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Delighted with my lack of symptoms from the second one. Feeling completely fine and even my arm wasn't that sore.
How were you after the first? From a lot I’ve spoken to they tend to be fine with one and have side effects with the other. My first was no issues other than a sore arm, second knocked me out for about 24 hours.Delighted with my lack of symptoms from the second one. Feeling completely fine and even my arm wasn't that sore.
No, thankfully just a really sore arm for about 2 days then it went itself.You have anything after the first other than the sore arm? Just had my first an hour ago and felt nothing after the first but feel like I'm just waiting in anticipation for at least a headache on this one.
First one I woke up at 2am with an horrendous headache and sweats but it went by morning.How were you after the first? From a lot I’ve spoken to they tend to be fine with one and have side effects with the other. My first was no issues other than a sore arm, second knocked me out for about 24 hours.
Update: so my sore arm has gone and the fatigue/headache, but now (t.m.i) there is a slightly painful/uncomfortable lump underneath my armpit. Anyone had similar and should I be concerned?Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday, sore arm again like the last time but accompanied by fatigue and a headache feeling a bit better now though
Literally minutes after typing this I started getting the shakes, shivering feeling sick do I went to bed, now as I'm walking up I feel like I was on a mad one last night, worse than any hangover I've had in years.Yeah I had the same, but I don’t know if the tiredness was from a shit nights sleep or the jab, called in sick, my place gives us 2 days off for it. So I went back to bed slept till late and still fecked.
But with Efficacy % going from 94 to 93% then only a tiny proportion of delta could be registered if they saw a substantial fall in delta efficacy right? I mean if only 20% of research cases were delta and the efficiacy was say 80% on these the remaining 80% of cases should actually have gone up to 97% to constrain the total drop to 93%I’m sure they do know but I’ll take the headline figures with a pinch of salt until that data is released.
To be clear, I’m sure it still works well against Delta. They all do. But when you see headline efficacy % that high you have to assume it includes a lot of the earlier, more vaccine susceptible variants. And it would be fairly typical of a pharma company to trumpet the headline %, while burying the more relevant data in the small print, or in later less widely circulated press releases (and I’m saying this as someone who works in pharma!)
Sounds like you'll be grand so.First one I woke up at 2am with an horrendous headache and sweats but it went by morning.
Lymph nodes.Update: so my sore arm has gone and the fatigue/headache, but now (t.m.i) there is a slightly painful/uncomfortable lump underneath my armpit. Anyone had similar and should I be concerned?
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She’s an awful moaner. Obsessed with long covid and kids. The UK have made a deliberate decision that risks outweigh benefits in kids. The scientific community is split on this. So there’s no right or wrong approach here.Tweet
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Oh I’d never seen her before. Was just surprised how far behind we are on vaccinating teens. You’d like to think there’d be a big push before September when they’re back at school.She’s an awful moaner. Obsessed with long covid and kids. The UK have made a deliberate decision that risks outweigh benefits in kids. The scientific community is split on this. So there’s no right or wrong approach here.
I read the other day that there's a proposal to have vaccination points in schools in Italy, which would make it very easy to get the teenagers vaccinated. 30% of the 12-19 year-olds have already been fully vaccinated.Oh I’d never seen her before. Was just surprised how far behind we are on vaccinating teens. You’d like to think there’d be a big push before September when they’re back at school.
That's what they're intending to do now. It was announced yesterday that 16 and 17 year-olds are now offered vaccinations and they don't need to get approval from their parents. The advice is for healthy 12 to 15 year-olds to not take the jab though for now until more evidence has been studied.Oh I’d never seen her before. Was just surprised how far behind we are on vaccinating teens. You’d like to think there’d be a big push before September when they’re back at school.
Bloody hell. I'm no antivaxxer but sometimes there's nothing wrong with a pause for thought. The JCVI aren't engaged in some kind of campaign to reduce vaccine uptake. As usual they're trying to do a risk assessment - in the case of kids the rarity of severe cases of covid vs the possibility that the vaccine might have adverse affects. They're very open about their reasoning:Tweet
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It's a weird thing to talk/flex about, surely the focus should be around how many of the vulnerable have been jabbed? That age group and below, whilst responsible for a large amount of transmission, will probably be the least affected when it comes to the severity of the disease, so the logic of other nations chasing vaccine rates in that specific age group over more vulnerable age demographics is baffling to say the least. The JCVI have been quite transparent on why they've held back on approving for those age groups.Bloody hell. I'm no antivaxxer but sometimes there's nothing wrong with a pause for thought. The JCVI aren't engaged in some kind of campaign to reduce vaccine uptake. As usual they're trying to do a risk assessment - in the case of kids the rarity of severe cases of covid vs the possibility that the vaccine might have adverse affects. They're very open about their reasoning:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...-19-vaccination-of-young-people-aged-16-to-17
They're doing exactly the job that I want them to do, which is to weigh things up. I really don't get where campaigners like Deepti are coming from. Do they think JCVI are engaged in some kind of covert campaign to give kids long covid and trash the education system.
That said, I hope they do crack on with the 16+ jabs now they're approved. Apparently you still can't book them on the national system and GPs etc haven't received any guidance on the rollout plan (which is rumoured to suggest school based clinics).
She’s just another casualty of social media. Anyone who spends too much time on there is at huge risk of becoming so entrenched in a particular stance that they end up losing any sense of perspective. One of the most depressing things in this pandemic has been watching extremely smart academics fall prey to this phenomenon.Bloody hell. I'm no antivaxxer but sometimes there's nothing wrong with a pause for thought. The JCVI aren't engaged in some kind of campaign to reduce vaccine uptake. As usual they're trying to do a risk assessment - in the case of kids the rarity of severe cases of covid vs the possibility that the vaccine might have adverse affects. They're very open about their reasoning:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...-19-vaccination-of-young-people-aged-16-to-17
They're doing exactly the job that I want them to do, which is to weigh things up. I really don't get where campaigners like Deepti are coming from. Do they think JCVI are engaged in some kind of covert campaign to give kids long covid and trash the education system.
That said, I hope they do crack on with the 16+ jabs now they're approved. Apparently you still can't book them on the national system and GPs etc haven't received any guidance on the rollout plan (which is rumoured to suggest school based clinics).
Well, no, it’s not baffling. They see it as a way to keep overall rates low. Which will protect the most vulnerable. There’s a very clear rationale for both approaches.It's a weird thing to talk/flex about, surely the focus should be around how many of the vulnerable have been jabbed? That age group and below, whilst responsible for a large amount of transmission, will probably be the least affected when it comes to the severity of the disease, so the logic of other nations chasing vaccine rates in that specific age group over more vulnerable age demographics is baffling to say the least. The JCVI have been quite transparent on why they've held back on approving for those age groups.
Sorry, to me it's baffling. In a world of a finite/limited supply of vaccines, and other countries haven't even vaccinated their most vulnerable, vaccinating those younger age groups doesn't make much sense.Well, no, it’s not baffling. They see it as a way to keep overall rates low. Which will protect the most vulnerable. There’s a very clear rationale for both approaches.
Using that same logic you should never have vaccinated 20-30 year olds.Sorry, to me it's baffling. In a world of a finite/limited supply of vaccines, and other countries haven't even vaccinated their most vulnerable, vaccinating those younger age groups doesn't make much sense.
I'll entertain the pedanticism. The risk profile between 20-30 year olds and 17 and under are significantly different, but you know that already.Using that same logic you should never have vaccinated 20-30 year olds.
Well no. That’s not true. There isn’t a binary difference in risk between a 16 and 17 year old. Or a 19 vs 20 year old and so on. There isn’t any consensus on the precise age at which the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. Hence different approaches in different countries.I'll entertain the pedanticism. The risk profile between 20-30 year olds and 17 and under are significantly different, but you know that already.
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Sorry to hear that. I doubt if even her own doctors would be willing to give survival rates at this stage. Cases are far too individual for that.Anyone know what the current survival rate is for patients needing a ventilator? My best friends mom was just put on one this morning. She had/has pneumonia, hypertension, diabetes and a heart condition. Early 60's.
Thanks jojojo. Much appreciated.Sorry to hear that. I doubt if even her own doctors would be willing to give survival rates at this stage. Cases are far too individual for that.
That said, in the UK at least, they won't put you on a ventilator unless they think you can survive and most people going into ICU do survive.
41% mortality in one database.Anyone know what the current survival rate is for patients needing a ventilator? My best friends mom was just put on one this morning. She had/has pneumonia, hypertension, diabetes and a heart condition. Early 60's.
It's safe, the doses are the same.if you get the first vaccine but not the second (I missed the appointment)
is it safe to just get the first again?
I'm in a weird spot where it's easy to book a first and second jab again, but struggling to get an appointment for the second jab alone
I've tried calling like 5 times they just keep saying they'll get back to me but don't
yeah okay thanks, good adviceIt's safe, the doses are the same.
It will probably mess up your medical records though, which will be a big deal if this vaccine passport stuff does get important.
I think you need to try and get it sorted properly.
I dont know of any data in favor of boosters.What's the word on boosters ? I'm nearing the five month mark and am wondering if I should look into one soon, especially with the CEO of Pfizer saying efficacy goes down to 84% at 6 months.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfi...ness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html
Thanks mav41% mortality in one database.
Source: https://sccmcovid19.org/
Now that doesn't translate into her chances. Everyone is different. I've had all types of people survive and die.
Her prognosis would be quite a bit worse if she ended up needing dialysis for kidney failure.
Depends on which country you are in. In France it is logged against your SS number and you can tell them day of the trial that it is #2 not #1yeah okay thanks, good advice
I just keep getting passed around by the support team, which is annoying when it takes 40 minutes to get through!
Nice to see a heat map that isn’t showing how bad our wide players are defensively. It’s a bit confusing though. Is there a label missing from the x axis? Presumably it’s time?One for the stats visualisations fans. A heat map of hospitalisations by age, showing the massive impact of vaccines in the older age groups, between that hot spot around January and the very different looking profile seen now.
For people who like seeing numbers instead the raw data it's in a .xlsx file published by the PHE
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Another interesting file on that page looks at the data for "admitted to hospital because of covid" and "admitted to hospital, who just so happened to have covid" - answer: about 20% of the admissions who test positive for covid aren't being treated primarily for covid. It's worth noting that there's an overlap, with some who wouldn't be in hospital if they didn't also have covid, and that the "with covid" group still need special handling in hospital as they have to be located away from the uninfected.
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