The last bit about heart failure... that is what my wife told me she saw a Covid patient die from yesterday.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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The last bit about heart failure... that is what my wife told me she saw a Covid patient die from yesterday.
I think it's scary to even think of what those nurses and doctors in the eyes of the storm will experience. From their perspective maybe even worse than a WW. And the cynic in me is certain they will not be rewarded for their personal mental suffering but inadequately supported or even left alone.
I know we've officially got another week of lockdown in the UK but how long do we reckon it will go on for?
And how do we reckon it'll be lifted? All at once? Phased? If so how? What about shops and pubs etc?
And how do we reckon it'll be lifted? All at once? Phased? If so how? What about shops and pubs etc?
When do the UK numbers get released?
It'll be phased but I can only guess how. There were quotes over the weekend saying the restriictions may be able to start being lifted end of May. I think realistically, August is more likely for large lifting of restrictions.
There was a nurse yesterday who is a PRN (if necessary) ICU nurse who also works in cancer research who told my wife “if I’d known I was treating Covid patients I would have called out!”... my wife reminded her that they’re currently the Covid Ward and asked her what the hell she expected. That nurse called out today... her replacement is a nurse fresh out of school that doesn’t know how to run the medications that the ICU requires.
Has anyone else read the claims out there that Advil (ibuprofen) makes coronavirus far worse?
My heart says end of April, my head says sometime in may.
It'll be phases, and when pubs etc open, it will be with restrictions.
Btw, I see that today there is news in Norway that Sweden might have twice as many dead as have been reported? Is that correct? I don't understand how the reporting can be so off and the swedish press so late at discovering thisMaybe swedish press is finally awakening. You guys really need to toughen up restrictions now to avoid complete chaos in Stockholm at least.
Guessing you've seen the update on this @Cardboard elk ?
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zGJ8gv/mindre-efterslapning-av-dodstalen-an-tidigare
Still not sure why some people want to play off country vs. country like it's the European hunger games. The ICU situation in Sweden still appears very stable, so it's uncertain if there is any need for tougher measures just yet, if ever. All countries are doing their best I'm sure, and Norway appear to be doing a cracking job so be pleased and proud. Norway appear to have protected their elderly incredibly well.
I also hear that Denmark are meeting tomorrow to discuss gradually reopening the country again, possibly starting off with some schools. That's excellent news if so. More below:
The Danes may begin to see a way back to a more recognizable Denmark.
Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen (S) is working on Sunday, according to Berlingske's information, to talk about the plan for the first cautious reopening of the country, which will happen in connection with a press conference - perhaps already Monday.
The same goes for TV 2.
However, nothing is nail-biting, as working on a plan is associated with uncertainty and several factors that can develop rapidly.
In that case, a presentation of the first early reopening will take place just over three weeks after the prime minister closed large parts of Denmark on March 11 as a consequence of the pervasive corona epidemic.
However, it is likely that the first stage of a reopening will be less extensive than many Danes hope, because both the challenges and the uncertainty are open to society.
At the same time, politicians as well as authorities will have a persistent look at the development of coronas-infected and hospitalized patients, which can have a decisive influence on the pace of a reopening.
On Monday, it will also be a week ago that after a meeting with the other party leaders on a Danish exit strategy, Mette Frederiksen first mentioned the possibility of a reopening after Easter.
"I hardly dare say what I intend to say today, but now I say it: If we Danes for the next two weeks over Easter continue to stand together by staying away, and if the numbers remain stable and sensible in the next two weeks, the government will begin a gradual, quiet and controlled opening of our community again on the other side of Easter, "the prime minister said on that occasion.
Among other things, the Danes must continue to keep distance from each other in the coming time and in a budding spring and not exceed the set limits for assemblies of more than ten people. It is all about breaking the so-called infection chains.
Without in any way presenting an actual plan, Mette Frederiksen aired at the press conference on Monday, what considerations are being made in the government summit and with the authorities on how a concrete reopening can happen.
"When we open our society again, we have to do it gradually and we have to make it staggered," the prime minister said:
“For example, we may have to work, educate and attend school at different times of the day. We have to distribute beyond the hours of the day, we have to prevent rush hour in public transport, and when we go to work, it has to be in a different way than we are used to. "
Many questions remain.
Following the optimistic tone at the press conference on Monday, several parliamentary politicians have loudly marveled at the government's action with, on the one hand, proclaiming a possible reopening after Easter, while at the same time asking the government to pass yet another far-reaching emergency law containing the possibility of further restrictions on the Danes .
A cautious reopening of the country, according to Berlingske's information, is about how to create the most value through a modest opening of society.
Here, for example, it may be about questions about whether it makes good sense to let the smallest children come to school so that their parents can get back to work or whether it is rather about reopening parts of the public sector.
From several sides, clarification has been sought for the future.
For example, the Chair of the Danish Teachers' Association, Anders Bondo Christensen, believes that there is a need for Minister of Education Pernille Rosenkrantz-Theil to make a decision on the exams for the oldest pupils in primary school.
In the current situation, the teachers recommend that the graduation exams be canceled, the Danish Teachers' Association writes in a press release.
"I understand that the minister is in a difficult situation with great uncertainty, but there is a need for a clear announcement now, so that students and teachers know how to act," says Anders Bondo Christensen.
Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen (S) is working on Sunday, according to Berlingske's information, to talk about the plan for the first cautious reopening of the country, which will happen in connection with a press conference - perhaps already Monday.
The same goes for TV 2.
However, nothing is nail-biting, as working on a plan is associated with uncertainty and several factors that can develop rapidly.
In that case, a presentation of the first early reopening will take place just over three weeks after the prime minister closed large parts of Denmark on March 11 as a consequence of the pervasive corona epidemic.
However, it is likely that the first stage of a reopening will be less extensive than many Danes hope, because both the challenges and the uncertainty are open to society.
At the same time, politicians as well as authorities will have a persistent look at the development of coronas-infected and hospitalized patients, which can have a decisive influence on the pace of a reopening.
On Monday, it will also be a week ago that after a meeting with the other party leaders on a Danish exit strategy, Mette Frederiksen first mentioned the possibility of a reopening after Easter.
"I hardly dare say what I intend to say today, but now I say it: If we Danes for the next two weeks over Easter continue to stand together by staying away, and if the numbers remain stable and sensible in the next two weeks, the government will begin a gradual, quiet and controlled opening of our community again on the other side of Easter, "the prime minister said on that occasion.
Among other things, the Danes must continue to keep distance from each other in the coming time and in a budding spring and not exceed the set limits for assemblies of more than ten people. It is all about breaking the so-called infection chains.
Without in any way presenting an actual plan, Mette Frederiksen aired at the press conference on Monday, what considerations are being made in the government summit and with the authorities on how a concrete reopening can happen.
"When we open our society again, we have to do it gradually and we have to make it staggered," the prime minister said:
“For example, we may have to work, educate and attend school at different times of the day. We have to distribute beyond the hours of the day, we have to prevent rush hour in public transport, and when we go to work, it has to be in a different way than we are used to. "
Many questions remain.
Following the optimistic tone at the press conference on Monday, several parliamentary politicians have loudly marveled at the government's action with, on the one hand, proclaiming a possible reopening after Easter, while at the same time asking the government to pass yet another far-reaching emergency law containing the possibility of further restrictions on the Danes .
A cautious reopening of the country, according to Berlingske's information, is about how to create the most value through a modest opening of society.
Here, for example, it may be about questions about whether it makes good sense to let the smallest children come to school so that their parents can get back to work or whether it is rather about reopening parts of the public sector.
From several sides, clarification has been sought for the future.
For example, the Chair of the Danish Teachers' Association, Anders Bondo Christensen, believes that there is a need for Minister of Education Pernille Rosenkrantz-Theil to make a decision on the exams for the oldest pupils in primary school.
In the current situation, the teachers recommend that the graduation exams be canceled, the Danish Teachers' Association writes in a press release.
"I understand that the minister is in a difficult situation with great uncertainty, but there is a need for a clear announcement now, so that students and teachers know how to act," says Anders Bondo Christensen.
That’s was hyped up a few weeks ago, but I thought papers had since said that there was no link.
Unfounded I read.
I think you are supposed to use paracetamol instead, I’ve heard that also
There was a viral text going around about it (no pun intended).
Fact-check says there is no evidence backing up the claims
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/no-evidence-to-back-covid-19-ibuprofen-concerns/
no the ibuprofen rumour was bs
2pm everyday.
Couldn't agree more. Among the hysteria in this thread you actually do get some intelligent posts.
Saw this in The Guardian earlier. Thought it would be an issue in the UK all along because too much oversight and permissions still come from central government here. One of the things the regions are always asking for is more power to run themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-logic-is-helping-it-win-the-coronavirus-race
Since my heart surgery I’m not allowed to use it or other anti-inflammatory meds. If needs be I am allowed to use plain paracetamol instead. So perhaps there’s a danger to cardiac patients?
Yes but the most important thing now is people exercising common sense. Too many fecktards
I guess the big question is can you blame her?! At least in Germany nurse is one of the standard examples when it comes to underpaid workers. In more extreme cases they actually lose money going to work vs staying home and collecting benefits and child support and now we want them to be our soldiers going to work expecting certain infection and a good chance of psychological damage. Soldiers at least have this in their job description when they sign up.
But you will never know how long they would be living. Even as weak they might be.
Great article that, cheers pal.
United Kingdom Dates | UK Deaths | Germany Dates | Germany Deaths |
Mar 8th | 3 | Mar 11th | 3 |
Mar 9th | 5 | Mar 12th | 5 |
Mar 10th | 6 | Mar 13th | 8 |
Mar 11th | 8 | Mar 14th | 8 |
Mar 12th | 10 | Mar 15th | 12 |
Mar 13th | 11 | Mar 16th | 12 |
Mar 14th | 21 | Mar 17th | 12 |
Mar 15th | 35 | Mar 18th | 12 |
Mar 16th | 55 | Mar 19th | 20 |
Mar 17th | 71 | Mar 20th | 31 |
Mar 18th | 104 | Mar 21st | 47 |
Mar 19th | 144 | Mar-22nd | 55 |
Mar 20th | 177 | Mar 23rd | 86 |
Mar 21st | 233 | Mar 24th | 114 |
Mar 22nd | 281 | Mar 25th | 149 |
Mar 23rd | 335 | Mar 26th | 198 |
Mar 24th | 422 | Mar 27th | 253 |
Mar 25th | 468 | Mar 28th | 325 |
Mar 26th | 578 | Mar 29th | 389 |
Mar 27th | 759 | Mar 30th | 455 |
Mar 28th | 1,019 | Mar 31st | 600 |
Mar 29th | 1,228 | Apr 1st | 732 |
Mar 30th | 1,408 | Apr 2nd | 872 |
Mar 31st | 1,789 | Apr 3rd | 1,017 |
Apr 1st | 2,352 | Apr 4th | 1,158 |
Apr 2nd | 2,921 | Apr 5th | 1,342 |
Apr 3rd | 3,605 | | |
Apr 4th | 4,313 | | |
Apr 5th | 4,934 | | |
| | | |
Will be interesting if Germany can keep the numbers low from here. They're better equipped and perhaps implementing measures roughly when other mainland countries did around them further on in the outbreak can help and have said from day 1 at least from the European perspective of large countries Germany can come out of this better.If we look at the dates and numbers Germany have been quietly following just a few days behind, 100 deaths each, 3 days gap, ~600 deaths each 2-3 days gap, 1000 deaths each, 3 days in it, 1400 deaths each, 3 days. Things seemed calm in the UK with these small rates under 1400 deaths. If UK could have the same large scale testing I'm sure at Mar 30th it would be 100k cases. Germany simply might be on the path of UK and France but just with enormous testing. They certainly have the ICU capacity when the numbers get big and the virus reaches more older people so perhaps there they can break the path and the large testing can make more self isolate properly but so far the deaths has been inline with France/UK and their low testing..
I'm infinitely more impressed in how other Asian regions/countries have dealt with this on China's door step that have way more Chinese visitors than Italy. From Day 1 I've had Italy, Spain, France UK and Germany in this order in terms of outbreak tourism attraction and cultures.
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A good nights sleep is also good for the immune system alongside exercise.
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In the case of an underlying condition like that, then yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I'll see if I can get my wife to ask one of the doctors about it today or Tuesday.
Not to sound heartless or callous in any way, but that doesn't surprise me. A person of that age... the process of resusitation is a brutal thing to do to the body.
I think if you have diabetes too you are advised to take paracetamol instead of ibuprofen
The rest of the ICU staff is definitely blaming her.
It may be because I have an artificial valve perhaps
I reacted strongly to the 'overruling' part but didn't (initially) consider every possible aspect of this particular case.
Yes, because of the effect of diabetes on kidney function.
I'm responding to the question of "does ibuprofen make Covid worse", not "does ibuprofen make underlying conditions worse".
@Tweet, that's shocking. Can you take that up with the practice manager on his behalf? Maybe you can lodge a letter signed by him saying that he wishes resus to be attempted in the event that it's required. I'm sorry, your dad shouldn't be over-ruled like that.
edit - just being old isn't a reason not to attempt to save a life.
edit - just being old isn't a reason not to attempt to save a life.
Are you on a blood thinner?
Yeah, I know apparently ibuprofen creates an enzyme which the covid19 can bind to so if you have diabetes, heart problems it is not advised.
Ah, I'm really sorry for the confusion I caused - that wasn't a tweet written by me but by someone on Twitter.
First time I see this. Good news. I read the news in a swedish newspaper, Expressen or Aftonbladet. I am not a person to do battles in forums Reg
I am worried about Sweden, because I have friends and family there, and I like Sweden.Also, I have to admit, I am still concerned (!) I hear what you say about Sw/st.hlm and I hope you are correct. As you have said yourself, nobody has the answer yet, although myself, I believe in the Korean way with testing, search and isolate.
For Norway, we have not been that good at all aspects. But with the resources we have and the bad planning ahead, things have gone pretty well. But we still need to be able to test a LOT more to be able to open society. And there are still dark numbers here and too early too tell even with the positive development the last days.
I see they have developed a quick and cheap testing method in Sweden that is close to being ready. We have also developed our own methods that we are pushing to use, but there are other things you need as well that needs to be fabricated. I hope after Tegnell the chief epidemiolog had a meeting with Norway and Denmarks experts, that we start to cooperate. I think that if we cooperated, we could use each other strengths to the benefit of each nation.
At least we have paper factories and can print a lot of toilet paper if needed
We’ve been in lockdown here for 3 weeks. I am expecting slight relaxing of restrictions around June (restaurants will open for limited capacity, you will be allowed to exercise outside and gather with friends with certain limits e.g. 10 people) and then maybe by the end of year something more significant. Things like international travel, concert and sports with live audience I don’t expect to return this year.
That's what I'm saying there's no evidence for. It's theoretical. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-ibuprofen-and-covid-19
If you have diabetes or heart problems, there's other reasons to not take ibuprofen, completely unrelated to Covid-19.
It will almost certainly be phased, probably so subtly that when things are back to "normal" it would have been done without us even realizing.