F1 2022 Season

[avgp_1]

Yeah shame he couldn't get a car that was competitive post the reg changes. Didn't seem interested trundling around the back. Hope he can enjoy his retirement.


Him, Alonso and Hamilton have defined the past 15 years or so of F1. Disappointing to see him walkaway, hope atleast Alonso sticks around next year and Alpine get him a car that can at least achieve podiums

 

[Evans999]

I think Seb will have triple crown ambitions.

 

[elmo]

End of an era.

Him and Kimi were my favourites and now they’re both going to be out of the grid.

 

[avgp_1]

Hope we can see both Sargeant (Williams) and Piastri(AM) next year in F1

 

[antsmithmk]

Understandable. Unlike Hamilton, who also has avid interests outside the sport, he doesn't have a team capable of winning a title next season so it makes sense for him to retire and focus on those other bits and bobs. Good bloke. Hated him at Red Bull and he's turned into one of my favourites on the grid. Will miss him.

I'm the same and I can't seem to put my finger on exactly why I hated him at Red Bull so much. I think it's more of a Horner and Red Bull thing as I really dislike Max and I've gone off Checo in the last 18 months.

It'll be interesting to see if this triggers a mini driver merry go round. I can't see Aston Martin making any giant leaps up the grid for next year so I don't see many of the midfield drivers wanting the seat. Hulkenberg would seem to be the most likely candidate without a seat currently? Danny Ric when he's got the sack at McLaren?!

 

[antsmithmk]

Hope we can see both Sargeant (Williams) and Piastri(AM) next year in F1

Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.

 

[Evans999]

Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.

I agree, can't see it being anybody else.

 

[United Hobbit]

I'd love for Vettel to join the Sky commentary team, he was on Top Gear once and he was hilarious.

Nicole Rosberg joins remotely, and I think for not every episode, so maybe Seb could do the episodes he doesn't? If he did them remotely like Rosberg, it would allow him to stay home with his family, who he wants to spend more time with

I'm not surprised he's fallen out of love with it, having to drive that terrible car, especially if he's more focused on his campaigning and family now. Could see him and Lewis linking up to do something for LGBTQ

 

[avgp_1]

Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.

It could be something like the loan deal they were trying to work out with Williams, Alpine don't have a seat available till Alonso is still around.

 

[F-Red]

There were rumours back in May around Mick Schumacher potentially going to AM.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I'd love for Vettel to join the Sky commentary team, he was on Top Gear once and he was hilarious.

Nicole Rosberg joins remotely, and I think for not every episode, so maybe Seb could do the episodes he doesn't? If he did them remotely like Rosberg, it would allow him to stay home with his family, who he wants to spend more time with

I'm not surprised he's fallen out of love with it, having to drive that terrible car, especially if he's more focused on his campaigning and family now. Could see him and Lewis linking up to do something for LGBTQ

The top Gear episode was when I started to change my mind about him, he was funny.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.

Hulkenberg would be my choice also.

 

[Red Shorts]

Hulkenberg would be my choice also.

Definitely, really like the Hulk and was gutted when he crashed out when a podium was on the cards (Hockenheim if I remember?).

As for Vettel, disliked him massively when at Red Bull, but as soon as he moved to Ferrari he became one of my favourite drivera

 

[laughtersassassin]

Dishonesty and disingenuity are Horner's default settings. Honestly if that guy told me the sun was hot I'd start questioning everything I thought I knew.

No different to Toto who said he wants the rules changed for "Saftey"

 

[stu_1992]

Sad to see Seb go. As others have mentioned at one point I was sick of him, but that was just the Red Bull dominace at the time which made it boring, similar to Lewis at Mercedes for a time. Began to appreciate him much more at Ferrari, although his mistakes at times when wheel-to wheel were frustrating. Have huge respect for him though for what he's accomplished in the sport and he seems like a really great guy outside the sport. The fact he's been so open about human rights and other social issues in the last few years is abolsutely amazing with the platform he has.

 

[vangagal]

Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.

 

[slyadams]

No different to Toto who said he wants the rules changed for "Saftey"

Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.

 

[antsmithmk]

Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.

Lots of decent, hardworking folk in that team. Stroll might not be your cup of tea but I wouldn't want AM to fold. They are proper racers.

 

[antsmithmk]

There were rumours back in May around Mick Schumacher potentially going to AM.

That would be a step backwards for Mick, so I doubt this would be his preference. Given that he has put in some decent performances recently I think Haas will have him in their car next season.

 

[Evans999]

Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.

That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.

Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money

 

[redshaw]

I remember Vettel being the new young guy getting in the way of Hamilton at Interlagos when battling Massa for the title, somehow he's got older than Lewis.

 

[F-Red]

That would be a step backwards for Mick, so I doubt this would be his preference. Given that he has put in some decent performances recently I think Haas will have him in their car next season.

I wouldn't call it a step backwards, only if you're looking performance at this moment in time. Gene Haas is putting zero money into that team on developing the ar and the development improvements they'll find over the next few seasons will be from whatever Ferrari output through 'reliability' updates to the engine or whatever parts come down the line. Whilst struggling at the moment, Aston Martin have got significant investment and key personnel to drag it up the grid.

That said, given Mick's recent performances might change Haas's mind from back in May when his accidents were causing the team a lot of money. Pastry won't be at Alpine so he'll be loaned out, you could even see him at McLaren if Ricciardo goes & he could go to Aston Martin. Come Spa we'll begin to see the movers and shakers on the grid.

 

[vangagal]

That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.

Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money

That talentless driver still behind uunmotivated soon to be retired Vettel in driver standing. Vettel even miss 2 races this year and he still couldnt beat him.
Whats Norris have to do with Stroll? Even Hamilton wouldnt get far in karting without his dad's money. This sports need money to go far of course but when your driver skills not up to requirement, criticism bound to flog on you.
For the amount of money and whats AM aspire to be, Stroll is not your driver.

 

[dinostar77]

Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.

Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.

Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.

However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.

I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.

Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.

Not really. He said Max deserved to crash in Silverstone to learn a lesson. What's lesson was that considering his driver was fully at fault for that incident?

Pretty scummy. They all say stupid stuff.

Toto Horner is like the F1 equivalent of Jose and Fergie, who cares what they say. They are all understandably complete and utter hypocrites. It's fairly common in elite sport.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.

They are equally bad and ridiculous and if you feel differently you are betraying your own bias, end of story

 

[11101]

Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.

Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.

Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.

However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.

I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.

Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.

I think he's about a one championship driver. Brilliant on his day and deserving of a WDC, but he doesn't get more than one without a hugely dominant car.

He's a better driver than Leclerc. Not better than Hamilton. It remains to be seen about Max.

 

[slyadams]

They are equally bad and ridiculous and if you feel differently you are betraying your own bias, end of story

”If you think differently from me you’re biased, end of story”. Frankly a pathetic stance.

I simply don’t agree. If anything whatsoever goes against red bull you can be 100% sure Horner will be in the press complaining and playing the victim, I just don’t see toto doing that to the same degree. It’s OK for us to disagree.

 

[RC89]

Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.

Most people would compare favourably against Horner.

 

[RC89]

That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.

Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money

Yeah, agree that Stroll isn't actually that bad. His father's done a terrible job with the team since they lost their tracing paper but I've seen a lot worse than Stroll.

 

[RC89]

Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.

Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.

Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.

However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.

I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.

Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.

I think this is a pretty fair assessment. He did have the best car in those 4 championships, but you've also got to make sure you don't lose it, which is easily done in F1 with the slightest of mistakes. He also showed he can handle the pressure of a chasing pack in 2012.

All that being said, he isn't lightning quick nor an exceptional wheel to wheel driver like Lewis or Max. He was a good driver with an incredible trophy haul. Sadly, he faded terribly after Lewis crushed his spirit.

 

[NM]

I think this is a pretty fair assessment. He did have the best car in those 4 championships, but you've also got to make sure you don't lose it, which is easily done in F1 with the slightest of mistakes. He also showed he can handle the pressure of a chasing pack in 2012.

All that being said, he isn't lightning quick nor an exceptional wheel to wheel driver like Lewis or Max. He was a good driver with an incredible trophy haul. Sadly, he faded terribly after Lewis crushed his spirit.

Agree with everything except Ferrari crushed him like they do almost every driver not named Schumacher

 

[Red Shorts]

I think he's about a one championship driver. Brilliant on his day and deserving of a WDC, but he doesn't get more than one without a hugely dominant car.

He's a better driver than Leclerc. Not better than Hamilton. It remains to be seen about Max.

To your points:

Too early to judge
agreed
no debate Max is better.

1st point is the most controversial for me. There is more than a decade apart between the drivers, and LeClerc has shown a lot that he will be a top driver for the next period of drivers. Max will likely end up being one of the most decorated drivers so your 3rd comment is the only one that is most accurate in my view

 

[RC89]

Agree with everything except Ferrari crushed him like they do almost every driver not named Schumacher

Yes, Ferrari played their part too. Binotto threw him under the bus. From what I gather, Binottos not very much liked by Ferrari fans either.

 

[11101]

To your points:

Too early to judge
agreed
no debate Max is better.

1st point is the most controversial for me. There is more than a decade apart between the drivers, and LeClerc has shown a lot that he will be a top driver for the next period of drivers. Max will likely end up being one of the most decorated drivers so your 3rd comment is the only one that is most accurate in my view

I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.

Max himself hasn't done much wrong so far but he needs to win a title without a helping hand before he can sit above a 4 time champion.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.

Max himself hasn't done much wrong so far but he needs to win a title without a helping hand before he can sit above a 4 time champion.

Totally agree.

I'd like to have faith in Leclerc but I don't see that killer instinct that gives him that extra edge against the likes of Hamilton, Alonso or even Max.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.

The only links are Otmar Szafnauer used to be boss of AM, now he's at Alpine. Piastri is an Alpine driver, so maybe he'd pull a few strings and see if he can get his guy a drive there.

Not sure how that would suit AM though.

Something has to happen with Piastri though, he's too good to be benched another season and Alpine have Alonso who's showing no signs of slowing down, and Ocon who's been consistent.

I guess if I was Alpine i'd make a deal to get him the seat at AM for 1 year, then decide whether to move on Ocon or Alonso.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.

Max himself hasn't done much wrong so far but he needs to win a title without a helping hand before he can sit above a 4 time champion.

Nah, Leclerc is a special driver. He just needs to learn to calm down. Hamilton was the same at his age, they're over driving with the pressure they put themselves under.

The mistakes he makes are by trying to push 105% instead of settling for 95%.

The Ferrari is clearly a great car, but you don't beat Verstappen in qualifying this consistently if you aren't a top class driver.

Leclerc can more than match Verstappen when the cars are equal, we've seen that already. The big difference is handling the pressure right now. Whether Leclerc can get over that will be the big difference.

 

[11101]

Nah, Leclerc is a special driver. He just needs to learn to calm down. Hamilton was the same at his age, they're over driving with the pressure they put themselves under.

The mistakes he makes are by trying to push 105% instead of settling for 95%.

The Ferrari is clearly a great car, but you don't beat Verstappen in qualifying this consistently if you aren't a top class driver.

Leclerc can more than match Verstappen when the cars are equal, we've seen that already. The big difference is handling the pressure right now. Whether Leclerc can get over that will be the big difference.

But LeClerc needs to drive 105% to beat Max, even when the car is working well. Max (and all the greats from years gone by including Hamilton) can manage a race and win at 95%.

 

[hobbers]

Put Leclerc or Max in the 2012 field in a Red Bull, reliability issues and acts of god aside I dont think either would drop a championship point.