Does this model supersede the Belgian model?
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Does this model supersede the Belgian model?
Belgium haven't confirmed what they are doing yet. Still needs to be ratified.
Oh I thought that was confirmed. So its one nil to the voiders in terms of models to follow.
Yeah. However, I would imagine it is just a formality for Belgium as they have announced that is the intention.
Testing testing and more testing. If the players and coaches are fit then they can resume behind closed doors surely.
Agreed, giving a league title on goal difference with so many games to go is ridiculous.
Edit: not seen any news sites report this yet. Plus wonder how Uefa will respond or maybe Holland will just put the top placed teams forward without actually naming a domestic champion.
A match requires approx 200 people to go ahead even BCD, it’s not just about the players and officials.
Indeed, just as it is when nothing is mathematically settled.
Belgium is not mathematically settled and it's looking likely they will name their champion. Scotland may do too.
Makes sense looking at the Dutch league table, unless they settle it on FIFA or something.
A different approach in France. Surprising considering how bad the outbreak is there.
That wont even be considered, everyone has played the same teams at some point. Sporting merit for 19/20 as reported, means current top 4 qualify. No ifs or buts.
Sporting merit simply will result in current top 4 qualifying. City's ban being upheld will be Utd's route into CL (which it most likely will unless they apply for a stay while CAS investigate)
That's more a hope than a legitimate plan.
The likelihood that the virus would have cleared up enough for French football to restart by mid-June is slim to none.
which is why they will likely go on a points per game tally as reported in the Mail and Times. Which again would result in current top 4 qualifying. Unless they went off coefficients, which UEFA have ruled out, there is no other outcome than current top 4 qualifying.
Whichever way they do it, some clubs will cry and moan. Even if they said to the FA, "you decide" The FA will still select the current top 4, as that is how it has always been for yrs now.
UEFA will have the ability to refuse clubs entry should it be unfair etc on 2nd, 3rd or 4th, what possible reason could be deemed 'fair', in response to not entering Leicester, or Chelsea, and giving their spot to Utd, Arsenal, Spurs etc. There isnt one.
The only one which may be fair is if City's ban gets upheld, if they are refused a stay
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If just one country awards the current first placed team on their top division champions that will be all the PL needs (if it's looking for precedent) to award liverpool the title. They are so far ahead of everyone they're probably the only club on the continent who is the easiest to award the title.
Possible there will be no European football next season anyway. Shame for United who look much stronger than Chelsea and Leicester.
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Agree it's more than players and coaches, but where did you get 200 from? And why can't they all be tested?
Personally I don't care if football resumes or not, as there are pros and cons but the point is they could resume if those involved are now immune because I think it will come to light that most people have already had coronavirus and don't even realise it.
Agree. Just needed someone to be the first and now there is a template I think others will follow suit but similar to in Netherlands the first step is going to be a firm "not happening" government directive to take the decision making out of the self-serving football authorities.
Weird the way people seem to think Dutch decision influenced by close title race. That’s completely irrelevant (unless you’re a Liverpool fan) Winning the title doesn’t have anything like the same financial implications for clubs as promotion/relegation and CL qualification.
The clubs chasing promotion or CL qualification are the clubs most likely to lawyer up if PL finishes league early with places allocated other than the usual points after 38 games. Hence Dutch decision is by far the fairest approach. If the league campaign isn’t finished like every other season than it has to be null and void.
The clubs chasing promotion or CL qualification are the clubs most likely to lawyer up if PL finishes league early with places allocated other than the usual points after 38 games. Hence Dutch decision is by far the fairest approach. If the league campaign isn’t finished like every other season than it has to be null and void.
Unfortunately, we’re nowhere near a situation where we have a test that can definitely say that anyone is immune. If we did, that would have implications way more important than football.
But it's not null and void. They won't have relegation or a winner, but the CL and EL places will be decided by the current table.
What happened Dumbstar? With all those smilies I thought it must be trueJust so this is clear (to certain Utd posters mainly), three European countries have now said there will be no more football. That's it. Now pay attention certain Utd posters:
Belgium - announced league winner despite 9 more games to be played (ask any Belgian poster on here)
Holland - about to announce Ajax league winners despite leading the table...drum roll... on goal difference.In fact I counted at least any of the top 10 teams are still mathematically in with a chance of being league champions
Scotland - Celtic being announced winners despite Rangers well in it mathematically. Worse still for, legal nightmare folks here, Hearts are being relegated despite 6 other teams that could still take their place if the season was played out
England? - null and void it, innit
Well that’s weird. All the clubs just outside the CL slots will be studying the smallprint of their agreements with the Eridivisie very closely!
A decision which creates loads of inconsistencies.
Willem are 3 points ahead of Utrecht, who have a game in hand, and the league game them a Europa League spot.
RKC Waalwjik were 11 points from safety and they get to stay up.
So Europe can be decided definitively without the same amount of games played, but relegation can't be decided.
Just so this is clear (to certain Utd posters mainly), three European countries have now said there will be no more football. That's it. Now pay attention certain Utd posters:
Belgium - announced league winner despite 9 more games to be played (ask any Belgian poster on here)
Holland - about to announce Ajax league winners despite leading the table...drum roll... on goal difference.
Scotland - Celtic being announced winners despite Rangers well in it mathematically. Worse still for, legal nightmare folks here, Hearts are being relegated despite 6 other teams that could still take their place if the season was played out
England? - null and void it, innit
Oof.
Every option is more a hope than a legitimate plan. Even if you declare it null and void and then football can't continue until say December, you have the issue of starting a 38 game season with half the time available.
You weren't finishing above Leicester I don't think but Chelsea would've been interesting.
CL places, if UEFA insist on qualification being based upon 2019/20, will just be done as it stands if there is no way to finish. The average point system is pointless as it will just give the same outcome. Either way it is done I think Chelsea are safe and City will be given a reprieve.
I cannot see it being long before Leagues One and Two declare void. Most of their income comes for gates receipts and they aren't getting those even if things do restart. Once that happens the dominoes will start falling.
Exactly, this is what the Dippers are not getting, it is not because people are out to spite them, but because relegation is so much more serious.
In any PL season 10-12 clubs feel like they can get relegated. Hence, if they vote for average points/as it is they could set a precedent that comes back to bite them if there are second/third waves. For that reason they will go with whatever option prevents relegation, which is more than likely void.
Liverpool fans crying in the comments for a league they don't even follow, the delusion is truly amazing.
What happened Dumbstar? With all those smilies I thought it must be true
Holland did the right thing. Have you seen Belgium and Scotland are still there in the post?
Not really. they have decided to freeze the table as PPG would not have altered any placings. they have also made the in-house decision that declaring a champion, promotion or relegation would not be fitting without the season playing out.
They have only awarded the European spots solely because of the directive from UEFA that those positions should be decided "on sporting merit of the 19/20 season". So any club with any issue they will just give a straight "talk to UEFA".
Null and void looks like the best decision, but its definately not fair like a lot of people say. Ask what teams like Leicaster and Lazio think about it. They may never get to the same positions they are in now. From this point on, no decision will be absolutely fair.
Leicester and Lazio would get CL spots if the same decision process as the Dutch league was adopted.
It was just an example. The idea is that there is not a fair option. If there is no promotion/relegation 3 teams from the Championship would suffer.
Absolutely, and these are all hypothetical solutions. No one knows what will happen at this stage, it's all speculation.
If we had rolled out testing as well as the Germans we may be in a better position.
You're not trying to tell me you wouldn't see the funny side of denying Liverpool the title & Leeds promotion, are you?
I think there's more chance of it returning than null and void.
Theyre doing everything in their power to delay this decision = they want to finish the season. Give it 2 weeks, see what Boris says, they will try and do BCD.
Theyre doing everything in their power to delay this decision = they want to finish the season. Give it 2 weeks, see what Boris says, they will try and do BCD.