[Frank Grimes]

He can be good on the ball sometimes except when he tries to dribble or hold off 2/3 players. Problem is he is always rubbish off it. Also he's back long enough now to be playing more than an hour. Needs replacing.

 

[Rozay]

Really is struggling to do a full 90 at the moment. His fitness is as poor as I remember it being. The game is becoming faster and faster, and while he has fantastic ability - I think he will struggle more and more as the game gets quicker and quicker.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Isn't he meant to be the big game changer for us? The real difference maker?

Since his return we've only won 2 games. Brighton and Leeds. And Brighton had a man sent off just after HT let's not forget.

We've lost to Middlesbrough, drawn to Southampton, Burnley and Watford in the league. We've also drawn away to Atletico where we were pretty woeful for 75 mins.

Think we need to stop pretending we are going to be hopeless without him. It's simply not true.

 

[Rozay]

Isn't he meant to be the big game changer for us? The real difference maker?

Since his return we've only won 2 games. Brighton and Leeds. And Brighton had a man sent off just after HT let's not forget.

We've lost to Middlesbrough, drawn to Southampton, Burnley and Watford in the league. We've also drawn away to Atletico where we were pretty woeful for 75 mins.

Think we need to stop pretending we are going to be hopeless without him. It's simply not true.

Yep. Clearly, he isn’t winning us enough football matches.

 

[Ali Dia]

Isn't he meant to be the big game changer for us? The real difference maker?

Since his return we've only won 2 games. Brighton and Leeds. And Brighton had a man sent off just after HT let's not forget.

We've lost to Middlesbrough, drawn to Southampton, Burnley and Watford in the league. We've also drawn away to Atletico where we were pretty woeful for 75 mins.

Think we need to stop pretending we are going to be hopeless without him. It's simply not true.

i could handle him not being a regular match winner if he just consistently did the basics very well and drove the team. Still looks well off the pace but I understand full fitness may still take another few weeks. Unfit and languid isn’t going to be an effective combination for a central midfielder in this league.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

He's always going to be the one that got away. Such hype and promise and so very little payback.

 

[Abraxas]

What was he up to in this game? His movement and energy towards the end was like a decrepit pensioner. Was that cramp/injury or just poor fitness?

 

[Jeppers7]

Isn't he meant to be the big game changer for us? The real difference maker?

Since his return we've only won 2 games. Brighton and Leeds. And Brighton had a man sent off just after HT let's not forget.

We've lost to Middlesbrough, drawn to Southampton, Burnley and Watford in the league. We've also drawn away to Atletico where we were pretty woeful for 75 mins.

Think we need to stop pretending we are going to be hopeless without him. It's simply not true.

Pure agenda….no surprise.

Our results have followed similar patterns all season.

Only in the Pogba thread can he be blamed for Bruno missing open nets left right and centre, or one on ones. Or Ronaldo missing chance after chance week after week.

Our performances under Ralf are improving as a team, some individuals like Sancho and Pogba are playing well. Elanga, who missed a sitter on Saturday but played extremely well, has come in and is starting to look like a first team player. Our back four is looking more solid. Why aren’t results coming…..Can only be Pogba’s fault.

 

[Borys]

So what happens once we're out of top 4? It doesn't make sense to play him, but do we have anybody to try in midfield in the last stage of the season?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Pure agenda….no surprise.

Our results have followed similar patterns all season.

Only in the Pogba thread can he be blamed for Bruno missing open nets left right and centre, or one on ones. Or Ronaldo missing chance after chance week after week.

Our performances under Ralf are improving as a team, some individuals like Sancho and Pogba are playing well. Elanga, who missed a sitter on Saturday but played extremely well, has come in and is starting to look like a first team player. Our back four is looking more solid. Why aren’t results coming…..Can only be Pogba’s fault.

Why am I the only one with an agenda? You have an agenda to support him no matter what. What's the difference?

It's an embarrassment that 5 and bit years on you're all still digging in.

You all kept saying when he was out how much of a difference it would make when he's back. Well he's back and we are still crap.

 

[The Original]

Why am I the only one with an agenda? You have an agenda to support him no matter what. What's the difference?

It's an embarrassment that 5 and bit years on you're all still digging in.

You all kept saying when he was out how much of a difference it would make when he's back. Well he's back and we are still crap.

He's been by far the best player since he returned. There was never any reasonable expectation that Paul Pogba alone would win the games for Man Utd - you retrospectively inventing such a standard and then coming round to beat him with it is is the most pathetic thing I've seen on the internet this year.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

He's been by far the best player since he returned. There was never any reasonable expectation that Paul Pogba alone would win the games for Man Utd - you retrospectively inventing such a standard and then coming round to beat him with it is is the most pathetic thing I've seen on the internet this year.

Has he? Games where we didn't beat championship sides and the team bottom of the PL?

He's had a few good games but his last two against Atletico and Watford he was awful.

Pogba is finished. Fans need to move on. He's never ever going to fulfill that potential he had.

 

[The Original]

Has he? Games where we didn't beat championship sides and the team bottom of the PL?

He's had a few good games but his last two against Atletico and Watford he was awful.

Pogba is finished. Fans need to move on. He's never ever going to fulfill that potential he had.

Didn't watch the Athletico game, but against Watford, he put it on a platter for Bruno and then for Elanga. Is football not a team sport anymore? Which footballer can be held up to this standard??

And who has been better?

Give it a rest.

 

[Godfather]

Has he? Games where we didn't beat championship sides and the team bottom of the PL?

He's had a few good games but his last two against Atletico and Watford he was awful.

Pogba is finished. Fans need to move on. He's never ever going to fulfill that potential he had.

In what world was he awful against Watford? Were you even watching the game? If we had even half decent finishers he'd go out with two assists on that night. You can't lay it up better than he did for Elanga and Bruno. Both completely hysterical in front of goal.

 

[Jeppers7]

Why am I the only one with an agenda? You have an agenda to support him no matter what. What's the difference?

It's an embarrassment that 5 and bit years on you're all still digging in.

You all kept saying when he was out how much of a difference it would make when he's back. Well he's back and we are still crap.

Because you’re in here criticising him and blaming him for something that isn’t his fault.

Other players who have been far more to blame individually through poor performances and also through just downright wastefulness with great chances…..you’re not in their threads criticising their contribution. You’re just here going results/blame regardless of performance and contribution

 

[Borys]

Has he? Games where we didn't beat championship sides and the team bottom of the PL?

He's had a few good games but his last two against Atletico and Watford he was awful.

Pogba is finished. Fans need to move on. He's never ever going to fulfill that potential he had.

I think he was pretty good against Watford. But we need him against the likes of Atletico, and he's not up to it clearly.

 

[Ali Dia]

I think he was pretty good against Watford. But we need him against the likes of Atletico, and he's not up to it clearly.

We were also better when he went off against Atletico. Our midfield started to dig in and move the ball forward faster. The game was totally passing him by

 

[Red Shorts]

Out of all the players over the past 6 weeks, he is one of the few that deserves blame for the overall results

 

[Rozay]

Guys at some point you’re going to just let @Nou_Camp99 have his position on this. His views are clearly entrenched, they are occasionally rational/logical - often they are not. But it’s clear, he doesn’t like/rate the player, and will go out of his way to make that point in whatever context. Today it is as simplistic as ‘since he’s come back, our results haven’t been great, so he’s a let down’. Another day, it will be ‘he’s only scored 100 goals in the last 100 years’ or something like that.

We do this as footy fans, even when we try not to. His mind will not be changed, just as some of yours will not be changed on other players. We are all somewhat partizan, and will typically see what we want. Ultimately, we haven’t gotten results of late. If we are to pick Pogba (who has objectively been amongst our better performers in recent games) and say it is down to him, we could pick any player. And different posters will pick different players. Nou Camp will always pick Pogba, some will always pick Maguire etc. Best not to even argue it anymore.

 

[lost7]

Guys at some point you’re going to just let @Nou_Camp99 have his position on this. His views are clearly entrenched, they are occasionally rational/logical - often they are not. But it’s clear, he doesn’t like/rate the player, and will go out of his way to make that point in whatever context. Today it is as simplistic as ‘since he’s come back, our results haven’t been great, so he’s a let down’. Another day, it will be ‘he’s only scored 100 goals in the last 100 years’ or something like that.

We do this as footy fans, even when we try not to. His mind will not be changed, just as some of yours will not be changed on other players. We are all somewhat partizan, and will typically see what we want. Ultimately, we haven’t gotten results of late. If we are to pick Pogba (who has objectively been amongst our better performers in recent games) and say it is down to him, we could pick any player. And different posters will pick different players. Nou Camp will always pick Pogba, some will always pick Maguire etc. Best not to even argue it anymore.

Good post

 

[Jeppers7]

Guys at some point you’re going to just let @Nou_Camp99 have his position on this. His views are clearly entrenched, they are occasionally rational/logical - often they are not. But it’s clear, he doesn’t like/rate the player, and will go out of his way to make that point in whatever context. Today it is as simplistic as ‘since he’s come back, our results haven’t been great, so he’s a let down’. Another day, it will be ‘he’s only scored 100 goals in the last 100 years’ or something like that.

We do this as footy fans, even when we try not to. His mind will not be changed, just as some of yours will not be changed on other players. We are all somewhat partizan, and will typically see what we want. Ultimately, we haven’t gotten results of late. If we are to pick Pogba (who has objectively been amongst our better performers in recent games) and say it is down to him, we could pick any player. And different posters will pick different players. Nou Camp will always pick Pogba, some will always pick Maguire etc. Best not to even argue it anymore.

Good post.

 

[Jeppers7]

We were also better when he went off against Atletico. Our midfield started to dig in and move the ball forward faster. The game was totally passing him by

So you wouldn’t play him in the return leg? We also made four subs in that game and it was Elanga who had the biggest impact. But you’re the same as NouCamp. Regardless of how Pogba plays you’re always going to look for a negative slant.

As Rozay says above. It’a pretty pointless you’re entrenched in looking for negatives with this player.

 

[Ali Dia]

So you wouldn’t play him in the return leg? We also made four subs in that game and it was Elanga who had the biggest impact. But you’re the same as NouCamp. Regardless of how Pogba plays you’re always going to look for a negative slant.

As Rozay says above. It’a pretty pointless you’re entrenched in looking for negatives with this player.

It depends which Pogba shows up. If it’s a repeat performance then no i really wouldn’t. I’d be trying to take control of the game from the off and not be content with someone just doing some pretty stuff on the periphery while we get cut through over and over. He also kept giving the ball away when we did have it. It was a really bad midfield performance unfortunately. If he shows up and does the basics really well I’ll be delighted.

 

[Stadjer]

Guys at some point you’re going to just let @Nou_Camp99 have his position on this. His views are clearly entrenched, they are occasionally rational/logical - often they are not. But it’s clear, he doesn’t like/rate the player, and will go out of his way to make that point in whatever context. Today it is as simplistic as ‘since he’s come back, our results haven’t been great, so he’s a let down’. Another day, it will be ‘he’s only scored 100 goals in the last 100 years’ or something like that.

We do this as footy fans, even when we try not to. His mind will not be changed, just as some of yours will not be changed on other players. We are all somewhat partizan, and will typically see what we want. Ultimately, we haven’t gotten results of late. If we are to pick Pogba (who has objectively been amongst our better performers in recent games) and say it is down to him, we could pick any player. And different posters will pick different players. Nou Camp will always pick Pogba, some will always pick Maguire etc. Best not to even argue it anymore.

Sad but true.

I wonder if he even enjoys watching Manchester United when Pogba does play well. Ever since Pogba returned he has been playing well (not Atletico though), made some great passes and created some very good chances that should have been assists (that were missed by terrible finishing). Since his return Pogba has mostly shown that NouCamp isnt right, must be pretty confronting to watch someone proving that you are wrong.

 

[VP89]

Pogba and Bruno are best applied for teams sitting back and deep. Neither are very press resistant so I dont think they work together for some opponents.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Pogba and Bruno are best applied for teams sitting back and deep. Neither are very press resistant so I dont think they work together for some opponents.

Neither is particularly good defensively (Bruno presses decently to be fair) or has that much pace to them as well. They're excellent players but more the kind who you need to cover a little for, tactically rather than put next to each other. It can work, as can any combination, but it's not a winning combination.

 

[Rozay]

Pogba and Bruno are best applied for teams sitting back and deep. Neither are very press resistant so I dont think they work together for some opponents.

I suspect neither player, for varying reasons, will be a part of the next successful United side.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Sad but true.

I wonder if he even enjoys watching Manchester United when Pogba does play well. Ever since Pogba returned he has been playing well (not Atletico though), made some great passes and created some very good chances that should have been assists (that were missed by terrible finishing). Since his return Pogba has mostly shown that NouCamp isnt right, must be pretty confronting to watch someone proving that you are wrong.

Nobody was happier than I was when he came back. I thought we'd signed one of the best midfielders in the game.

Feel badly let down with what we've seen. Some on here are kidding themselves about his time here. I means it's actually laughable that some on here think he's been a good signing for us.

It's been a disastrous reunion in truth for a variety of reasons. Value for money, his agent, his injury record and the fact he's going to leave for nothing again.

I have always said he's got bags of talent but talent alone isn't enough.

 

[VP89]

Neither is particularly good defensively (Bruno presses decently to be fair) or has that much pace to them as well. They're excellent players but more the kind who you need to cover a little for, tactically rather than put next to each other. It can work, as can any combination, but it's not a winning combination.

Exactly.

I suspect neither player, for varying reasons, will be a part of the next successful United side.

I think Bruno certainly can. He was proven to be standout in proloned periods under an atrocious manager. Definitely need to cater for him but with a 6 he can be part of a well oiled machine.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Exactly.

I think Bruno certainly can. He was proven to be standout in proloned periods under an atrocious manager. Definitely need to cater for him but with a 6 he can be part of a well oiled machine.

Maybe. But it's one thing to stand out in a poor team and another to be a vital cog in a brilliant unit.

 

[VP89]

Maybe. But it's one thing to stand out in a poor team and another to be a vital cog in a brilliant unit.

To be fair he was standout for a long while in the entire Premier League let alone for Manchester United

 

[amolbhatia50k]

To be fair he was standout for a long while in the entire Premier League let alone for Manchester United

In a dysfunctional team. Like I said playing with other excellent players or part of an excellent cohesive is also a skill. Let's see if it happens for Bruno and us.

 

[Jeppers7]

It depends which Pogba shows up. If it’s a repeat performance then no i really wouldn’t. I’d be trying to take control of the game from the off and not be content with someone just doing some pretty stuff on the periphery while we get cut through over and over. He also kept giving the ball away when we did have it. It was a really bad midfield performance unfortunately. If he shows up and does the basics really well I’ll be delighted.

Could say that for any player. Since his return to the side he has hardly been ‘just doing pretty stuff’ he’s been one of our best players as usual. Results would’ve been better were it not for others missing open nets or having 50% pass completion.

But as I said your mind is made up already. It’s always Pogba’s fault. Bizarre.

 

[Jeppers7]

To be fair he was standout for a long while in the entire Premier League let alone for Manchester United

He’s been poor for much longer than he was good.

 

[Ali Dia]

Could say that for any player. Since his return to the side he has hardly been ‘just doing pretty stuff’ he’s been one of our best players as usual. Results would’ve been better were it not for others missing open nets or having 50% pass completion.

But as I said your mind is made up already. It’s always Pogba’s fault. Bizarre.

This isn’t some academy kid that needs a break. This is a fella who wants to be one the highest paid players in the world letting our biggest game of the season totally pass him by and getting subbed off and us doing much better without him. If you don’t see that as a problem then I don’t know else to say. You can’t take any criticism of the player in a balanced way whatsoever. He goes missing in far too many games and you’re on here defending him after each one. Now that’s bizarre

 

[Jeppers7]

I suspect neither player, for varying reasons, will be a part of the next successful United side.

Pogba will leave in the summer. Bruno at this rate is great for himself and his stats but not great for the function of the team. Sancho for example is a player I expect would thrive in a functioning side. We need better ball retention than 50-60% for that. Bruno, in some time, could end up having a RVN affect when he leaves.

 

[VP89]

In a dysfunctional team. Like I said playing with other excellent players or part of an excellent cohesive is also a skill. Let's see if it happens for Bruno and us.

Yeah but my point is that his own individual performances relative to the very best of the PL was still top or thereabouts.

I think from there its not far fetched to insinuate a very good manager can help maintain that level.

 

[Jeppers7]

This isn’t some academy kid that needs a break. This is a fella who wants to be one the highest paid players in the world letting our biggest game of the season totally pass him by and getting subbed off and us doing much better without him. If you don’t see that as a problem then I don’t know else to say. You can’t take any criticism of the player in a balanced way whatsoever. He goes missing in far too many games and you’re on here defending him after each one

Since he’s come back into the side that’s the one bad game he’s had. Other players have had one good game in that time and actually cost us games, then Pogba is blamed. I don’t see you in other threads blaming them when they were in fact worse in that Atleti game.

 

[VP89]

He’s been poor for much longer than he was good.

No he hasn't. But you can disagree, that's fine.

 

[Rozay]

Maybe. But it's one thing to stand out in a poor team and another to be a vital cog in a brilliant unit.

This is it. I don’t see Bruno being part of the best team in Europe, as I see him as almost being in contradiction to a team playing better than everyone else. He’s amongst the best around at doing the last bit, but is poor, in my opinion, at doing the bit before that. We can say that we can ‘build around’ and have two behind who deal with the rest - but I don’t think two is enough, personally.

I’d rather a team where goals and assists come from more players, which is more likely to happen the better the collective is. Simply, to me, Bruno often makes our team attain better results, but he doesn’t make our team play better, generally speaking, in my opinion.

As for Pogba, biggest issue is that he can’t press, and he is not a 20 goal midfielder either. He’s a very talented facilitator, but in a 3, he doesn’t offer outrageous contribution going either backwards or forward. To consist in all occasions, he will need to be better at one of the two. As a result, ideal situations exist where he can and likely will be the best player on the pitch. But in other situations, he can become a problem.