewhere, but I'd love to see him under a manager that showed a bit more belief.
He should just hand out transfer request, and be a "star" in other team. I mean, why bother with losing a few millions when he'd get much more in the future?
Or maybe he's gambling on how long Jose would last?
Or maybe he's gambling on how long Jose would last?
lvg would have managed Martial and Rashford well, unfortunately he didn't manage the team well
Wish we could tie him up with a extension and send on loan to a team like Dortmund for a year or two. Would do him a lot of good and also he'll be getting game time in a attacking setup with less weight off his shoulder. Based on his progress , we could see what to do later. He's still quite young and this won't be so bad for him to endure.
So now Martial is deemed autistic.
Bloody hell
A common trait amongst people on the spectrum is to be perceived as ‘quiet’ or socially withdrawn, even lazy and disinterested. All of which can be observed in Martial’s case.
You get paid for this armchair clinical psychology or just a hobby of yours?
Think it's been known since he arrived (from various reports) he's a quiet guy.
‘Learning difficulties’ also often associated with those on the spectrum.
We need to remove the stigma, and embrace the reality that the law of averages dictates that there will be a number of footballers, both historically and present, who have the condition; it’ll help people accept that the perceived idle arrogance of the Balotellis, Martials and Michael Johnsons may be something that goes beyond a lack of commitment and professionalism.
He's inconsistent but the talents there. It would be foolish selling him when he's better than all of our attacking midfielders bar Sanchez.
I'm neither a Jose **** or a Martial apologist.
Their futures are intertwined. If they don't meet the standard by January then throw them both in an Uber and let them argue whose fault it is all the way to Serie A. They would have failed each other.
Their futures are intertwined. If they don't meet the standard by January then throw them both in an Uber and let them argue whose fault it is all the way to Serie A. They would have failed each other.
I was throughly worried when we sold Januzaj and then slowly he was forgotten until the recent WC game against England. He broke into first team promising winger with great balance and dribbling. He had all the talent in the world like Martial but never realized it to the full potential. Something says that Martial will go down the same way as Januzaj.
Doesn't surprise me if it's true. He has 2 wife/ex wife and 2 kids at the age 22.
So what you're saying is he's already given up hope, because Lukaku might replace him in the future? Sounds like an awesome mentality to have!
Exactly the kind of player we need when we are 2-0 down and looking to win the game.
Erm.., more like because he knows that no matter how he plays, Lukaku will 100% start as the striker when fit, and no matter how he plays, Sanchez will start on the left when fit. Those 2 can have stinkers and will stay in. Others will get dropped. You can understand why he'd be sick of it after how the 2 seasons with Mourinho have gone.
Hit a hattrick a game, be MOTM every match he players.....give it a shot and he'll stay in. See Herrera as an example. Look like you care FFS!
Too weak minded...
Now people are going after his education? What a bunch of pathetic cnuts.
How on earth does Ed Woodward class him as one of the world's best talents! Show you how much Ed knows about football, cut your losses sell him and get another decent striker in
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