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She is going to be horrific and I’d argue this looks worse on the police force.

She's somehow multiple levels worse than Patel, which I thought to be essentially impossible. Its almost impressive in a way.
 

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I live in a Labour town, and it's fecked.

Feck Labour. Feck tories. We need a reset.
What Labour Town do you live in? I live in one too, and it's not great, but part of it is due to an aging population. Part of it is due to the change in how people shop these days and the rise of Amazon and budget supermarkets being a disaster for the high street.

The rest can be directly attributed to the Tory austerity policies and how they have systematically defunded Labour constituencies (many of which are traditionally lower income) and redirected the money to affluent Tory areas. Almost like it was a plan to get people living in the red wall to switch their votes or something.
 
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Can you guess which rather important political story the Mail and Express are ignoring today?



 

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Yeah, as that will be less embarrassing or obvious than reversing or delaying the tax cuts
Can they cut enough?
De-linking pensions from inflation perhaps but that won't make a dent
Defence they have committed to increase spending
Hs2 probably axed but that will be dwarfed by the increase in servicing debts
Education probably too unpopular to touch that
Nhs... political suicide to defund or sell
Welfare will be cut but hard to see how it's cut too much with rising inflation

Genuinley not sure how they would cut to the extent needed... probably 15%?
 

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IMF sounding the alarm about the proposed tax cuts means what exactly? Gov will u turn on last weeks annoucememt?
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63056188

The IMF warning to the government is as clear and stark as anything in recent history.
In other words...reverse your stupid decision.
Out of interest, what happened to Frost? I was surprised to read recently that he was actually a remainer in 2016. In fact, he seemed to be eminently sensible. He also seems to be the kind of person the Tories tend to look down upon (ie someone who's spent almost all of their career in some kind of public service/government/foreign office role, without a 'real job'.

Yet everything he has said in the past few years is adversarial, aggressive and shite. He seems to be consistently wrong on all aspects now.
 

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She is going to be horrific and I’d argue this looks worse on the police force.

Just me or do I recall a time where ministers didn't micromanage departments? It's not their job.

The police should have the balls to push back on this shit.
 

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Just me or do I recall a time where ministers didn't micromanage departments? It's not their job.

The police should have the balls to push back on this shit.
This is why I think it looks worse for the police. They've just shown they'll bow down to her having a pop at them which is absolutely not the way policing should be working.
 

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Has anybody actually heard from pork markets? She normally can't keep herself away from a camera but seems to have gone AWOL. Not a leader amongst the lot of the them is there? Cowards.
Yeah I was thinking that.

It took 7 or 8 weeks for them to choose Truss as leader, Government basically shut down all summer as they went on an X Factor style search for a new PM and now she's finally leader she's basically gone into hiding.

Only emerging momentarily to crash the economy before hiding again.
 

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Yeah I was thinking that.

It took 7 or 8 weeks for them to choose Truss as leader, Government basically shut down all summer as they went on an X Factor style search for a new PM and now she's finally leader she's basically gone into hiding.

Only emerging momentarily to crash the economy before hiding again.
Don't forget she also managed to push the Queen over the edge too.
 

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Out of interest, what happened to Frost? I was surprised to read recently that he was actually a remainer in 2016. In fact, he seemed to be eminently sensible. He also seems to be the kind of person the Tories tend to look down upon (ie someone who's spent almost all of their career in some kind of public service/government/foreign office role, without a 'real job'.

Yet everything he has said in the past few years is adversarial, aggressive and shite. He seems to be consistently wrong on all aspects now.
Probably cruising somewhere warm enjoying the fruits of his labours.
 

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Can they cut enough?
De-linking pensions from inflation perhaps but that won't make a dent
Defence they have committed to increase spending
Hs2 probably axed but that will be dwarfed by the increase in servicing debts
Education probably too unpopular to touch that
Nhs... political suicide to defund or sell
Welfare will be cut but hard to see how it's cut too much with rising inflation

Genuinely not sure how they would cut to the extent needed... probably 15%?
Well this is the thing, I don't see where tens of billions of cuts come from. To put it in context, at Osborne's first emergency budget in 2010, ushering in the austerity era, he essentially announced £75 billion of expenditure cuts. So we're talking about a significant fraction of austerity all over again. There just isn't any budget left that they can cut that won't be deeply unpopular with the electorate. Cut the recovery funding for pupils left behind by covid? Cut money to hospitals? Reduce pensions? And all in order to fund a tax cut for the rich (even though this isn't actually where all the money has gone, this is now the narrative)? At least Osborne could claim the money was going to shrink the deficit.

Bear in mind too they haven't even announced their supply side reforms. Cutting red tape isn't going to stimulate growth to the absurd levels needed to make the figures in the next OBR report look good to markets. They're going to have to make investments themselves to get things going, either by virtue of yet more tax cuts for businesses, as in their low tax havens zones, or by capital investments in things like transport and communications.
 

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So are we saying Rishi Sunak was correct and the dumbasses in the conservative party should have voted him in, instead of liz truss?
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:

What we have seen since Friday is partly a market adjustment to the increased probability that Sir Keir Starmer will win in 2024 or 2025 - leading to higher taxes, higher spending, and a weaker economy.

Some pundits don’t like Truss, others have never forgiven the Tories for Brexit, yet others are horrified by the idea that growth, rather than equality, should be the Government’s priority. Fair enough. But let’s be clear-headed about what is happening.
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:
:lol:
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:
Absolutely insane levels of cognitive dissonance.

Both the last Labour government and the next one are to blame for the current shitshow that has been 12 years in the making.
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:
How do you blame the opposition (that from what I understand are not in power) for failure of current policy?

I'd laugh if the electorate didn't contain people who bought into this 'rationale'.
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:
I always wonder with these pieces - do they actually believe it? Or are they knowingly trying to pull a fast one?
 

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Well this is the thing, I don't see where tens of billions of cuts come from. To put it in context, at Osborne's first emergency budget in 2010, ushering in the austerity era, he essentially announced £75 billion of expenditure cuts. So we're talking about a significant fraction of austerity all over again. There just isn't any budget left that they can cut that won't be deeply unpopular with the electorate. Cut the recovery funding for pupils left behind by covid? Cut money to hospitals? Reduce pensions? And all in order to fund a tax cut for the rich (even though this isn't actually where all the money has gone, this is now the narrative)? At least Osborne could claim the money was going to shrink the deficit.

Bear in mind too they haven't even announced their supply side reforms. Cutting red tape isn't going to stimulate growth to the absurd levels needed to make the figures in the next OBR report look good to markets. They're going to have to make investments themselves to get things going, either by virtue of yet more tax cuts for businesses, as in their low tax havens zones, or by capital investments in things like transport and communications.
The quickest and most impactful thing they could do for growth forecasts is agree to a trade deal with the EU that involved a customs union, free movement and all the other things that will make the erg loose their mind so she can't even do that

Not sure they have the political capital to backtrack on the existing proposals without undermining themselves to the point of collapse

Not sure they have the ability to find the cuts which would be of a scale that would be politically suicide (though don't put itv past kamikwasi)

Not sure how much longer Liz truss can hide away but even coming out and scapegoating kwasi and sacking probably won't be enough to escape the fallout dragging her down with him

Basically in the words of a conservative mp... Liz truss is f*****
 

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Daniel Hannan, one of the key Conservative voices behind the push to leave the EU, wrote an article for the ConservativeHome website playing down market concerns about the £45bn package of (unfunded) tax cuts announced by chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng.

In the piece, which was published on Wednesday and immediately widely mocked online, Lord Hannan wrote:
So a future Labour government is responsible for the pound tanking and the massive rise in the 10 year yield. Right nothing to see here then.
 

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How do you blame the opposition (that from what I understand are not in power) for failure of current policy?

I'd laugh if the electorate didn't contain people who bought into this 'rationale'.
Thing is rags like the DM are reporting it as if it's a legitimate take.

And some senior Tories have been arguing that the fall in the Pound has actually been driven by alarm that Labour might soon be in government.

With Keir Starmer up to 17 points ahead in polls, former MEP Lord Hannan wrote on the ConservativeHome website: 'What we have seen since Friday is partly a market adjustment to the increased probability that Sir Keir Starmer will win in 2024 or 2025 – leading to higher taxes, higher spending, and a weaker economy.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arteng-pleads-MPs-cool-heads-Pound-slump.html
 

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I always wonder with these pieces - do they actually believe it? Or are they knowingly trying to pull a fast one?
They were always lying before but since Brexit the lies have gathered pace because they always need another lie to cover the previous one, it's snowballed and the government is now completely out of control. They can't think of enough lies fast enough. Problem is a large section of the electorate still believe them or want to believe them.