I’m a merc and Lewis, fan… do I have a victim mentality considering I’ve been defending RB above? Or are you happy to accept you’ve just made a rather silly grandiose statement ?
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This thread is truly special at times.
This thread reminds me of the RAWK thread with its utter bias and conspiracy theories. Probably more delusional.
Horner hates Lewis winning the Dutch GP, so he makes Alpha Tauri stop in the middle of the track
Oh, and apparently this doesn't count as a WDC for Max because of this conspiracy. The level of mind bending has to be on par or better with the best of RAWK thread.
I could be wrong, but I think it’s only one person, possibly two who suggested there was actually a conspiracy?This thread reminds me of the RAWK thread with its utter bias and conspiracy theories. Probably more delusional.
Horner hates Lewis winning the Dutch GP, so he makes Alpha Tauri stop in the middle of the track
Oh, and apparently this doesn't count as a WDC for Max because of this conspiracy. The level of mind bending has to be on par or better with the best of RAWK thread.
Yeah I checked out when I seen people entertaining bthe conspiracy theories.
Like use your heads people. Let's assume for one second Red Bull are ok with using AT to cheat...
Then they would have fecking done it last year and not this year when they are 90+ points ahead.
If Red Bull where really so ok with cheating they would have used AT or Perez to claw back some of the points Max got screwed out of after Silverstone and Hungary. But they didn't.
So common sense says they wouldn't do it in a year they are walking the title.
Also it's all pretty much irrelevant as Bottas then caused a Saftey car anyway in the weekend.
A big issue is really Sky who spout nonsense and people regurgitate it everywhere. Like the people who started saying Red Bull had an illegal floor with no proof. Look how bad a take that was!
Like use your heads people. Let's assume for one second Red Bull are ok with using AT to cheat...
Then they would have fecking done it last year and not this year when they are 90+ points ahead.
If Red Bull where really so ok with cheating they would have used AT or Perez to claw back some of the points Max got screwed out of after Silverstone and Hungary. But they didn't.
So common sense says they wouldn't do it in a year they are walking the title.
Also it's all pretty much irrelevant as Bottas then caused a Saftey car anyway in the weekend.
A big issue is really Sky who spout nonsense and people regurgitate it everywhere. Like the people who started saying Red Bull had an illegal floor with no proof. Look how bad a take that was!
Crazy isn't it. That one person on here.This thread reminds me of the RAWK thread with its utter bias and conspiracy theories. Probably more delusional.
Horner hates Lewis winning the Dutch GP, so he makes Alpha Tauri stop in the middle of the track
Oh, and apparently this doesn't count as a WDC for Max because of this conspiracy. The level of mind bending has to be on par or better with the best of RAWK thread.
Just shows the delusion of all Lewis fans. Actually, all men on this forum. Perhaps all of humanity.
Or, perhaps stop using tiny base sizes to extrapolate and reach your desired conclusion.
When people here laugh on the RAWK meltdown thread, do you think that's posts from all people? All men on the RAWK forum? Perhaps all of humanity?
Or, perhaps they just do it for the fun of it, and not to reach some scientific conclusion. Why does it have to be different here? And it's not one post, look at the previous page, a lot of people suggesting conspiracies, completely delusional.
However there is zero doubt about the Lewis bias on this thread though. Which is fair enough, given the nationality of this forum. But it's bias nonetheless.
Excellent stuff
because it’s patently false. I’m a Lewis fan, and I’ve been the biggest defender of AT and RB on here this last day.
don’t really understand why you have to make such silly statements like it’s “all Lewis fans” or “all max fans”
it’s childish.
Please show me where I mention all Lewis fans or All Max fans? You seem to be the one making silly statements mate.
If you talk about bias, of course there is bias on here. Which as I mentioned is understandable. That's the same with every sport and team people support.
Right guys you just made @SirAnderson happy.
It's been dry for the last few weeks but the usual suspects keep on giving.
you made the link between people posting delusional conspiracy theories, and Lewis bias.
of course there’s Lewis Bias, like you say, he’s a 7 time world champion who’s British, and this is a British football club forum
yeah. plus he’s won all of his races single-handedly and fairly. unlike max, who has never won a race without horner threatening other drivers’ families unless they bin their cars to aid red bull strategy.
So TruE mAx Is WaShEd!
You also forgot that Lewis did it with a car barely better than Haas while Max is winning because Red Bull illegally created the fastest F1 car in history.
Okay, stop making shit up now. I never made that link. I said that the Lewis bias was understandable, while the conspiracies were RAWKish.
Skimmed through a couple posts here. Are there seriously people believing the Tsunoda conspiracy? With RB already 100+ pts ahead? British media sure is something, wow
Porsche - are they still going to enter f1?
If the deal with red bull is as dead as people are making out what (if any) other options do they have?
Enter with their own engine (but i believe they left this too late to get voting rights and would be strange to see them compete directly with Audi)
Or partner with somebody?... presumably Audi meaning something like a Sauber Porsche powered by an Audi engine... sounds messy
If the deal with red bull is as dead as people are making out what (if any) other options do they have?
Enter with their own engine (but i believe they left this too late to get voting rights and would be strange to see them compete directly with Audi)
Or partner with somebody?... presumably Audi meaning something like a Sauber Porsche powered by an Audi engine... sounds messy
If the Red Bull deal is dead, which appears to be widely reported from both sides now, then I would expect some dialogue with McLaren. McLaren recently had two ex VAG members to their board, and Siedl has historic links with Porsche in Motorsport. It would make the next logical step, rather than a wholesale purchase of a team.
F1 wise makes some sense but surely Mclaren and Porsche compete for the same customers in the market?
And Mclaren rebuffed VW/Audi pretty publicly when it was rumoured VW/Audi were trying to buy them - I can imagine that deal being very hard to pull off - For sure they would need to get Mclaren to agree to be a Audi engine customer I think as I cant see Merc working with Porsche ... and then what do you end up with a Mclaren Porsche running and Audi Engine - again messy
Im not sure after their Honda experience mclaren will fancy switching engine suppliers to an unproven unit?
So yes it makes some sense but it seems like there is a lot of obstacles as well
RB are also secretely burning rocket fuel which fumes make the birds around the track psychotic. You could see it in Zaandvort. It makes orange smoke.
Very true. Without Brundle there on Sunday to bring some sanity, the commentary from Croft and Button was the absolute pits. From their ignorance and fake hype they managed to make it seem from about 10 laps in that it was Lewis' race to lose.
Then you move to the aftershows with biased bitter old dinosaurs like Hill and Herbert. Ted on the Notebook "now I might not agree with conspiracy theories but here they are and let's talk about them as if they have merit".
Silly conspiracy. TSU felt an issue, suspected a loose wheel, stopped on track and went to unfastened his belts. If Red Bull put the call in then they've could just stayed out parked on track, Yuki would have to be in on this and have this tale ready. The team don't see anything and he drives back in, they put on a new set of wheels/tyres, fasten his belts and send him out thinking that might fix the issue he felt while still looking at the data. He reports back while driving down the pitlane "Strange at the rear, something strange. Diff is broken, I think". Differential is a rare failure and can indeed feel like a loose wheel or something clunking or not fully engaging and they found the diff was faulty after.
I can see a team mate in title battle doing something and getting caught ala Piquet with the likes of Briatore, it's a completely different environment and situation that can be planned out and has career ruining risks. No way is AT or Yuki on hand for something like this.
I can see a team mate in title battle doing something and getting caught ala Piquet with the likes of Briatore, it's a completely different environment and situation that can be planned out and has career ruining risks. No way is AT or Yuki on hand for something like this.
Yeah they really do their best to cause tension in an attempt to rose the vitriol between the fans.
Sure at the end one of them said Merced would have got a 1-2. Like what world are they living in?
All the while conveniently ignoring the fact the even without Yuki there still would have been the Bottas Saftey car.
The whole "conspiracy" claim comes from the fact that they radioed him to stop at the exact same place while it could have been in the pits.
Saying this without having a favorite driver - should allowing tire changes due to a safety car really be allowed?
Is it necessary?
Is it necessary?
If they where trying to cheat they never would have brought him into the pits in the first place.
They'd just agree with Yuki and say stop the car and no one would ever be the wiser because that's what happens with Bottas every week for example.
It's ridiculous but apparently the teams all like having it, which of course they do, for when it works in their favour.
Even the sky sports article about Hannah Schmitz getting abuse is at it, the very first line - "has been a victim of online hate after Yuki's DNF resulted in Lewis Hamilton losing his lead in Sunday's Dutch Grand Prix"
He wasn't in the lead
It's saved and fecked everyone one time or another.
For example Lewis might have DNFd in Silverstone last season had the race continued. But lucky for him he crashed Max out and then was allowed to go in and replace the cracked Rim he had while the race was red flagged.
And it's helped and hindered all the other drivers too.
Personally I like it as you can risk it for a Saftey car etc and find the discussion only ever seems to get brought up by Sky when it hinders British drivers.
And funnily enough in this case it only hindered Lewis while they should have been happy for Russell who took advantage of the situation brilliantly.
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Someone will nearly always benefit from a safety car, because they bunch cars up.
If you didn't allow pit stops, a car more than a pit stop up the road would be really unfairly punished, as their eventual pit stop would put them really far down the grid. You could allow everyone to pit and retain position, but you'd potentially cost someone on the undercut.
At least giving cars the choice allows a strategic battle between fresh tyres and track position (although the overtake has required less skill now since the introduction of DRS/ KERS).
The reason the Mercs lost out on the weekend was, as Horner said, they picked the worst of their four strategic options.
For the FIA, I think they need to look at whether VSCs need to apply for the whole lap or just for the particular region the incident has taken place, SCs need to be deployed less often, tracks need to flag/ offer better places for cars to go if they need to stop, and punishments need to be handed out to cars which don't park up in the best possible places.
As I said earlier, cars are increasingly stopping in places which force a SC (although RB clearly had nothing to do with Tsunoda doing this at the weekend).
I think it needs looking at and it will be the end of the third decade of safety cars at the end of this season and there are just way to many safety cars and vsc these days
https://f1.fandom.com/wiki/Safety_Car
In the first decade that safety cars were introduced they were deployed 39 times (156 laps)
In the second decade that safety cars were introduced they were deployed 110 times (359 laps)
in the third decade that safety cars (and VSC) were introduced they have been deployed 191 times so far (420 laps so far)
since the introduction of the VSC in 2015 there has been 166 safety car / VSC deployments in 156 races
in the first 5 seasons there was 6 deployments in 82 races
something needs to be looked at as I don't think there are 10X more accidents now than they used to be - as for pitting under a safety car if there is now an average of 1 per GP then of course people will start to factor that into their thinking which is so against the principle of what a safety car is then I think its justified to say no pitting under safety car (unless it starts to rain)
I agree that there are too many VSC/SCs, but the stats are slightly meaningless as the overall number of laps has also surely increased. Would be much clearer to have a % of all laps under (V)SC conditions.
No, the reason is people are more cautious than before, not that there are more incidents. You don't want things to get back to this level:
You scouse bastards!
you can work out the laps but per GP is pretty easy
Decade 1 = 165 races
Therefore 0.24 deployments a race (approx 1 every 4 races)
156 laps under safety car so 0.96 per race - just under 1 per race
Decade 3 = 194 races (so far)
therefore 0.98 deployments a race (approx 1 per GP) so a 300% increase
420 laps under safety car so 2.16 per race a 125% increase
if you discount the VSC in decade 3 its still
139 deployments (0.72) per race approx a 200% increase
399 laps under safety car so 2.05 per race - lets be generous and say 2 per race approx a 100% increase
Thanks for the replies I've not followed F1 closely over recent years.
People still running with Lewis crashed out Max in Silverstone and calling others delusional to think a fish smells like a fish 
Precious Max didn't get 100% of the track.
Precious Max didn't get 100% of the track.
Yeah the tie up from a commercial road car sense looks like conflicting, but then there's plenty of that in the VAG group and I don't think it's all that important in the long run. Plus McLaren are desperate for a sale, they're unprofitable. Porsche is very independent of the VAG group also in it's decision making which means I think it shouldn't be looked at a in the same discussion as Audi, who will almost certainly finalise a deal for Sauber before the year is out. Red Bull looked the right move for Porsche, but the other players could be McLaren, Alpha Tauri (which is up for sale) and/or Williams which has ties back to the group also. Mercedes will also be reducing their customer engine supply further in 2026 regardless.