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Looking like 15 place grid penalty for Charles as he is taking new components for upgraded ERS

No word on Max yet. If he does the same he will have a 20+ place penalty as your first engine penalties are harsher while Charles would be on his second penalities.
Max took a full new engine in Hungary. He'll probably take an engine penalty in Monza.
 

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Haas don’t have the budget to pay his salary.

As for McLaren, they made a decision to invest in Lando and build the car around him instead of Daniel. Can’t be pissed at Daniel for that.
They did not build the car around Lando... Considering Lando said numerous times that the car drives against his personal style/preference..
 

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They did not build the car around Lando... Considering Lando said numerous times that the car drives against his personal style/preference..
If they didnt build the car around lando then who? Certainly not riccardo. It was designed around their lead driver i.e. lando. The reasons for the car driving against his personal preferences is due to the stiffness of the car, something no driver can get away from due to how the cars are setup this year for ground effect. Unless you bend the rules slightly and get away with it until this weekends GP and expect to lose 0.2-0.3 seconds a lap of performance.

Mclaren havent designed their car well this season. They played it too safe and the toyota wind tunnel they use is way out of date for modern f1 standards

There was a recent interview with siedl in which he explained how mclaren are trying to fix the issues with car design and their out of date facilities.
 

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Not a shock that Ricciardo is leaving at the end of this season, but I do think he will get another seat, I think a few team will jump at the chance.
I keep reading that so few teams will be able to afford his salary, but doesn't it stand to reason that he will have to accept a significant cut wherever he goes? I mean, he hasn't been performing very well for a while now, and is basically being kicked out of McLaren because of that. Surely he can't just expect to keep earning what he did before?
 

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I keep reading that so few teams will be able to afford his salary, but doesn't it stand to reason that he will have to accept a significant cut wherever he goes? I mean, he hasn't been performing very well for a while now, and is basically being kicked out of McLaren because of that. Surely he can't just expect to keep earning what he did before?
Surely McLaren will have to compensate him for terminating the contract?
 

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Surely McLaren will have to compensate him for terminating the contract?
Yeah, I read that some kind of agreement has been reached. But the next line said that he'll be hard to acquire for some teams (e.g., Haas) because of his salary demands.
 

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I keep reading that so few teams will be able to afford his salary, but doesn't it stand to reason that he will have to accept a significant cut wherever he goes? I mean, he hasn't been performing very well for a while now, and is basically being kicked out of McLaren because of that. Surely he can't just expect to keep earning what he did before?
I agree, should have added that if he takes a pay cut.
He will have been well compensated for is contract termination, I think he could handle a pay cut.
Actually, thinking more, maybe he won't have team coming after him, I have read an IndyCar rumour also.
 

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I agree, should have added that if he takes a pay cut.
He will have been well compensated for is contract termination, I think he could handle a pay cut.
Actually, thinking more, maybe he won't have team coming after him, I have read an IndyCar rumour also.
I'm sure he could take a pay cut one way or another! What with his parents' wealth (if I'm not mistaken) and his racing income so far, he probably already won't have to work a day in his life anymore. :)
 

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I'm sure he could take a pay cut one way or another! What with his parents' wealth (if I'm not mistaken) and his racing income so far, he probably already won't have to work a day in his life anymore. :)
His parents aren't particularly wealthy. Think his dad is a mechanic.
 

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If they didnt build the car around lando then who? Certainly not riccardo. It was designed around their lead driver i.e. lando. The reasons for the car driving against his personal preferences is due to the stiffness of the car, something no driver can get away from due to how the cars are setup this year for ground effect. Unless you bend the rules slightly and get away with it until this weekends GP and expect to lose 0.2-0.3 seconds a lap of performance.

Mclaren havent designed their car well this season. They played it too safe and the toyota wind tunnel they use is way out of date for modern f1 standards

There was a recent interview with siedl in which he explained how mclaren are trying to fix the issues with car design and their out of date facilities.
Yeah, it's well known that Mclaren have out of date wind tunnel and sim, they are opening the new ones for next season. The Pandemic delayed their original plans.

Sorry but if you really think they brought Danny Ric last year, on the contract they did for Lando to be the "lead driver" given Danny's record and experience... then you are kidding yourself...

Here is Lando literally talking about the MCL36 last season... He's also said similar last season as well.

“There have been things saying ‘well he (Ricciardo) doesn’t suit the car’ and all of that stuff. And everyone thinks I do suit the car and the car’s made around me and all of that stuff. But it couldn’t be more untrue.

“Not that I hate driving the car I’m driving now. But it’s very unsuited to my driving style.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-mcl36-suit-daniel-ricciardo/
 

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I agree, should have added that if he takes a pay cut.
He will have been well compensated for is contract termination, I think he could handle a pay cut.
Actually, thinking more, maybe he won't have team coming after him, I have read an IndyCar rumour also.
I could see him trying NASCAR, he's a big fan and tried out earnhardts car last year
 

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Max taking penalty too apparently but Red Bull don't have an ERS upgrade ready......

Strange decision.

This one might be primed for a Merc win
 

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Yeah, it's well known that Mclaren have out of date wind tunnel and sim, they are opening the new ones for next season. The Pandemic delayed their original plans.

Sorry but if you really think they brought Danny Ric last year, on the contract they did for Lando to be the "lead driver" given Danny's record and experience... then you are kidding yourself...

Here is Lando literally talking about the MCL36 last season... He's also said similar last season as well.



https://www.planetf1.com/news/lando-norris-mcl36-suit-daniel-ricciardo/
Driver attempting to make himself look better than his team mate shocker…

McLaren used all Lando’s data in last years car because

a. Danny Ric was at Renault and
b. Carlos was off to Ferrari.

Given this years cars were largely designed in 2020 and early 2021 or at the very least, the fundamental elements of it, it’s not surprising that the car is built with Lando in mind much more than Danny Ric. This is not ground breaking or earth shattering logic.

McLaren hedged their bets on DR managing to drive anything put in front of him but that’s not the case and given Lando is out performing him this year, why continue to invest?

Shit thing for Lando is that despite all of the above, Daniel still has more wins for McLaren than he does.
 

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new teams is what the sport need, hopefully they will compete at the top eventually.
Agreed, 10 is not a magic number and the huge entry fee just makes it almost impossible to add teams. That’s why AM, Audi etc. always buy existing entries. Would love to see 22, 24 cars on the grid.
 

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Leclerc, Verstappen among six drivers taking grid penalties
Charles Leclerc is among six drivers who will incur a grid penalty on Sunday for taking new engine parts.
Joining him at the rear of the grid will be world championship leader Max Verstappen.
The other four drivers taking penalties are Lando Norris, Esteban Ocon, Valtteri Bottas and Mick Schumacher.

Could we see the first Mercedes win of the season, maybe even a 1 & 2 ?
 

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Leclerc, Verstappen among six drivers taking grid penalties
Charles Leclerc is among six drivers who will incur a grid penalty on Sunday for taking new engine parts.
Joining him at the rear of the grid will be world championship leader Max Verstappen.
The other four drivers taking penalties are Lando Norris, Esteban Ocon, Valtteri Bottas and Mick Schumacher.

Could we see the first Mercedes win of the season, maybe even a 1 & 2 ?
It should be an interesting race :drool:
 

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they are?
No the gap looks as big as ever and the Merc has looked a dog on all tyre compounds, so far at least.

Having to run the car higher will hurt Merc more than the flexi floor red herring with the top two.

Maybe they’re just sandbagging.
 

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I think he meant that sarcastically.
No the gap looks as big as ever and the Merc has looked a dog on all tyre compounds, so far at least.

Having to run the car higher will hurt Merc more than the flexi floor red herring with the top two.

Maybe they’re just sandbagging.
Ah ok, yeah was gonna say i'm only able to keep an eye on the times but they don't seem like they're pulling up any trees :lol:

Could be the cold temps though, they're usually pretty poor in tyre warm up.
 

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Leclerc, Verstappen among six drivers taking grid penalties
Charles Leclerc is among six drivers who will incur a grid penalty on Sunday for taking new engine parts.
Joining him at the rear of the grid will be world championship leader Max Verstappen.
The other four drivers taking penalties are Lando Norris, Esteban Ocon, Valtteri Bottas and Mick Schumacher.

Could we see the first Mercedes win of the season, maybe even a 1 & 2 ?
Wouldnt suprise me to see max or leclerc on the podium. The RedBull will eat other cars alive on the long straights due to is ERS deployment.

If its wet amd your on the right tyres at the right time, a win for max or leclerc isnt out of the question.
 

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Wouldnt suprise me to see max or leclerc on the podium. The RedBull will eat other cars alive on the long straights due to is ERS deployment.

If its wet amd your on the right tyres at the right time, a win for max or leclerc isnt out of the question.
I suspect that won't happen for the one driving a red car...