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Yeah. The idea that they are offering Red Bull terms and seeing if they are happy with them is crazy.Joke of a "sport".
Yeah. The idea that they are offering Red Bull terms and seeing if they are happy with them is crazy.Joke of a "sport".
I suppose it happens quite a lot, from court cases to football. The issue isn’t that they get given a punishment or else it goes to a panel who can give a harsher/ more lenient penalty.Yeah. The idea that they are offering Red Bull terms and seeing if they are happy with them is crazy.
Yeah this is it in a nutshell.The issue is the complete lack of speed, transparency and professionalism by the governing body over something which should be extremely clear cut.
all teams have to give a rookie driver a FP session once a season, well I think that's the reason.Why all new drivers for some teams?
Oh, I didn't realise that. I guess that guy in Haas won't be driving anymore that's for sure.all teams have to give a rookie driver a FP session once a season, well I think that's the reason.
another cover up, just like Ferrari a few seasons ago.Tweet
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why is he being given another chance? his last stint was nothing to write home about.Took Giovinazzi 5 minutes to Mick Schumacher it.
Also both Ferraris will have 10+ grid place penalties for new engine parts this weekend.
Why the feck no tyre blankets? Budget caps on electricity?What is the Pirelli tyre test?
Martin Brundle explains why we are seeing a Pirelli tyre test in this session.
He said: "Pirelli need some information. They’re going to knock the blanket temperatures down to 50 degrees next year, in anticipation of eventually no tyre blankets, which seems slightly crazy to me. They want to test that, they want to test some compounds.
"Drivers will have to go out on fixed fuel loads, for a fixed number of laps, they won’t know what tyres are on – it’s all about information for Pirelli.
"They also can’t do any setup changes either between the runs, which is really tough for the teams.
"Normally this is a session that’s really important to them, so not the easiest for the teams but it’s information they need for next year."
No idea but it sounds ridiculous.Why the feck no tyre blankets? Budget caps on electricity?
Its ok, redbull will find a way to cheat the tyre blanket ban and blame it on their catering.No idea but it sounds ridiculous.
If cars are pitting for new tyres and the tyres are always cold, how the feck are you ever going to undercut someone? It won't be possible anymore.
Just imagine if this was football.Joke of a "sport".
In football you can chose to accept or appeal punishments after the match. If you appeal, they can decide to extend or reduce the punishment.Just imagine if this was football.
Referee.. That was a bad foul inside the penalty area. I was going to give a penalty. Are you happy with that. If not, I will not award a penalty?
But they've not been issued with any punishment yet. So they are able to appeal before any punishment is given. Meanwhile they have developed the fastest car and been awarded the drivers championship by overspending.In football you can chose to accept or appeal punishments after the match. If you appeal, they can decide to extend or reduce the punishment.
It is almost identical to F1, except the crime and the discussions here are being kept secret, which is ridiculous and undermines confidence in the process.
That would be correct, except for the fact that no punishment has been awarded to RB yet. Has it...In football you can chose to accept or appeal punishments after the match. If you appeal, they can decide to extend or reduce the punishment.
It is almost identical to F1, except the crime and the discussions here are being kept secret, which is ridiculous and undermines confidence in the process.
I think we agree that they should be transparent about the overspend and the proposed punishment. If it isn't black and white, then F1 has messed up again, by contradicting what they've written in the rules and what they've communicated to the teams.That would be correct, except for the fact that no punishment has been awarded to RB yet. Has it...
Cool. They still broke it.Red Bull broke the F1 cost cap by $1.8m due to four clear reasons, according to reports.
Red Bull were initially $4m inside the $145m F1 budget, according to RacingNews365, before four issues cost them a combined $5.8m, pushing them $1.8m above the cap.
$0.8m in gardening leave for Dan Fellows who left to join AM that for whatever reason RB didn't include.
$1.2m catering costs not included in the spend that FIA say should be.
$1m+ spare parts that should not have counted until a June 22 rule change after submissions were in.
$1m+ tax overpayment that might yet be rebated from HMRC
Storm in a teacup pretty much confirmed. If the spare parts and tax things are excluded then they'd be comfortably under the cap, no wonder they're not accepting the ABA.
They'll take it to all the way to CAS and easily win if these details are correct.Cool. They still broke it.
Changing the rules a year after is like awarding penalties for var cock ups at the end of the seasonRed Bull broke the F1 cost cap by $1.8m due to four clear reasons, according to reports.
Red Bull were initially $4m inside the $145m F1 budget, according to RacingNews365, before four issues cost them a combined $5.8m, pushing them $1.8m above the cap.
$0.8m in gardening leave for Dan Fellows who left to join AM that for whatever reason RB didn't include.
$1.2m catering costs not included in the spend that FIA say should be.
$1m+ spare parts that should not have counted until a June 22 rule change after submissions were in.
$1m+ tax overpayment that might yet be rebated from HMRC
Storm in a teacup pretty much confirmed. If the spare parts and tax things are excluded then they'd be comfortably under the cap, no wonder they're not accepting the ABA.
Yes. Agree with this. Especially about the astounding incompetence of last year.I think we agree that they should be transparent about the overspend and the proposed punishment. If it isn't black and white, then F1 has messed up again, by contradicting what they've written in the rules and what they've communicated to the teams.
But in many walks of life, there will be conversations and negotiations between the rule maker and rule breaker, with the neutral invigilator only coming in if the two parties cannot reach an agreement. It is not unprecedented. And it has happened in F1 as long as I've watched it.
The real issue is that no one trusts them to do it correctly after their astounding incompetence last year and the fact that RB continue to benefit from going beyond what other teams see as fair. If they had made good decisions in the past, the fact that there were negotiations wouldn't be seen as much of an issue.
Correct. Question is, are they? The source is legit but you never know.They'll take it to all the way to CAS and easily win if these details are correct.
There's no way they'll accept any penalty with wind tunnel reduction, and nor should they. The FIA look more at fault with all of this than they do now. If the FIA offer them a trivial penalty and get the chance to put it all out in the public domain they'd probably accept that, otherwise they'll take it to the courts because they know they'll win there, eventually.Correct. Question is, are they? The source is legit but you never know.
Interesting to see what happens to RedBull racing. Will the thai owners want to carry on seeing as it was dietrich' baby.
Yep, its ridiculous.Q1 to start shortly, but al we will be hearing about is RB and budgetgate.
The FIA are a joke , this should have all been sorted well before this.