we need to move on.
Yes you are correct it was a cluster feck end to the season, but it wont happen again and the result wont change.
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Yes you are correct it was a cluster feck end to the season, but it wont happen again and the result wont change.
I still haven't moved on from this guy:
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Recently, he has been identified as the second best referee in the world by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics based on statistics from 2010-2020
I'd say he lost the title due to his own poor performances in the first half of the season than anything else. Huge mistake at Imola but awful red flag rules meant he could still finish second. Huge error in Baku which cost him 25 points after fluking Max's tyre blow out. Didn't even turn up to Monaco. Big mistake in Silverstone and was fortunate to avoid damage and a fair penalty. Starting solo on the grid with the wrong tyres in Hungary was partly on him as well.
Max by comparison had a faultless season until the dirty driving in Brazil and the qualy mistake. Definitely started getting to him in the last 4-5 races how much faster the Merc had become with its rocket engine, and the mistakes and naughty driving crept in.
I would say this is a fair assessment of Lewis' season.
The sole grid start was farcical, Hungary was his fault. Monaco is not that good a race for him.
Silverstone, I thought the penalty was about right.
Lewis and Max both had chance to have the season wrapped up before the farce of Abu Dhabi.
Agree 100%
He didn't though, this is just flat out wrong and shifting the blame.
He didn't lose anything going in to the final race. Hamilton went into the final race level on points due to consistently terrible decisions by his team, terrific team strategy by Red bull, amazing driving by Verstappen, nothing more, nothing less. The reason he lost the title is because of the feck up by the race director. He did everything in that race to win the title, Verstappen started the race in p1 on faster tyres and wasn't able to do anything with that, Hamilton built a gigantic lead that only got eroded thanks to Perez parking the bus through fantastic driving, he then built up a huge lead again and only lost because of the race director. That's literally the only reason he lost the title. Everything else you mentioned has nothing to do with him losing the title, and only has anything to do with setting us up with an exciting potential finish going into the last race on level points. Verstappen did literally nothing in that last race to deserve the win and was outclassed by Lewis the entire race.The only reason he won that race is because Perez did absolute work for him, and then when he lost that lead again his team made the strategy call to pit under the SC which if the race director adhered to the rules, would have lost them the race and been looked back on as a poor tactical decision by Red Bull but because the director fecked up, ended up working out beautifully for them.
The bolded is a bit simplistic, isn't it? Hamilton lost that race because of race director decisions, but that's not the one and only point where he lost points that would have given him the title. If you want to pinpoint it to one moment, you could equally simplistically (and equally wrong overall) say that he lost the title when he messed up the Baku restart.He didn't though, this is just flat out wrong and shifting the blame.
The only reason he won that race is because Perez did absolute work for him, and then when he lost that lead again his team made the strategy call to pit under the SC which if the race director adhered to the rules, would have lost them the race and been looked back on as a poor tactical decision by Red Bull but because the director fecked up, ended up working out beautifully for them.
Whats you take on Monza?
55/45 racing incident. Probably just about worth the 3 place grid penalty that came from it.
But not really a mistake from either, both drivers taking calculated risks that didn't pay off.
I just thought it should have been mentioned in your fault lists, because although i didn't see it as bad as it was made out to be, it was still a fault by him and something that actually took out hamilton in a race where hamilton had the redbull on pace.
Faultless? Drove into lewis at monza. Brake checked him in saudi arabia. Got given 12.5 points for a race that didnt happen. Tried to drive lewis off the track and did at sao paulo. lost the title with one lap to go on the final race of the season until uncle masi intervened...
Max is in for a rude awakening this season. Russell isnt a placid bottas. Lewis is back to amend a wrong. If the ferraris are competitive they wont yield to max either. Try driving other drivers other than lewis off the track and see what happens...n
That view is a bit disingenuous though, if the race direction was followed then there wouldn't even be a discussion around things like Baku. The title was a pretty simplistic thing ultimately, it went down to the last race to decide it. Trying to use other races in the season as a balance for unprecedented race direction decisions probably isn't even the view shared within the FIA hence why we have a whole new set of race directors.
Yeh, I guess. But I think trying moves like Monza is good for F1 in general. Most world champions of present and past would have tried to take the position through that chicane with the momentum and the racing line, just as most would have done as Lewis did and try to shut the door halfway through. Backing out there is for the Bottas's of the grid not the champs.
This is just more singing from the deluded fanboy playbook. Max didn't drive into Lewis in Monza, they drove into each other side by side in the middle of a chicane. Max actually lost the chance to convert his pole into a win in Spa, and anyway, exactly how bitter and deluded do you have to be to count Spa as Max's fault? Like I already said, in the last few races, from the end of Brazil onwards, Max was clearly bricking it. Which is why we saw the desperate defending in Brazil, after a whole race of keeping a much faster car behind him, and the crash in qualifying and DRS line antics in Saudi.
Faultless? Drove into lewis at monza. Brake checked him in saudi arabia. Got given 12.5 points for a race that didnt happen. Tried to drive lewis off the track and did at sao paulo. lost the title with one lap to go on the final race of the season until uncle masi intervened...
Max is in for a rude awakening this season. Russell isnt a placid bottas. Lewis is back to amend a wrong. If the ferraris are competitive they wont yield to max either. Try driving other drivers other than lewis off the track and see what happens...n
You're right about Russell and the Ferraris though. They should all be giving both Max and Lewis a rude awakening. If Lewis is as poor in the first half of next season as he was last season, he won't just have one driver to catch up to but maybe 3 or 4.
I'll be interested to see how Max does with actual race stewards and a race director the Yanks haven't pulled from their arse. Hopefully Ferrari or another team will be up to speed too so it will be a case of everyone vs. bad racing conduct instead of this tiresome defence from his fans about the supposed motivations of his detractors.
Race director decisions are made by the FIA, who manage the sporting regulations.
You're right.
Max was in F1 before Masi became racing director. So if you're interested I'm sure you can find some footage
I know but he was a non entity.Max was in F1 before Masi became racing director. So if you're interested I'm sure you can find some footage
I'm really excited for the season. Hopefully it'll be good.
It'll be exactly the same race stewards. But unsure if you really want to see closer racing or you want processions where the only passing is sanitised DRS back straight passes.
If Ferrari do pull a blinder then about this time next year I bet I'll be reading a load of guff about how Sainz and Leclerc are viciously dirty drivers. Because you can rest assured they won't be jumping out of Hamilton's way like they did this season when their car was at least 1 second a lap slower at almost every track.
Well if they drive dirty sure... but why would they start now? They aren't known for it and most improve year on year. I don't get it?
It's really not.. That's like if we were 1-0 up and we got a trash penalty in the 95th minute despite there being only 1 minute of extra time and then saying 'we lost it in the 1st half when we didn't score more goals' like no bro, we very clearly lost it to the trash penalty that should never have happened. After all was said and done including all the mistakes you say lost it, he was still winning. So they quite clearly did not lose it for him because he was about to win despite it. The loss is solely down to that decision and nothing else. Saying otherwise is just shifting the blame from Masi where it should be, to Hamilton bizarrely for no reason. These people are on a different planet because if the rules were followed then he was quite clearly going to win despite the things they say lost it for him. Some weird fetish to use revisionism to shift the blame because as a Verstappen fan they can't bring themselves to admit that his win was gifted to him because despite all his good driving, he still wasn't good enough otherwise. Despite his 'flawless season' he was still going to lose the title. Despite his amazing out of this world never been seen before once in a lifetime performance of a season he still immediately lost the lead with faster tires from pole position. He still had to have his team mate destroy a massive lead for him so he stood a chance in the race only for him to give it up again. He still failed to capitalise on fresh tires to erode a 17 second deficit down to only 11, and he still would have lost the race despite throwing everything at Hamilton had Masi not reinvented the rule book. They went into the race level, and he did nothing himself that warranted winning that race and therefore the title. His team threw the kitchen sink against Lewis in that race and it still wasn't good enough until the race director reinvented the rules. There isn't a single Max fan on this forum who if the positions were reversed would say 'ah yeah Max lost it 6 months earlier when he made a mistake' that's just silly.
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And Hamilton still had to have a much faster car to keep up with Verstappen.
Rubbish. As we all know, first half of the season RB was quicker, second half Mercedes was quicker. It came down to getting the tyres in the right window on each track.
Max fanboys would have you believe he would have won the title last year in a haas.
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This is just blatantly false and completely void of logic as the WC is decided by who gets the most amount of points in total over the season and the only reason anyone wins the title is because they have more points than the others, not because they secured the title in the last race. You can't negate 95% of the season just because the last race ends up being a winner takes all situation, as those 95% are the very reason you end up in that situation. It's like saying that winning the CL final in 99 is literally the only reason we won the treble that year, completely ignoring that we had to get to the CL final and win the league and FA cup as well for it to happen.He didn't though, this is just flat out wrong and shifting the blame.
The only reason he won that race is because Perez did absolute work for him, and then when he lost that lead again his team made the strategy call to pit under the SC which if the race director adhered to the rules, would have lost them the race and been looked back on as a poor tactical decision by Red Bull but because the director fecked up, ended up working out beautifully for them.
Lewis forgetting to turn off his brake magic in Baku is, literally, just as decisive for him losing the title as what Masi did (and yes I think it was a terrible call by Masi, or whoever made him do it).
Neither driver may not have won or lost anything before going in to the final race, but that still doesn't make the points from the final race more important than the points they had scored (or missed out on) previously.
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Boring and inaccurate, go live in the 2021 thread
Crazy
and some of the Lewis fans are the same.Rubbish. As we all know, first half of the season RB was quicker, second half Mercedes was quicker. It came down to getting the tyres in the right window on each track.
Max fanboys would have you believe he would have won the title last year in a haas.
Radical doesn't always mean fast but Red Bull have had Newey sitting at his pencil workstation for about 3 years working on that thing, it's bound to be a rocket.
Merc looks really conservative in comparison to RB/Ferrari but knowing them they are probably working on a solid baseline and then will add something crazy at the end of the test.
Merc looks really conservative in comparison to RB/Ferrari but knowing them they are probably working on a solid baseline and then will add something crazy at the end of the test.
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Hamilton was significantly faster than Max over the last third of the season.
These pics just makes it feel more and more likely that one team will have got it right and they'll end up being miles ahead of the rest. I really hope I'm wrong but the chances of them having similar performance feels a lot slimmer when the cars are this different, although it's not impossible obviously. Wouldn't surprise me if we'll see more pronounced differences between the cars depending on what type of track it is than we have before as well.
Crazy
Whats the reason for this week test doesnt have live TV coverage? Anyone knows?
they use this week to see who is fastest and decide which team/driver they will try and nobble to create a narrative for a forthcoming west end musical.
Thats pretty wild
i can expect a lot of complaints about the red bull coming up
only if it’s faster.i can expect a lot of complaints about the red bull coming up