Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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If they really cared about racism, they wouldn't be called the 'Redskins'.
 

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This just proves what he see/hear in the media and on facebook/twitter is just not reflective of society as a whole.

 

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This just proves what he see/hear in the media and on facebook/twitter is just not reflective of society as a whole.


Yeah I made the same point in the Trump Presidency thread, this rioting will help him gain voters. That is exactly why he is on the sidelines fanning the flame.
 

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This just proves what he see/hear in the media and on facebook/twitter is just not reflective of society as a whole.

Oh look, a cherry. Better pick it.





 

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Violent chaos haunting me
Mirror of countless human tragedies
Times of horror, constant lies
Totalitarian autocracy's demise
Fake peace, a necrologue for the elite
Brutality among the weak
While children die for armageddon victory's breed
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While flags are waving everywhere
They scream

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Of the poorest of the poor
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While flags are waving
Everywhere they scream

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EVERYONE AGAINST EVERYONE
AGAINST EVERYONE
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HORDES OF CHAOS!

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Let there be darkness
Let there be blood tonight
Let there be riots
Come start the fires tonight
Can't you see our people have got no choice but to fight them back?
Can't you see the change of consciousness demands a total attack?
Total attack
Finally they're swarming in
A long forgotten youth
The cause of inequality
A paradise for few
Superior, inferior
A vast insanity
When justice is tyranny
Anarchy is breaking out
Destruction marks their way
Burning temples turning into
Dark crypts of decay
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The weak are on the hunt
Battle on many fronts
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There will be blood tonight
Now let the riots begin
Convulsed by protest
At civilization collapse

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Cascade of aggression
Merely harvest seeds of hate
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Cities of inception
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So let the riots begin
A social unrest
At civilization collapse

and of course

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Intolerance
Eye for an eye

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Genocide
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Except by that very poll, 44% think Biden would handle the protests better as opposed to only 33% for Trump.
Had the feeling going through Twitter and Reddit, people were pissed about the looting of local businesses. Trump's hard stance against these nefarious activities might actually gain him some votes. Its good to know I might be wrong though and the American people are seeing through Trump's bullshit.
 

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Had the feeling going through Twitter and Reddit, people were pissed about the looting of local businesses. Trump's hard stance against these nefarious activities might actually gain him some votes. Its good to know I might be wrong though and the American people are seeing through Trump's bullshit.
I think this could go many different ways, for sure. I'm also wondering about the poll question about the military, which seems awfully high compared to the number of people who largely support the protestors. I'd bet that they haven't really thought about what bringing the military in would mean. I definitely don't think bringing in the military would be a vote winner for Trump, things could get a lot messier than they are now.
 

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I think this could go many different ways, for sure. I'm also wondering about the poll question about the military, which seems awfully high compared to the number of people who largely support the protestors. I'd bet that they haven't really thought about what bringing the military in would mean. I definitely don't think bringing in the military would be a vote winner for Trump, things could get a lot messier than they are now.
Well the National Guard is part of the military, so calling them in to supplement the police does not make you opposed to the protesters as those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive. What we have out here are assholes (often white) co-opting this just to be assholes, vandalizing and to a lesser degree looting businesses, even locally owned ones.

This is undermining the peaceful protests; how many of those are right wing instigators I couldn’t say. But if I’m seeing it here in flyover country like Tulsa who is calling in the National Guard it has to be worse elsewhere. It’s pushing local police forces to the limit, and when they’re stressed more bad things happen.
 

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Citizens and business owners are already calling for Santa Monica PD chief’s head. Taking a hardline stance on the more violent protests has its own consequences of ugly police force, but so does having a laid back stance and allowing rioters to do damage. The residents and business owners of that city won’t forget this, and it only helps Trump IMO if the destruction continues throughout the country.
 

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I'm so disappointed that many have spun the topic from "police brutality" to "racism" in the Floyd incident.
Spun? What Coolaid have you been drinking? Black people being killed by the police isn't spin. It is straightforward and obvious institutional racism in most cases.
 

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Well the National Guard is part of the military, so calling them in to supplement the police does not make you opposed to the protesters as those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive. What we have out here are assholes (often white) co-opting this just to be assholes, vandalizing and to a lesser degree looting businesses, even locally owned ones.

This is undermining the peaceful protests; how many of those are right wing instigators I couldn’t say. But if I’m seeing it here in flyover country like Tulsa who is calling in the National Guard it has to be worse elsewhere. It’s pushing local police forces to the limit, and when they’re stressed more bad things happen.
The poll separated military and national guard into their own questions, though to what degree people grasp the difference is anyone's guess.
 

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Spun? What Coolaid have you been drinking? Black people being killed by the police isn't spin. It is straightforward and obvious institutional racism in most cases.
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Citizens and business owners are already calling for Santa Monica PD chief’s head. Taking a hardline stance on the more violent protests has its own consequences of ugly police force, but so does having a laid back stance and allowing rioters to do damage. The residents and business owners of that city won’t forget this, and it only helps Trump IMO if the destruction continues throughout the country.
By all accounts her response on the night they hit Santa Monica was rather pathetic. She was giving news conferences (felt like) every 30mins while lawlessness reigned her city, and in the end they did use heavy tactics against peaceful protesters (firing rubber bullets and teargas into peaceful crowds while looters went wild elsewhere).


To paint her as having failed because of leniency is very misleading.
 
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By all accounts her response on the night they hit Santa Monica was rather pathetic. She was giving news conferences (felt like) every 30mins while lawlessness reigned her city, and in the end they did use heavy tactics against peaceful protesters (firing rubber bullets and teargas into peaceful crowds while looters went wild elsewhere).


To paint her as having failed because of leniency is very misleading. Those calling for her to resign in that article are still full of shit though.
Yea i was working so wasn’t really following the events live, just hearing secondhand from my partners that SaMo was going to shit and national guard called in.
Why do you think she failed then, if you think she did at all?
I didn’t bother looking into it, but the organizer of that petition sounds like a disgruntled police officer that wasn’t happy with her. It’s a common tactic used by police unions.
 

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Why do you think she failed then, if you think she did at all?
Basically the same mistake that has been repeated every night in most cities I've had an eye on:
-Once the curfew sets in the police get increasingly violent in breaking up the protests (Batons, rubber bullets, tear gas)
-The crowds scatter, thin out, and are all over the city. The police can't tell them from looters or even just non protesting residents that are out past the curfew for whatever reason (also press).
-The looters have an easy job doing whatever they like because everyone has become a criminal to the police. The police from that point on always plays catch up with so many of them tied up in insignificant police matters (beating up people).


She did stand out a bit though with her near constant news conferences while the shit was hitting the fan.

(I was watching it via ABC live stream from their chopper, been looking for youtube videos of the exact moments I'm referring to but can't find it at the moment, however basically the same happened in Hollywood:
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Both police brutality and racism are intolerable, but that doesn't mean we can merge them into one single issue. Similar to murder and rape, you can't call a murderer also a rapist just because the victim happens to be a female, unless the culprit has committed sex crimes before or there's a strong evidence supporting the theory.
What are you talking about? A murder isn't a rapist because they killed someone and not raped them. Really? I'd never have guessed.

Black people are actually being killed in disproportionate numbers along racial lines. So killings by the police are demonstrably influenced by institutional, and in some cases personal, racism.


Interesting enough I came across a series few weeks ago talking about a similar situation. In episode 4, most of the subjects (including white, black, Hispanic and Asian) shot at the black guy when he popped up together with the white guy. Yes, even black people shot at the black guy instead of the white. It's the bias deep down in our heart rather than racism which causes us to make that decision.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80215997
Well that's ok then. A Netflix doc found something quirky so we should just ignore decades of institutional racism and in many cases state sanctioned (or at least ignored) murder. Got it.