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He's falling out of love with the scouse and his heart is pining for a new challenge, fecker never even bothered to learn their language.
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If he did actually end up leaving, I could see Tuchel. No idea where Klopp would go next though, he'd probably take a sabbatical.Where would he go next though, that's the question? And who would replace him?
Potch is still floating about, Zidane apparently on his way back. The Spanish coach after the WC.If he did actually end up leaving, I could see Tuchel. No idea where Klopp would go next though, he'd probably take a sabbatical.
Ah yes, Zidane, who famously turned down United because he didn't want to manage in England or learn English, will definitely be in line to replace Klopp.Potch is still floating about, Zidane apparently on his way back. The Spanish coach after the WC.
There's a few options about
Ah yes, Zidane, who famously turned down United because he didn't want to manage in England or learn English, will definitely be in line to replace Klopp.
You describing the absolute minimum conditions for Klopp to be sacked. The conditions for Klopp to leave are unknown. He could decide tomorrow he sees no way out of this mess and in terms of his legacy it would be better to leave now and let the owners take the rap for whatever comes next.For Klopp to leave, Liverpool would have to be in the relegation zone at the 3/4 stage of the season. Not something that seems possible even with Liverpool's woes right now.
It's pretty much what he did at Dortmund. Think Klopp is one of those guys who'll walk when he feels he can't reach the team or turn it around any longerYou describing the absolute minimum conditions for Klopp to be sacked. The conditions for Klopp to leave are unknown. He could decide tomorrow he sees no way out of this mess and in terms of his legacy it would be better to leave now and let the owners take the rap for whatever comes next.
If he starts making life difficult for the owners, then he will be sacked!There’s no way I can see Klopp getting sacked, he’s got way too much credit in the bank and is revered almost as a Demi God. He’ll decide when he goes.
Good post. I also don’t think they’d sack him unless the results go way south from here, which is unlikelyKlopp will eventually leave of his own volition. Don't think things will get bad enough that the board will be forced to do it for him.
If he does, though, his failings are at least partly to blame. Breaking down defences has been a problem for years, largely because for most of his Liverpool tenancy he's been happy with a midfield trio of Workrate, Passion and Mobility. Early Klopp's Liverpool was laughably lacking in goals and assists from midfield.
His only real attempt to address the situation was to sign Thiago, who's great but very injury prone and not really known for his assisting anyway. He's a more secondary kind of creator. 'Trent and Robertson crosses will be enough' has kind of stopped working.
Great manager with a big huge gaping hole in his tactical abilities that he doesn't seem able to address.
However, Poch taking over would be a hilarious disaster.
It's not true though, having a good manager and good players is what matters. You can carry a few average players but you can't carry an average manager (long term).Today's football culture is the era of the manager. Lots of folk believe managers, particularly Klopp and Pep, can turn water into wine.
What's happening now is further evidence that a manager is only as good as his players.
Yeah both matter.It's not true though, having a good manager and good players is what matters. You can carry a few average players but you can't carry an average manager (long term).
I don't agree, it depends on the manager. Some people are good at getting the most out of players regardless of talent (Eddie Howe currently might be someone getting the most out of his squad), others play a system that can be very hard to counter if they've got good players but not that hard if they don't (Klopp, possibly Pep). But it's always shades of grey, when he had enough good players Klopp was squeezing every last drop of ability out of the likes of Henderson and Milner too. Like with everything in life it's more complicated than a simple generalisation.Yeah both matter.
But an average manager with a very good team can still achieve plenty.
A top manager with an average team can't do all that much.
You're seeing it right now. You saw it couple of seasons back when Liverpool had all those injuries. Results dropped off massively.
The most important thing a manager can do is get the right players in the first place because if he doesn't, how good he is becomes almost irrelevant.
You’re the one that listed options, most of which are never going to happen, making them non options.1) who said he's definitely in line to replace Klopp?
2) Because Zidane didn't want to manage United or in England, he can't change his mind down the line?
3) all I was doing was listing a few alternatives that where available.
So how about stopping being a prick and post something constructive instead of trying to be a smart arse
I tend to think football is much simpler than the rest of life and having good players is a requirement of winning trophies. Straightforward stuff.I don't agree, it depends on the manager. Some people are good at getting the most out of players regardless of talent (Eddie Howe currently might be someone getting the most out of his squad), others play a system that can be very hard to counter if they've got good players but not that hard if they don't (Klopp, possibly Pep). But it's always shades of grey, when he had enough good players Klopp was squeezing every last drop of ability out of the likes of Henderson and Milner too. Like with everything in life it's more complicated than a simple generalisation.
Well obviously having better players and a better manager is better than only having one of those things, it's hardly rocket science what you're saying there. But having a decent coach who knows what he wants is actually a big part of signing and developing good players so...which one is more important? For me the good manager almost always has to come first at the top level.I tend to think football is much simpler than the rest of life and having good players is a requirement of winning trophies. Straightforward stuff.
To me the evidence is clear.
We saw it at United when Fergie had a couple of really bad spells in the transfer market. Didn't matter how good he was, results suffered.
You're seeing the exact same thing now with Klopp. His first 10 signings or so were spot on. Brilliant results on the pitch.
Since then recruitment has been poor and its showing in the results.
I think he's a brilliant manager, the best, but its like F1. Without a top car the driver is limited no matter how talented. Same goes for a football manager.
Unless Liverpool can get back to incredible signings like Mané and Salah they won't be challenging for the league again even with Klopp in charge.
For him to leave, you will need to see how much he values his relationship with the squad and ultimately the club. I felt 20/21 was far more worst (six straight home defeats) with Klopp even having a personal tragedy, yet he did not resign. I suppose the key factor is whether Klopp believes he can achieve success with the squad, which depends on the plans he has with the club (both transfers and academy development) and the overall receptiveness of the squad to his ideas.You describing the absolute minimum conditions for Klopp to be sacked. The conditions for Klopp to leave are unknown. He could decide tomorrow he sees no way out of this mess and in terms of his legacy it would be better to leave now and let the owners take the rap for whatever comes next.
It’s a combination of things.I tend to think football is much simpler than the rest of life and having good players is a requirement of winning trophies. Straightforward stuff.
To me the evidence is clear.
We saw it at United when Fergie had a couple of really bad spells in the transfer market. Didn't matter how good he was, results suffered.
You're seeing the exact same thing now with Klopp. His first 10 signings or so were spot on. Brilliant results on the pitch.
Since then recruitment has been poor and its showing in the results.
I think he's a brilliant manager, the best, but its like F1. Without a top car the driver is limited no matter how talented. Same goes for a football manager.
Unless Liverpool can get back to incredible signings like Mané and Salah they won't be challenging for the league again even with Klopp in charge.
I hate to be seen as defending Klopp, I am just trying to see it from an objective pov. Liverpool's squad needed refreshing. He hasn't been given that opportunity.Tweet
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You know things are bad when even the most rose tinted Pool journos (who haven't said one bad word in 7 years) are losing patience.
Would agree with this. He‘s suffering from the same seventh season syndrome he did at Dortmund. He’s burnt out and will walk to manage another underdog. He doesn’t do well managing under pressure where he’s expected to win every game.Odds of him leaving end of the season and taking a sabbatical are high imo.
He's achieved what he can at Liverpool and is done.
Barcelona or Bayern could be looking for a new manager next season. Maybe Madrid if Ancelotti retires or PSG if they sack their new manager at the end of the season.Where would he go next though, that's the question? And who would replace him?
Yeah I'm not trying to rank which is more important. My point is that once the players are in place, there's only so much a manager can do. Where as the media and fan culture around football today is that managers, or certain one's, can simply coach a squad to winning titles. We're seeing now its not possible if the playing talent is no longer there.Well obviously having better players and a better manager is better than only having one of those things, it's hardly rocket science what you're saying there. But having a decent coach who knows what he wants is actually a big part of signing and developing good players so...which one is more important? For me the good manager almost always has to come first at the top level.