Pritti Patel makes my blood boil the most.I dislike Javid more than any other I think. Though with Leadsom, JRM and BJ around it's hard to pick the one you dislike the most. He's a smarmy sod though.
Pritti Patel makes my blood boil the most.I dislike Javid more than any other I think. Though with Leadsom, JRM and BJ around it's hard to pick the one you dislike the most. He's a smarmy sod though.
I'm more interested in the reasons that make you believe such arrogant aggression is justified. Your appalling grammar is tolerable but your unjustified sixth form smugness is unbearable. You have some points to make (your democratic point is shite but makes sense and your point about trade deals is partially correct). Why not try doing so in an articulate manner free from ridiculous resorts to dictionary definitions of words used by the tawdry campaigns of your Etonian elitists and underserved exclamations of superiority?
What you lack in subtlety you more than make up for in zealatory.
Hehe. You’re literally clueless. I’m out.
Stop biting. It's not worth your time!The Government thought we were discussing trade deals. Hence, the prolonged discussing of a trade deal! Jesus Christ indeed. Have you missed the last 3 years of negotiations and also the leave campaign promises of 2016?
1) Look at the leave campaigns claims over 2016. A no deal Brexit was claimed to be an impossibility.
2)You conveniently missed a key section: "...the Union shall
negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its
withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union."
I wonder if you are naturally obtuse or just pick and choose when to lose your comprehension skills.
Ah yes, forgot her. And an honourable mention for the utter buffoon that is Liz Truss. Why are all the high profile Conservative women so detestable? Labour has some solid people with Beckett, Cooper et alPritti Patel makes my blood boil the most.
Lots of blame to go around but he started this shit show. He shouldn't have been so arrogant as to use a referendum soley for internal political reasons.
You are fogetting that french farmers and german car manufacturers will demand a quick deal.The fecking arrogance to think the EU would even talk to you after that
Re read my post and try again.Jesus wept...
If literally spelling it out for you, with the terms direct from the EUs own official site doesn't help you, you are beyond help.
A senior No 10 source told The Sunday Times: “If there isn’t a deal by the 18th we will sabotage the extension.” Another source said Johnson’s team was prepared to “take a chainsaw to anything” standing in its way.
No 10 believes that its approach will guarantee an emergency judicial review by the Supreme Court in the week of October 21, with judges deciding the fate of Brexit and the government.
Johnson’s approach suggests Britain is on course for the worst constitutional smash-up since parliamentary government was properly established in 1688.
After a week of turmoil, The Sunday Times can reveal that Whitehall mandarins have also begun work on a plan B, preparing for the prime minister to announce his resignation. Civil servants are drawing up a blueprint for how the announcement would be made and how Jeremy Corbyn — or a politician enjoying cross-party support — would then be invited to form a government. “It’s a tactical manoeuvre and shows he is prepared to lose the battle to win the war,” a source said.
Is it any more arrogant that the countless number of people in this very thread who have referred to all leave votes as racist, ignorant, idiotic etc?I'm more interested in the reasons that make you believe such arrogant aggression is justified. Your appalling grammar is tolerable but your unjustified sixth form smugness is unbearable. You have some points to make (your democratic point is shite but makes sense and your point about trade deals is partially correct). Why not try doing so in an articulate manner free from ridiculous resorts to dictionary definitions of words used by the tawdry campaigns of your Etonian elitists and underserved exclamations of superiority?
What you lack in subtlety you more than make up for in zealatory.
It also shows a terrible understanding of the purpose behind the transition period and the withdrawal agreement mentioned in Art.50. The very reason for both of these things is to avoid no deal and create a workable(and timelined) framework that can then be presented to the WTO committee which can allow both trade jurisdictions to act as if they actually have a completed trade/custom agreement.Let's not rewrite history.
Fox made multiple claims about trade deals ready for when we leave. Davis talked about deals with individual countries in the EU (lolz). Hannan gave assurances that we wouldn't leave the single market, Boris said we'd have single market access. Gove talked of the free trade zone we wouldn't lose access to.
Boris again “There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal". Doesn't sound like a man who understands that the trade deal is separate to the no deal situation.
The leave campaign
“The OECD states that: ‘trade with the EU and other countries would initially revert to a WTO MFN-basis’. This is a highly flawed assumption that not even the IN campaign seriously contemplates as a realistic possibility. Leading pro-EU campaigners have admitted the UK will strike a free trade agreement if we Vote Leave.”
A leaver coming in here and suddenly using the EU rules and claims from remainers as evidence this was all always clear to brexiteers is ridiculous.
I'm sorry: this justifies your tone how?Is it any more arrogant that the countless number of people in this very thread who have referred to all leave votes as racist, ignorant, idiotic etc?
That's the thing about some remain voters. They will quickly throw around such terms but when they demonstrate a lack of understanding on the subject and are called up on it, all hell breaks loose.
The only lack of understanding comes from those who seem to ignore that the WA was rejected 3 times by the UK parliament and nobody has offered a single alternative option.It also shows a terrible understanding of the purpose behind the transition period and the withdrawal agreement mentioned in Art.50. The very reason for both of these things is to avoid no deal and create a workable(and timelined) framework that can then be presented to the WTO committee which can allow both trade jurisdictions to act as if they actually have a completed trade/custom agreement.
It's a simple case of responding in the manner I have been addressed throughout the thread.I'm sorry: this justifies your tone how?
Which is irrelevant to art.50 and the point that you tried to make.The only lack of understanding comes from those who seem to ignore that the WA was rejected 3 times by the UK parliament and nobody has offered a single alternative option.
If there is no WA, then there is only exiting without a deal.
The EU has agreed to the WA.
If the WA comes back and is voted through on the 4th occasion, then Parliament will not be worthy of praise but questions should be asked about why they felt it necessary to play these games and waste all this time. This applies to leave and remain MPs.
The actual meat of the trade deal comes after, when the previous treaties cease to be and the temporary deals, or WTO rules come into play.
It really isn't.Which is irrelevant to art.50 and the point that you tried to make.
Water isn't wet tbfIt really isn't.
At this point however I could state that water is wet and some would argue the toss about it.
Who has called all leave voters racist?Is it any more arrogant that the countless number of people in this very thread who have referred to all leave votes as racist, ignorant, idiotic etc?
That's the thing about some remain voters. They will quickly throw around such terms but when they demonstrate a lack of understanding on the subject and are called up on it, all hell breaks loose.
It really is. The purpose of Art.50 is independant of the UK parliament and their decisions. The fact that they rejected the terms of an agreement has no bearing on the puprose of the agreement itself.It really isn't.
At this point however I could state that water is wet and some would argue the toss about it.
Patel and and that Chameleon Gove are the the absolute worst. Sajid Javid also comes close. Career politicians with very little regard for the welfare of the countryPritti Patel makes my blood boil the most.
We all know he's a lizard person. Your subtle implications are unnecessary.Patel and and that Chameleon Gove are the the absolute worst. Sajid Javid also comes close. Career piticians with very little regard for the welfare of the country
Patel and and that Chameleon Gove are the the absolute worst. Sajid Javid also comes close. Career politicians with very little regard for the welfare of the country
When you build a philosophy based on individualism this is what you get, self service, at any cost. Cabinet meetings supposedly about the public good, but where everyone is working angles and thinking about what they can get out of the situation.
That's where you end up with defence secretaries leaking top secret details of meetings to newspapers, or PMs seriously considering breaking laws to get their plans passed.
You realize that for other countries the “future trade deals” took YEARS to come to pass? Also who’s to say that we can get good trade deals?? Putting a lot of trust in a bunch of morons! That’s why the WA is crucial. This is basic stuff FFS! Please will you get a clue and stop criticizing members of our forum board!Erm...
We need to leave before we can negotiate that deal.
Another who seems to miss the fact that this withdrawal deal is not the future trade deal...
This is basic stuff FFS.
Please, will some of you get a clue. The fact you have the audacity to criticise elements of the leave vote while being so ill ill informed is staggering.
We are not at the stage of negotiating the trade deals. That can only occur after leaving!
It really is. The purpose of Art.50 is independant of the UK parliament and their decisions. The fact that they rejected the terms of an agreement has no bearing on the puprose of the agreement itself.
Of course we need a WA. I have never claimed otherwise. No deal is a moronic concept.You realize that for other countries the “future trade deals” took YEARS to come to pass? Also who’s to say that we can get good trade deals?? Putting a lot of trust in a bunch of morons! That’s why the WA is crucial. This is basic stuff FFS! Please will you get a clue and stop criticizing members of our forum board!
So remind me why we’re leaving and wanting to flush it all away?You talk like the UK isn't one of the world's richest nation's, one of the top 4 trading partners of all major EU members, or the financial capital of Europe and the world.
If trade provides benefits even enemies will trade with each other. An the UK and EU would be far from enemies.
Because they call his bluff and then we’re feckedBoris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Because there is no better deal to negotiate.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Cause neither the UK government nor the EU have any intention of negotiating. Boris is just lying.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Because the majority in Parliament believe that if EU called his bluff and we had to implement no deal, the impact on UK would be catastrophic. This majority believes that the risk is so severe, it simply cannot be an option.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Using threats to get your way tends not to be a great negotiating dynamic for one thing, not unless theres a significant power inbalance in your favour, in which case your not negotiating, your dictating. Its more like threatening to set yourself on fire if they dont give you the house for nothing also. Its a rubbish plan, was a stupid statement the first time and repeating it for 3 years hasn't made it any more sensibleBoris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
It isn't terrible, but Conservative MPs and cabinet members have said that Johnson isn't remotely showing that he's even trying to negotiate a deal.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Because as Amber Rudd just pointed when resigning, there is zero evidence of them negotiating a deal with the EU.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
It is perfectly simple. It is only a threat to the UK, like cutting your nose off to spite your face.Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Ok. Seems to me the hostility is primarily originating with you but it's your choice. You've dropped into a long standing thread which, clearly, is primarily pro remain and are making arguments that have been discussed extensively in a tone that, and it mat be that you can't perceive this, is aggressively condescending.It's a simple case of responding in the manner I have been addressed throughout the thread.
It would be if that is what he was doing. He as no plan apart from winding down the clock. EU have moved on .Boris' argument that he needs the threat of no deal to negotiate a better deal makes perfect sense to me. Can someone explain to me why it's such a bad idea?
If I wanted to buy a house and the owners knew I had no choice but to buy it, I'm hardly going to be able to negotiate myself a good deal.
Genuine question. I don't get a vote so I don't claim to be the best informed.
Whats this we kimosabe? You are a dub nowSo remind me why we’re leaving and wanting to flush it all away?