I'm the same and I can't seem to put my finger on exactly why I hated him at Red Bull so much. I think it's more of a Horner and Red Bull thing as I really dislike Max and I've gone off Checo in the last 18 months.Understandable. Unlike Hamilton, who also has avid interests outside the sport, he doesn't have a team capable of winning a title next season so it makes sense for him to retire and focus on those other bits and bobs. Good bloke. Hated him at Red Bull and he's turned into one of my favourites on the grid. Will miss him.
Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.Hope we can see both Sargeant (Williams) and Piastri(AM) next year in F1
I agree, can't see it being anybody else.Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.
It could be something like the loan deal they were trying to work out with Williams, Alpine don't have a seat available till Alonso is still around.Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.
The top Gear episode was when I started to change my mind about him, he was funny.I'd love for Vettel to join the Sky commentary team, he was on Top Gear once and he was hilarious.
Nicole Rosberg joins remotely, and I think for not every episode, so maybe Seb could do the episodes he doesn't? If he did them remotely like Rosberg, it would allow him to stay home with his family, who he wants to spend more time with
I'm not surprised he's fallen out of love with it, having to drive that terrible car, especially if he's more focused on his campaigning and family now. Could see him and Lewis linking up to do something for LGBTQ
Hulkenberg would be my choice also.Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.
Definitely, really like the Hulk and was gutted when he crashed out when a podium was on the cards (Hockenheim if I remember?).Hulkenberg would be my choice also.
No different to Toto who said he wants the rules changed for "Saftey"Dishonesty and disingenuity are Horner's default settings. Honestly if that guy told me the sun was hot I'd start questioning everything I thought I knew.
Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.No different to Toto who said he wants the rules changed for "Saftey"
Lots of decent, hardworking folk in that team. Stroll might not be your cup of tea but I wouldn't want AM to fold. They are proper racers.Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.
That would be a step backwards for Mick, so I doubt this would be his preference. Given that he has put in some decent performances recently I think Haas will have him in their car next season.There were rumours back in May around Mick Schumacher potentially going to AM.
That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.
I wouldn't call it a step backwards, only if you're looking performance at this moment in time. Gene Haas is putting zero money into that team on developing the ar and the development improvements they'll find over the next few seasons will be from whatever Ferrari output through 'reliability' updates to the engine or whatever parts come down the line. Whilst struggling at the moment, Aston Martin have got significant investment and key personnel to drag it up the grid.That would be a step backwards for Mick, so I doubt this would be his preference. Given that he has put in some decent performances recently I think Haas will have him in their car next season.
That talentless driver still behind uunmotivated soon to be retired Vettel in driver standing. Vettel even miss 2 races this year and he still couldnt beat him.That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.
Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money
Not really. He said Max deserved to crash in Silverstone to learn a lesson. What's lesson was that considering his driver was fully at fault for that incident?Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.
They are equally bad and ridiculous and if you feel differently you are betraying your own bias, end of storyToto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.
I think he's about a one championship driver. Brilliant on his day and deserving of a WDC, but he doesn't get more than one without a hugely dominant car.Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.
Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.
Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.
However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.
I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.
Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.
”If you think differently from me you’re biased, end of story”. Frankly a pathetic stance.They are equally bad and ridiculous and if you feel differently you are betraying your own bias, end of story
Most people would compare favourably against Horner.Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.
Yeah, agree that Stroll isn't actually that bad. His father's done a terrible job with the team since they lost their tracing paper but I've seen a lot worse than Stroll.That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.
Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money
I think this is a pretty fair assessment. He did have the best car in those 4 championships, but you've also got to make sure you don't lose it, which is easily done in F1 with the slightest of mistakes. He also showed he can handle the pressure of a chasing pack in 2012.Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.
Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.
Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.
However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.
I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.
Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.
Agree with everything except Ferrari crushed him like they do almost every driver not named SchumacherI think this is a pretty fair assessment. He did have the best car in those 4 championships, but you've also got to make sure you don't lose it, which is easily done in F1 with the slightest of mistakes. He also showed he can handle the pressure of a chasing pack in 2012.
All that being said, he isn't lightning quick nor an exceptional wheel to wheel driver like Lewis or Max. He was a good driver with an incredible trophy haul. Sadly, he faded terribly after Lewis crushed his spirit.
To your points:I think he's about a one championship driver. Brilliant on his day and deserving of a WDC, but he doesn't get more than one without a hugely dominant car.
He's a better driver than Leclerc. Not better than Hamilton. It remains to be seen about Max.
Yes, Ferrari played their part too. Binotto threw him under the bus. From what I gather, Binottos not very much liked by Ferrari fans either.Agree with everything except Ferrari crushed him like they do almost every driver not named Schumacher
I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.To your points:
Too early to judge
agreed
no debate Max is better.
1st point is the most controversial for me. There is more than a decade apart between the drivers, and LeClerc has shown a lot that he will be a top driver for the next period of drivers. Max will likely end up being one of the most decorated drivers so your 3rd comment is the only one that is most accurate in my view
Totally agree.I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.
Max himself hasn't done much wrong so far but he needs to win a title without a helping hand before he can sit above a 4 time champion.
The only links are Otmar Szafnauer used to be boss of AM, now he's at Alpine. Piastri is an Alpine driver, so maybe he'd pull a few strings and see if he can get his guy a drive there.Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.
Nah, Leclerc is a special driver. He just needs to learn to calm down. Hamilton was the same at his age, they're over driving with the pressure they put themselves under.I don't see it with LeClerc. He lacks the x factor to get wins against the odds, which Vettel did do a few times. He reminds me of Massa in 08. A very good driver who will win races but that wont cut it against a guy like Max.
Max himself hasn't done much wrong so far but he needs to win a title without a helping hand before he can sit above a 4 time champion.
But LeClerc needs to drive 105% to beat Max, even when the car is working well. Max (and all the greats from years gone by including Hamilton) can manage a race and win at 95%.Nah, Leclerc is a special driver. He just needs to learn to calm down. Hamilton was the same at his age, they're over driving with the pressure they put themselves under.
The mistakes he makes are by trying to push 105% instead of settling for 95%.
The Ferrari is clearly a great car, but you don't beat Verstappen in qualifying this consistently if you aren't a top class driver.
Leclerc can more than match Verstappen when the cars are equal, we've seen that already. The big difference is handling the pressure right now. Whether Leclerc can get over that will be the big difference.
I don't agree with that. We saw in Austria and Bahrain he had no trouble dispatching Max. Last week in France he couldn't get passed Leclerc with a similar paced car.But LeClerc needs to drive 105% to beat Max, even when the car is working well. Max (and all the greats from years gone by including Hamilton) can manage a race and win at 95%.