Are they being instructed specifically to be violent? I'm amazed no one ever leaked a police training manual, and maybe we can judge for ourselves how they're trained
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As was I.Who? I didn't put @entropy on ignore I was talking about the post he was replying to.
In a crowd of 60k you can't expect everyone to be smart honestly.What a stupid woman.
Thank god @Leroy The Red had the patience to put you in your place with civility cause tripe like this deserves none of it.As for my second point. I can only speak of the UK but I really don’t think ethnic minorities are hindered because of their skin colour, more to do with their financial situation when growing up. I appreciate the counter argument will be ethnic minorities are poor due to their skin colour. But the reality for most ethnic minority people is they or their prior generations came from poorer countries. Their families would have had to start from the bottom and it’s not easy to get up that financial ladder. I would suggest that’s a systematic error of not helping the poorest in our society. This is not to say racism doesn’t exist in the UK, unfortunately that will be difficult to eradicate completely. But systematic racism? Not for me.
From what I'm seeing in London the Met are rightly trying a very gentle approach with this however it does look like some people are not coming to protest but with the intent on inciting public disorder. I hope it settles down and BLM UK work to ease the situation.
Care to explain?As was I.
In her own way, she made a valid criticism.What a stupid woman.
I was half jokingly saying that if systemic racism wasn't a thing because sometimes non-black people suffer violence at the hands of the police then you could also say that the holocaust wasn't a thing because non-Jews were killed.Come again.
Are you responding about your pseudo account? Is this Wibble or hmchan.
Godwin’s law
Ah, I believe we’re on the same page here.I was half jokingly saying that if systemic racism wasn't a thing because sometimes non-black people suffer violence at the hands of the police then you could also say that the holocaust wasn't a thing because non-Jews were killed.
I don't have a lot of faith that those who aren't already sympathetic to the protesters can be turned.Unarmed, black, Muslim... 3 strikes and you’re out apparently
I would like to point out though that this is turning into the stuff that was broadcast in the 1960s - cops brutally attacking unarmed people on camera - that turned the nation’s sentiment against the police and toward the protestors.
Well polls show 54% of Americans are sympathetic which is good I guess.I don't have a lot of faith that those who aren't already sympathetic to the protesters can be turned.
Post of the month!I think people forget that there are degrees of privileged. I will never inherit a penny and most likely I'll never be very wealthy but growing up in a lower middle class white family in Manchester still gave me some privileged even if it was just in educational opportunities and expectations and life opportunities in general. If I had grown up in different circumstances the likelihood of me having lived the life I have to date would have been far far smaller.
No we gotta hear more from cops. Both sides of the story and all that jazz.Today have been a good day for the ignore button, it's finally seeing some use.
As protests over police brutality and the death of George Floyd stretched into a sixth day, Los Angeles officials said Wednesday that they will look to cut $100 million to $150 million from the city’s police budget as part of a broader effort to reinvest more dollars into the black community.
Video when available please.Rudy Guiliani just had a complete meltdown whilst being ignored by Piers Morgan.
Will put it up when it comes on but I think they are checking it for swearing according to Susanna ReidVideo when available please.
I think actions speak louder than words.No we gotta hear more from cops. Both sides of the story and all that jazz.
Full video probably not up yet but a small sample here.Video when available please.
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feck them allRepublican senators dodge questions, defend clearing out peaceful protesters
Hope they are remembered in November. Cowards.
Only Murkowski there had some balls. And Cruz didn’t disappoint to be the most disgusting of them all.Republican senators dodge questions, defend clearing out peaceful protesters
Hope they are remembered in November. Cowards.
Its accused. So I would assume going to buy something and the sales assistant making it clear they think you can't afford it.Fecking hell pogue. Charmed life you must lead. Please tell me you at least put a finger down for not being able to afford something expensive.
They're both white supremacist, bickering babies. Arguing with each other over their shitbag reputations for Christ sake.
What a stupid post!This is what restraint looks like for them. They aren't opening fire on toddlers at the moment.
I hope that Arkansas senator has a permanent ring of fire.Johnny Cash
Ye I should have written pregnant woman:What a stupid post!
Sometimes you just can’t dislike Piers Morgan
The regional slurs are odd, aren't they? There's a saying "Better to have a corpse in your house than a Marchigiano at your door."...3 or 5 fingers left for me, depending on whether ethnic/regional slurs qualify as racial(they're more like racist-adjacent). And i'm white and italian and lived most of my life in italy. Damn it Italy
@hmchan do you agree that police brutality in the US is more commonly directed at black people? do you agree that the police are more lenient with whites than blacks? do you agree that their tendency in any given situation is to assume that the black person(s) involved are in the wrong?
In many circumstances I would agree that the issue shouldnt be restricted to a single race or denomination. This isnt one of those circumstances. It has been very clear that in the US, police appear to be far more aggressive and use far more (i.e. excessive) force dealing with blacks than with whites.
I think most of the points have been addressed in #3427. I agree that black people are often treated unfairly by the cops, this includes being treated in a less lenient way etc. These are classic examples of racism, and people can always voice their dissent to these racist acts from time to time, but not making use of Floyd's death as it's a clear case of police brutality.Do you - hand on heart - believe that anyone would be able to convince you to change your mind on this?
I dont think @hmchan comes across particularly well, and he also failed to respond to a post of mine earlier where I posted him three relatively straightforward yes/no questions. But he isnt being aggressive (most of the insults have been in his direction, in fact) and is at least attempting to put his viewpoint across in a reasonable fashion. If you dont want to engage with him - which is completely understandable - then just dont engage with him. Put him on ignore if you really feel there is no value to any discussion with him.
Its mildly ironic that in a thread where a major part of the talking point is people's right to freedom of speech, that we are having this discussion.
I think that anyone in a position of true power could act similarly, all communities are susceptible to be prejudiced, it's an human flaw. The point of all of this isn't to attack one ethnicity's nature but to make people realize that the society that they built for themselves and its mechanism are totally unjust when you are not part of the ethnic majority.Thanks, man. I'm just curious that if other non-white race is in-charge of power, they wouldn't do the same (or even worse). What do you think?
Thank you for this post. I have been reflecting on this issue. I never thought about myself as having privileges in the past. Only when I was in the US, when for the first time I do not belong to the majority race, do I realise issues that I never thought about before. Simple things like "the sky is the limit if you work hard" only applies when you are born without the cuffs that are chained to certain groups of people from birth.Post of the month!
Privilege isn’t just the ‘small million dollar loan’ Trump got from his dad.
When people talk about White Privilege it doesn’t mean a white person doesn’t have to work hard to be successful or that good things are simply handed to all white people - it can often be a reference to the everyday things white people take for granted that can actually cause a BAME person issues.
Something as simple as a car purchase. To most people the thought is ‘I work hard so I’ll get this luxury, I may be targeted by criminals but I’m insured & the police will help me find it’ but as a BAME person you think, ‘not only do I have to look out for criminals I might get stopped, & if I do what will that interaction be like? etc.’.
It’s hard to explain in just a few sentences but I read this recently, “It’s a privilege to learn about racism instead of experiencing it your whole life”.
Before somebody says it. Do white people get pulled over in nice cars? Yes but if that’s your argument I’m really done trying to reach you.
They're really not. Just part of our culture in a way not too dissimilar from racismThe regional slurs are odd, aren't they? There's a saying "Better to have a corpse in your house than a Marchigiano at your door."
What an interesting approach. 3 fingers left for me and this from a black man who socio-economically leads a comparatively charmed life in the UK compared to many other black people here.Tweet
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This makes you think. Nine fingers left for me.