Wondered why Starbucks was trending then looked at the hashtag:
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Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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He was also an anti-capitalist.
Cool I didn't know that, changes absolutely nothing in what I'm trying to say, did he set up a campaign to bring down capitalism?
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Not all police are bad people, the same way not all Catholic priests are kid molesters. Many decent people in both professions. However the institution itself can be fecked, such that good people who enter are corrupted/complicit.
The sooner people understand racism not being individual acts but being a systemic phenom, the sooner these more "radical" solutions sound actually common sense
Yeah he was, then he got shot in Memphis
Prove it.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me and i'd be perfectly happy to support that statement but cant find a single reference to it on the Black Lives Matter website or anywhere else.
Wikipedia lists their aims as
"In 2016, Black Lives Matter and a coalition of 60 organizations affiliated with BLM called for decarceration in the United States, reparations for slavery in the United States, an end to mass surveillance, investment in public education, not incarceration, and community control of the police: empowering residents in communities of color to hire and fire police officers and issue subpoenas, decide disciplinary consequences and exercise control over city funding of police.[38][39]"
I'm sure one (or many) of their supporters would list it as an aim but you take any vaguely left leaning group and you'll find supporters of that statement there too. So ... yeah. Prove it.
Ipswich police officers accuse black woman of 'jumping on bandwagon'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-52998661
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-52998661
Ah, feck. I am done with this thread.
I mean, it kind of does. You said we shouldn't be supporting BLM UK unless we're raging socialists because they're campaigning to bring down capitalism. So, using that logic, we shouldn't support Martin Luther King either, as he was a socialist and anti-capitalist.
So if I don't agree with what he says I should follow what he says on the basis
It was a workers sanitation strike, that's not a campaign to bring down capitalism itself.
The basic point is why should I or any person who believes our general western philosophy of capatilism (however problematic it can be) feel compelled to align one's self with a movement that openly states it wants to "bring it down" (I'm assuming with socialism, but with some calls for defunding the police departments maybe some form of anarchy?)
Where do they openly state it then?
Link?
Are you actually serious?
I don't think insinuating someone is a racist is technically the same thing as disagreeing with them, but if pretending it is makes you feel clever, well done I guess.
No you havnt used the same logic, did MLK specifically campaign to bring capitalism down?
This is completely different to holding a view of it.
It wasn't that obvious from your comment, to be fair.
Make with the evidence of BLM wanting to “bring capitalism down” or stfu already
Not that it would be a particularly bad thing anyway.
This is exactly the sort of thinking which justified American-supported coups in Central And South America, as well as in Africa and Asia, and the propping up of brutal dictators. After all, they were opponents of capitalism, and so any injustice was permitted. The Soviet Union did the exact same thing from the other side, but they were the "Evil Empire" and the US was the "leader of the free world".
You should go read more about MLK and his beliefs.
Hmm...
Maybe he's confused BLMUK with UKBLM or some other group?
So, if you check the link I posted above, BLMUK states they are not affiliated with UKBLM and do not have a go fund me page.
To be fair that’s so easily confused with each other
"We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world "
You're wrong. Bring it to a thread where its relevant.
Yes, I alluded to that earlier.
We just call that a misfire.
I remember the chap beside me didn't clear his rounds properly and fired one round into an overhead buffer while we were checking arms at the range. My heart skipped a beat as the debris from the buffer rained down on us.
Yep, easy mistake, and explains why I couldn’t find any mention of it on website.
The easiest way to avoid this at the range is to shoot all your rounds at the target. When you are clearing the firearm keep your finger out of the trigger guard.
It’s hardly surprising that you’ve gone quiet in this thread after such a ridiculous statement. So I fixed it for you.
If you’re going to make such laughable posts please back them up, rather than just type a few rubbish posts and run as soon as you’re asked for sauce.
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Outrageous these cops haven't been arrested yet.
Breonna’s case is a bit more difficult, as my understanding is they technically had the correct address on the warrant. She had dated the target of the raid some time back, and after having a package delivered there year or so ago they obtained that address.
That in no way absolves those involved, but maybe we should be looking higher up here.
That in no way absolves those involved, but maybe we should be looking higher up here.
I see both sides. I follow @samswey because I'm a data guy and the idea of data driven policy excites me. So in the interim, given limited resources, the pragmatic thing to do is target policies that have the greatest reduction on police killings. However, the pushback from other activists is rooted in the idea that these methods maintain the current structure which is problematic to begin with. Plus what happens if 72% reduction is achieved.. is that good enough? Someone made a point that it wouldn't be acceptable if a government pledged to reduce terrorist attacks by 72%. But yeah it's an engaging conversation.
Honestly what swayed me is seeing some depts that have already implemented so many of those policies and aren't exactly good models of anything (Chicago, Baltimore). Which made me wonder if the rest of the (weak) correlation is due to outside factors.
Yeah it's not the most solid work, statistics wise. Kudos to him for trying! Best case scenario they are missing some factors that are key to the correlations. Worst case scenario... These policies aren't predictive at all!