Cheers, that's my hope and can't wait for an even better season than last
F1 2022 Season
- Thread starter pauldyson1uk
- Start date
Did not realise that they are heavier. Any idea by how much?
40kg
Wow. Surprised at that.
Thanks.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
I agree we should move on from last season for sure. I just take issue when people shift the blame by saying the reason something was lost was because of something that happened earlier when that clearly isn't the case. If you are winning, and then all of a sudden you are not, the reason for a loss is the very last thing that happened that caused that winning situation to turn into a losing one. The reason I might get hit by a bus tomorrow is because I decide to cross the street without looking both ways, not because of something I did last week. Saying Lewis lost it because of something that happened months ago is just dumb, because quite clearly that's not the case because he was about to win despite it. The loss is simply down the Masi's decision, because without that decision it was not going to be a loss.
Except it isn't. The rules literally state that in that scenario the race would have finished under the safety car which would make Lewis the winner. So it's not blatantly false at all, or void of logic. It's the literal interpretation of the rules. The situation was they were level on points and in a situation where the rulebook placed Lewis as the winner of the race. End of story. If the rules were followed then Lewis forgetting his brake magic in Baki would not be the reason he lost, because he would have won. You're describing factors for why Lewis went into the race level on points instead of ahead, not reasons why Lewis lost the title. Lewis was about to win the title until the rule book was torn up, thus the reason he lost was because of that. That does not negate 95% of the season at all, it just frames it properly in that the season set up the finale which came down to the result of one race. You are advocating for the equivalent of losing the premier league to a blatantly disgraceful decision in the last minute of the league and saying the reason we lost is because De Gea didn't come off his line 8 months ago to collect a ball on a cold Tuesday night against Stoke. That's just farcical because everybody in the sport makes mistakes at all times that balance each other out. Lewis is not making mistakes where Verstappen is not and vice versa. Those things explain why they went into the race level on points, not why they lost the title. If the roles were reversed and it was Verstappen that was fecked over in that manner and any Hamilton fan said that Verstappen lost the title because of something he did 6 months ago they'd be laughed out of the thread.
Last edited:
On a side note, Mick seems to be taking to his car well. Only 23 laps and hanging with Verstappen and Alonso who did 147 and 127 respectively.
Money. Bahrain paid a lot of money to be able to show them on track for the first time.
first time I have heard money, this is the official FIA stance.
Formula 1 has officially confirmed its 2022 pre-season testing dates, with two three-day tests taking place in Barcelona and Bahrain – and the first of them officially regarded as a ‘shakedown’ and held largely in private.
The 2022 Formula 1 cars built to all-new technical regulations will run in public for the first time at Barcelona on February 23-25.
Also a good reminder to not follow the line painting crews
Car looks better like that, they should keep it.
Using statements like that in any post means your position is automatically undermined. To assume that you know more than everyone else, you've interpreted everything they've said correctly, there's no grey areas and they simply have to go away and 'educate themselves' to get to your level is childish in the extreme.
I think the issue here is you guys are talking somewhat at cross purposes. Yes, a world title is of course won over the course of a season but when something so egregious occurs in the last race its churlish to not point to it.
If we were to consider a game of football representing the F1 season, you could argue the two slides have slugged out a 2-2 draw, both sides have missed some chances but they've played each other to a standstill. Then in the 95th minute one side gets a phantom goal that doesn't cross the line. Its 100% natural for the losing fans to say the phantom goal cost them the game and of course the winning fans could point to missed chances costing the losers the game. But the difference is the missed chances are part of the game and both sides missed chances (just like both Max and Lewis had good drives, had bad drives, made mistakes etc.) whereas the phantom goal is outside the laws of the game so has to draw greater weight.
We all will point to shit that's gone against our teams (Scholes' disallowed goal against Mourinho's Porto, the hand of God, Nani's red card against Madrid, Ronaldinho's lob against Seaman etc.), but I doubt many of us say "well we lost that across the duration of the game", its always the big moments that will live on, and the Masi direction was a massive moment that will define the 2021 season forever.
The Red Bull looks quite different in a few areas around the side and rear plus matched McLaren on front suspension and front nose. I reckon they may even start slow but will have a lot of potential to unlock. Newey has clearly put his stance on the regs early on!
I’m still concerned that Merc have that Brazil/fresh engine upgraded to run at peak power for longer. I don’t think Honda would’ve done much because they brought their engine upgrade forwards last year and I expect Ferrari to catch up but not surpass Merc.
Imagine we start where we left off, Hamilton (better engine, good aero) and Max (better aero, good engine) way out in front of everyone else. I don’t think I could do it again…
I’m still concerned that Merc have that Brazil/fresh engine upgraded to run at peak power for longer. I don’t think Honda would’ve done much because they brought their engine upgrade forwards last year and I expect Ferrari to catch up but not surpass Merc.
Imagine we start where we left off, Hamilton (better engine, good aero) and Max (better aero, good engine) way out in front of everyone else. I don’t think I could do it again…
I think this will be the way. McLaren might be a dark horse though because they've gone a similar aero route as the Red Bull. If that turns out to be the right path then McLaren will have the best of both worlds, given the Merc will almost certainly be the fastest engine.
What are the odds the Russian GP will be cancelled
It needs to be dropped, but FIA are money hungry vultures who will do deals with any regime no matter how despicable.
True and in haas they pretty much have a Russian team, also Saudi Arabia have a GP with the shit they get up to
If poor Mazepin thought he was unpopular last season.. woah boy.
It'll depend on the sanctions to a degree, whether teams can actually physically get there. Morally, the FIA is questionable.
Never trust the FIA to do the right thing.
If FIA don't cancell it and FIFA doesn't cancel St.Petersburg they are morally completely corrupt.
I give either a 5% chance of cancellation.
I give either a 5% chance of cancellation.
I admire your optimism.
Think I just read in the Indy that FIFA are cancelling the St Petersburg arena fixture being played there.
edit. No, just drawing up plans. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ons-league-final-russia-ukraine-b2022178.html
Surely Russia can't go on.
It has to be, there is no chance it can go ahead.
If FIA don't cancel it, can the teams boycott it ?
It has to be cancelled, from twitter it looks like turkey could be the replacement as they were advertising tickets for it yesterday, they would also be kicked from the WC qualifications and CL final.
Perez suffers gearbox failure on day 2 of testing and alot of teams are struggling with porposing. Mercedes particularly suffering from it. Link at bottom explaining "porposing".
One thing that was mentioned is that as ground effect is so important to the cars, teams cant afford damage to the undertray of the cars therefore less likely this season that they will be riding curbs our going off track for a better racing line. Which is a good thing, as i hate it when they dont stay within the boundaries of the race track.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-the-old-ground-effect-obstacle-facing-f1-teams/
One thing that was mentioned is that as ground effect is so important to the cars, teams cant afford damage to the undertray of the cars therefore less likely this season that they will be riding curbs our going off track for a better racing line. Which is a good thing, as i hate it when they dont stay within the boundaries of the race track.
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-the-old-ground-effect-obstacle-facing-f1-teams/
Vettel has said he won’t be going there but it’s never that easy, they’re all contracted to race so whole event needs to be canned.
Interesting report on the Merc.
You have to wonder whether this was noticeable in simulations. Enough teams suffering you'd think someone noticed the ride height changing?
Fair play
.
Depends on whether that was simulated correctly I guess.
UEFA have acted pretty quickly, let's see how the FIA compare.
Apparently you cant simulate for this, as it varies track to track. I was surprised.
I agree with that, well put.
It’s down to Liberty, not the FIA. It’ll be a commercial discussion with the promoter.
Fair play to Vettel though.
Interesting how today's event will affect Haas now. Driver, sponsor and even livery has a Russian flag on it.
Edit. As I'm typing this, Uralkali branding has been taken off the car for the final Barcelona testing.
Edit. As I'm typing this, Uralkali branding has been taken off the car for the final Barcelona testing.