Bruno Fernandes image 8

Bruno Fernandes Portugal flag

2020-21 Performances


View full 2020-21 profile

6.4 Season Average Rating
Appearances
58
Goals
28
Assists
17
Yellow cards
7
Status
Not open for further replies.

meamth

New Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2017
Messages
5,946
Location
Malaysia
When you set high standards, it's natural to be criticized.

In that game against Germany, the setup was weird one, two slow CDMs who can't retain the ball, he was isolated. That's not his fault, surely? How can he get involved if both CDM can't connect with him?

I didn't watch today's game, but I'd reckon it's the same problem.
 

slored1

Full Member
Joined
May 15, 2016
Messages
3,532
Has to get rest, he's played over 70 games in the past year. Dude is going to pass away at this rate.
 

Isotope

Ten Years a Cafite
Joined
Mar 6, 2012
Messages
23,709
Yeah but it's England. And in that generation England were a completely dysfunctional and terrible managed. Players don't operate in some vacuum.
England had some of the best managers during his time. And his era span for about 10 years. He never made any Team of the Tournament. I love Scholes as much as many in here (in fact, he's one of the reason i started as United fan). But he let down the England NT as much as the later let him down also.

But then, those excuses you listed are valid also.
 

Stacks

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2015
Messages
10,911
Location
Between a rock and Gibraltar
A bit disappointing how United fans are always the first to crucify their best players. Bruno has been nothing short of superb for us, game in and game out. He's at times practically our only creative source and is actually pretty consistent. I don't even think he's wasteful, he fulfills his role of making things happen. He's not a Tempo setter or a player who connects the dots, he's a classic playmaker who has the touch and balance to be found in attacking areas, creates chances, has a good shot and makes excellent runs in behind. He's also excellent at roaming, connecting with our wingers consistently. Most importantly, he's an attacker and people have to start paying attention to that fact. Yes he works hard enough off the ball to look like more of a midfielder at times, but at his best he operates higher up the pitch. Which is why we should continue to still use a 4231...he's a beneficiary of us playing that system.

It's ironic, as for years we had gutless players scared if making that final pass, yet we have creativity and risk taking personified and choose to look at it as a flaw. We're not City, we're not built to be a team to possess 60 percent of the ball, we've never been that team and there are many teams in Europe that play good football without retaining possession aimlessly. Our problem since Carrick stopped being a starting option in our team has been our ability to move the ball from defence to attack. The biggest highlight in this weakness has been our inability to quickly beat the oppositions initial press, hence forcing us to have a slow build up, which makes it difficult to find attackers in the bigger games ( hence forced to release possession quickly) or face a deep organized block in big games( that isn't stretched), making attacks take more time to orchestrate. We also have some games where the lack of consistency on the flanks means we fail to stretch the opposition, so Bruno becomes our only source of creativity. If he simply passed sideways in these games, we'd hardly score any goals. Appreciate that and stop complaining.
His passing accuracy was roughly Firmino, far higher than Kane, Mane, Raphinha, Vardy who are players some have wanted at United. That said he does need to take care of the ball sometimes. Everyone has weaknesses. He does good little flicks to help with fast attacks and I feel he is better suited to teams who play fast on transition. He is very direct like a British player. The patient play may not be his strength
But but Tielemans is great…Such overrating of other team players whilst we put down our own
Why is it okay for Kane to play shit and people would still want him here?
I don't think they don't want him here. They are just critiquing his performance and acknowledging he has been playing suspect for a while.
 

amolbhatia50k

Sneaky bum time - Vaccination status: dozed off
Joined
Nov 8, 2002
Messages
95,849
Location
india
England had some of the best managers during his time. And his era span for about 10 years. He never made any Team of the Tournament. I love Scholes as much as many in here (in fact, he's one of the reason i started as United fan). But he let down the England NT as much as the later let him down also.

But then, those excuses you listed are valid also.
:lol: Which were those? Sven was tactically an imbecile, for England at least. Capello did a woeful job. They were never well managed, always a collection of individuals doing their own thing in a broken team that had no identity or cohesion. Much like us for much of this past decade.
 

Rajiztar

Full Member
Joined
Nov 10, 2019
Messages
2,107
Supports
Chelsea
I said it at match day forum. Mata was a prime example of how Bruno operated so well for united. There is always class in him. And gave him free role to pop up everywhere at united maximised his output. The game flow through him. Players looked up to him at every opportunity.It's not Bruno s fault if Portugal set up not maximised his ability.

Mata at chelsea produced some awesome numbers especially the 2012/13 season.20 goals and 35 assists in single season though he had Torres as main striker.Mata was at chelsea exactly the same as Bruno for united. Every move go through them and they are winning games for their team.

As long as team built around Bruno he will produce results.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
5,985
When you set high standards, it's natural to be criticized.

In that game against Germany, the setup was weird one, two slow CDMs who can't retain the ball, he was isolated. That's not his fault, surely? How can he get involved if both CDM can't connect with him?

I didn't watch today's game, but I'd reckon it's the same problem.
I wasn't surprised when Renato Sanches was chosen ahead of him for yesterday's game to be honest, they've looked better when he was on the pitch, and they did yesterday too. I don't think Bruno has played badly as such, but he somehow does not seem to be what they need in that position.

Yesterday he did not play in his customary position - he replaced Bernardo Silva on the right flank.
 

charlenefan

Far less insightful than the other Charley
Joined
Aug 17, 2005
Messages
33,052
Can't find those posts. Can you?
I've put most of them on ignore so no, but over the last week I've read everything from Bruno is trash, he's tragic, it's a problem he's our best player and that we should buy someone better than him (and Pogba) and that we should sell while his stock is high
 

Greyfog

Full Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2018
Messages
658
Location
High Road
Supports
Enugu Rangers
Klopp and Pep get credit for when their players turn out shyte for the NT. Maybe Ole should get credit for getting the best out of Bruno too. Ole Ole Ole!
 

Godfather

Full Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2007
Messages
30,074
Location
Austria
No need to go over the top or get hysterical about the criticism. Most if not all love him and are glad he is here but merely point out that his poor form in the last couple of months of last season seems to have carried on now and that's a bit concerning
 

charlenefan

Far less insightful than the other Charley
Joined
Aug 17, 2005
Messages
33,052
No need to go over the top or get hysterical about the criticism. Most if not all love him and are glad he is here but merely point out that his poor form in the last couple of months of last season seems to have carried on now and that's a bit concerning
Other than his first few months I've been reading about him being in poor form since he got here and that the goals and assists were merely masking that poor form
 

charlenefan

Far less insightful than the other Charley
Joined
Aug 17, 2005
Messages
33,052
Some were calling him a stat padder too
I don't know if it's because we've been starved of WC players for so long that people have forgotten what they look like but it's sad to see our best players met with the same level of hostility as our 'shit' ones

You could mistake this thread for Lingard's for example
 

bsCallout

New Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2017
Messages
4,278
Absolutely shite tournament to date, so lucky with the penalty decision and didn’t start a game Portugal really had to win. A guy who was Sub for Swansea played instead....yet he’s that good the whole world is envious? Massively over rated. He’s a class player who needs to be allowed to do what he wants when he wants. Regardless of what is best for the team. Who’s inconsistency is overlooked. If we win a major trophy he will be part of it....but he won’t be the reason for it.
He was put at right mid last night, I mean what kind of manager puts Bruno at right mid. Also Sanches has arguable been one of the better players in the whole tournament when he's been on, doesn't matter that he failed at Swansea, he's levels above them. He's playing for the team that just knocked PSG off their perch in the league. You're massively underrating Sanches.

People were raving about Bruno in the first game of the tournament too.
 

kouroux

45k posts to finally achieve this tagline
Joined
Apr 25, 2007
Messages
96,501
Location
Djibouti (La terre des braves)
I don't know if it's because we've been starved of WC players for so long that people have forgotten what they look like but it's sad to see our best players met with the same level of hostility as our 'shit' ones

You could mistake this thread for Lingard's for example
It's all weird to me. I can criticize a player for games in isolation because sometimes they have bad games, I don't take any pleasure in it
 

KD6-3.7

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 24, 2020
Messages
514
Yes I agree that we should drop our best players and hopefully we can make a good strike for 5th. Honestly feck your opinions he has been nothing but incredible for us you plank.
Even a blind man could see he needs to work on his ball retention.

Just because he is our best player doesn't mean he should be untouchable. If he is playing poorly he should rightfully be subbed off, but of course we need to get a manager who has an actual style of play and structure so we can be in a position to drop him if we need to.
 

bsCallout

New Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2017
Messages
4,278
Even a blind man could see he needs to work on his ball retention.

Just because he is our best player doesn't mean he should be untouchable. If he is playing poorly he should rightfully be subbed off, but of course we need to get a manager who has an actual style of play and structure so we can be in a position to drop him if we need to.
What does an actually style of play or structure have to do with him being dropped or not? Seemed a bizarre way to slide in a dig at Ole. As if you even know what style of play or structure is.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
5,985
Just because he may not be Portugal's best option at that position right now, that doesn't necessarily mean he's played badly. I don't think he has. That's just as much about the collective totality and how the pieces fit together.

As regards how he's done for United, I think that's pretty straightforward. He has without question been one of the 3 best players in the PL for two straight seasons. If that's not enough for you, you have too much fecking time on your hands, or you want to be unhappy. Is he without shortcomings? no. Is every single game he plays great? No. Is he immune to spells of bad form? No. But show me the player who is. So let's have some sense of perspective here.
 

Schmeichel's Cartwheel

Correctly predicted Italy to win Euro 2020
Joined
Dec 21, 2014
Messages
11,420
Location
Manchester
Yes I agree that we should drop our best players and hopefully we can make a good strike for 5th. Honestly feck your opinions he has been nothing but incredible for us you plank.
Nothing he said warranted this. When you kick your toys out of the pram like this you automatically lose the debate.
 

OmarUnited4ever

Full Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2021
Messages
3,466
I didn't like Portugal's formation in their games vs Hungary & Germany, Carvalho & Parreira are too slow or too conservative in the way they play which might not suite Bruno, as for Bruno himself, it seems to me he didn't gel well with the team around him and he is forcing it too much at times.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
5,985
I didn't like Portugal's formation in their games vs Hungary & Germany, Carvalho & Parreira are too slow or too conservative in the way they play which might not suite Bruno, as for Bruno himself, it seems to me he didn't gel well with the team around him and he is forcing it too much at times.
Precisely. There's something about the rhytm that isn't right.
 

Godfather

Full Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2007
Messages
30,074
Location
Austria
Other than his first few months I've been reading about him being in poor form since he got here and that the goals and assists were merely masking that poor form
Which is nonsense I agree. His last games for us weren't good though and he has been a bit underwhelming for Portugal as well. Here's hope he can get a good rest and get back to his best.
 

Eriku

Full Member
Joined
Jul 18, 2007
Messages
16,286
Location
Oslo, Norway
His performance in the short time he got yesterday was horrendous and would have stood out to me regardless of who was subbed in.

But anybody questioning this guy after the 18 months he’s just given us are mental :lol:
 

Devil81

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2014
Messages
6,707
You'd have to be insane to sell Bruno after the last few years, he's had a drop in form and that's natural when you are clearly our on your arse exhausted. The guy could do with an enforced break or something, it just doesn't seem anyone has the backbone to make him do it.
 

tjb

Full Member
Joined
Sep 6, 2013
Messages
3,340
Absolutely. The catalyst of our transformation and people want to sell him? We were so lucky to find a player with such drive and talent.. Who would we replace him with? Insanity.
I think people forget what 2019/20 was like before him. For me, I feel it's the obsession with copying City's style of play deceiving people into thinking ball retention is everything. He's not Kroos, he's tasked with creating chances.

Jose also has something against him and still seems bitter about United. He's defended Kane and Southgate throughout, but despite having a good first game, is basically saying Bruno has been Portugal worst player and the cause of their failures. Apparently Bernardo Silva and Jota are cool but not Bruno. You have some on here lapping it up. Watch the games, if you think it's Brunos "ball retention" that makes Portugal average then you need to get your head checked. It's not only Bruno too. The amount of people dragging Ole down because somehow Southgate is comparable is also pretty shameful. We finished 2nd last season, we've played good football at times and most people already know our key weaknesses. Yet some seem adamant to blame Ole for how we play at times without realizing through watching any other teams the impact of personnel in key positions. We had a point where Pereira Fred and mctominay was our starting midfield. We had a point where Rashford , Martial and Lingard were our starting attack. Southgate has had a better team than most of what Oles had throughout his time here.
 

united_99

Takes pleasure in other people's pain
Joined
Jul 4, 2012
Messages
9,570
A little reality check for him.
He is clearly tired, has been overused. As he also never gets injured he didn’t even get a forced rest due to injury whereas almost all our other better players regularly get those injury rests. These injury rests (for 1-3 months!!) have allowed them to recover physically and mentally.

Also doesn’t help that
- Ole plays him all the time
- Bruno acts like a child on the rare occasions he gets benched/substituted

Hopefully with Sancho coming we can rest Bruno much more than we did last season.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
5,985
His performance in the short time he got yesterday was horrendous and would have stood out to me regardless of who was subbed in.

But anybody questioning this guy after the 18 months he’s just given us are mental :lol:
I don't think it was that one-sided. He did contribute with a couple of very good creative interventions, although I'd agree he struggled on the whole. Thought he was lucky not to cause a penalty too.
 

sullydnl

Ross Kemp's caf ID
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
34,063
Quick question - would posters take circa £100m right now?

Me - no. Lad needs a good rest.
Of course not. Whatever price he's worth generally, he's certainly worth 100m and more to us as he's our talisman and main attacking threat. Literally the first name on the teamsheet. It would be ludicrous to sell him.
 

justsomebloke

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
5,985
I think people forget what 2019/20 was like before him. For me, I feel it's the obsession with copying City's style of play deceiving people into thinking ball retention is everything. He's not Kroos, he's tasked with creating chances.

Jose also has something against him and still seems bitter about United. He's defended Kane and Southgate throughout, but despite having a good first game, is basically saying Bruno has been Portugal worst player and the cause of their failures. Apparently Bernardo Silva and Jota are cool but not Bruno. You have some on here lapping it up. Watch the games, if you think it's Brunos "ball retention" that makes Portugal average then you need to get your head checked. It's not only Bruno too. The amount of people dragging Ole down because somehow Southgate is comparable is also pretty shameful. We finished 2nd last season, we've played good football at times and most people already know our key weaknesses. Yet some seem adamant to blame Ole for how we play at times without realizing through watching any other teams the impact of personnel in key positions. We had a point where Pereira Fred and mctominay was our starting midfield. We had a point where Rashford , Martial and Lingard were our starting attack. Southgate has had a better team than most of what Oles had throughout his time here.
I agree with this. Also, I think we have to consider the connection between his weaker points and his strong ones. His most notable shortcoming, seen in isolation, is his low passing accuracy, which is by far the worst of United's midfielders. But that has to be seen in light of his role, which is to be the creative engine in an attack that emphasises swift forward movement rather than ball retention. That means playing a lot of high risk/high-reward passes, which is obviously more difficult than safe passes, and hence fail more frequently. It's a good thing that he does that. If he didn't, we'd be a much worse team offensively.
 

Forevergiggs1

Full Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2019
Messages
3,452
Location
Barcelona
Supports
United
Depends how we replace him. I don’t think he’s a £100m player so I’d certainly consider it.
Bruno is THE main reason we made the CL spot in 2019/20 and one of the biggest reasons we had a comfortable 2nd place last season. £100m right there. Call it stat paddling all you want but without his input since he's been here I wouldn't even like to guess where we'd be.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.