We took control of the game when he moved into his actual position on the right wing. I’m starting to think lots of people in this thread aren’t actually watching the games.
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More like when Garnacho came in and offered an actual threat.
Really can't help questioning why ETH was so desperate to spend such a huge fee on him, of course nobody knows how he will work out in the next few years but still he seems like a similar player to Sancho with a seemingly stronger mentality and work rate. And by that i mean he isn't that pacey or direct he likes to slow it down and cut inside to find a shot or pass etc, which may be especially problematic with how one footed he is.
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I would like to see Sancho in this current version of Manchester United.
No, we were already well in the ascendancy when he came on.
Really? That is a bit far fetched. I’d say based on the very limited time Antony has been here Sancho has shown he is better than what Antony has done so far, at the moment both seem to be struggiling from the same issue on the pitch which is a fear of going past someone or making the right choice when they do. Also Sancho start of the season was easily one of our best players.
Quite looking forward to the Sancho comeback because a performing Sancho and a performing Antony can only be good for the team.
I've seen him do things at Ajax which I simply haven't seen him doing at United and that has little to do with weaker opposition in the Dutch league. By the way, I need one more like to post in the match day forum so if you would be a darling that would be swell.
Antony 700 PL mins 3 goals + 0 assists, xG90 0.29 xA90 0.04 Sh90 3.47 KP90 0.90 - a goal or assist every 233 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.33
Jadon Sancho (last season) 1891 PL mins 3 goals + 3 assists, xG90 0.20 xA90 0.19, Sh90 1.24 KP90 2.00 - a goal or assist every 315 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.39
Jadon Sancho (this season) 737 PL mins 2 goals + 1 assist, xG90 0.15 xA90 0.09, Sh90 0.85 KP90 1.71 - a goal or assist every 246 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.24
Dan James (first season at United) 2291 PL mins 3 goals + 6 assists, xG90 0.14 xA90 0.17, Sh90 1.65 KP90 1.02 - a goal or assist every 255 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.31
Dan James (2nd season at United) 920 PL mins 3 goals + 1 assist, xG90 0.23 xA90 0.13, Sh90 1.66 KP90 0.98 - a goal or assist every 230 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.36
Alejandro Garnacho (this season) 215 PL mins 1 goal + 2 assists xG90 0.46 xA90 0.46, Sh90 3.35 KP 0.84 - a goal or assist every 72 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.92
I'm sure there are other stats that are relevant, such as pass completion (Antony 79%, Sancho 83% both seasons, Dan James 78.7% then 81%, Garnacho 81%) and those that give a sense of defensive contribution. Antony and Dan James seem to work hard for the team while Sancho typically doesn't.
Jadon Sancho (last season) 1891 PL mins 3 goals + 3 assists, xG90 0.20 xA90 0.19, Sh90 1.24 KP90 2.00 - a goal or assist every 315 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.39
Jadon Sancho (this season) 737 PL mins 2 goals + 1 assist, xG90 0.15 xA90 0.09, Sh90 0.85 KP90 1.71 - a goal or assist every 246 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.24
Dan James (first season at United) 2291 PL mins 3 goals + 6 assists, xG90 0.14 xA90 0.17, Sh90 1.65 KP90 1.02 - a goal or assist every 255 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.31
Dan James (2nd season at United) 920 PL mins 3 goals + 1 assist, xG90 0.23 xA90 0.13, Sh90 1.66 KP90 0.98 - a goal or assist every 230 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.36
Alejandro Garnacho (this season) 215 PL mins 1 goal + 2 assists xG90 0.46 xA90 0.46, Sh90 3.35 KP 0.84 - a goal or assist every 72 mins, xG90 + xA90 = 0.92
I'm sure there are other stats that are relevant, such as pass completion (Antony 79%, Sancho 83% both seasons, Dan James 78.7% then 81%, Garnacho 81%) and those that give a sense of defensive contribution. Antony and Dan James seem to work hard for the team while Sancho typically doesn't.
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I thought he was good when he first came on tbf. Hugged the touchline, held the ball up, put himself about. After Garnacho came on, what little we had of the ball all went down our left though.
His workrate and pressing are why he's getting in at the moment. He's our player, he's ETH's and so he'll be given plenty of time.
I am baffled as to where the take-ons went though. Didn't have like the most in Europe last season? He barely does 1 a match now. Very strange.
I am baffled as to where the take-ons went though. Didn't have like the most in Europe last season? He barely does 1 a match now. Very strange.
I would like a journalist to ask ETH if it could have to do with certain instructions and what those instuctions would be.
I'd be happy to help, but I'm not seeing any options to like posts. How do I do it?I've seen him do things at Ajax which I simply haven't seen him doing at United and that has little to do with weaker opposition in the Dutch league. By the way, I need one more like to post in the match day forum so if you would be a darling that would be swell.
Sancho was doing more earlier in the season than Antony's doing now
I have no idea either. I thought I simply didn't have the option yet as a newbie.
Just looked through all my settings and not seeing anything that would let me like a post. Sorry, if someone can advise me what I need to do I'll help you out.
I'd have liked more explosiveness and directness too, but forgetting about the transfer fee, I'm still pretty happy with him - and can only hope he will improve other aspects of his game. He's only 22. He works very hard and follows Ten Hag's instructions and wingers passing stats will often be skewed by crosses. In actual game play he doesn't seem to lose the ball very much.
He's made 15 starts so far. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
If he finishes this season with up around 10 goals and a few assists it will be a good start and I'm sure he will then have a focused summer to work on all the areas this season will identify as needing to improve. If we must look at the fee, then let's assess it 5 or 6 years from now. If he's grown into a productive player over the course of half a decade, it looks like money well spent on a guy who'll only be nearing his peak then.
He's made 15 starts so far. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
If he finishes this season with up around 10 goals and a few assists it will be a good start and I'm sure he will then have a focused summer to work on all the areas this season will identify as needing to improve. If we must look at the fee, then let's assess it 5 or 6 years from now. If he's grown into a productive player over the course of half a decade, it looks like money well spent on a guy who'll only be nearing his peak then.
Sancho had a couple of good games. Let’s not get carried away.
Only scouts can like posts and get you promoted.
He’s 21 - so £84m but if he stays til he’s 28-29 then that’s £10m a season - no probs happy with that. He gets stuck in and he’s got a goal in him. Plus he’s bought into the ETH way.
Ah ok, well that makes sense.
Saying he was doing more than Antony is hardly getting carried away. He was.
He probably didn't realise the difference in quality between the Eridivisie and the PL.
So many are obsessed with Antony's fee but I rarely hear Maguire's fee being discussed.
You preferred Elanga?
You didn't if you never visited the Maguire thread, because i've seen the "80M fraud" written hundreds of times on this forum.
Fair enough but from my experience of talking to football fans be it city or united fans I rarely hear them bring up Maguire's fee.
Rashford did have some decent games for us in a few seasons for us before people wrote him off.
Of course, Anthony should be given more time but the situations are very different.
Of course, Anthony should be given more time but the situations are very different.
Sancho has never looked like one of our best players. Antony has shown more so far. Ask yourself this. After each Sancho performance, if ETH then started someone else over him, would you have screamed sacrilege?
Of course he has, he’s had very good games. At the start of the season for example. Antony has so far looked very average but again, he deserves time before any real judgments are made but from what I’ve seen from both Sancho has produced the better performances so far.
He has because of the way he harrasses opposition when they have possession. Sancho stands still with the ball at his feet, in order to set up a round of recycling possession just as much as Antony but he lacks Antony's defensive prowess
Exactly. Players like Rashford, Martial and Sancho are criticised for performances because we know what they are capable of. As far as Antony is concerned, this is different because we need him to become a better player than he was at Ajax (even just by looking at his contribution). I doubt think anyone here thinks we bought a winger for 80 million because he's good at defending and keeping the ball.
For example Sancho looks a shadow of his former self but IMO he would easily compete with Antony for the RW spot currently.
Antony will improve but I think the biggest mystery is what is his ceiling, a top level he can perform at. This is a bit of a worry considering he has obvious limitations.
That said, I do think the team plays better with him on the RW so no issue for now.
Because people still expect something from Antony.
You'd have more chance to get "like" if posted more than 43 posts in almost 6 years.
ETH seems like the type of football obsessed coach to be a fan of the EPL though especially given how knowledgable he was on United's struggles, if anything he may have just underestimated how much he might have struggled to adapt to the pace of the league much like Sancho.
But that's kinda what i mean does anybody think he would have bought Sancho from Dortmund in Ole's position? I don't and the type of player Sancho is doesn't currently seem like it fits how the team is playing, Antony is similar in that way he just has defensive work rate.
As far as i know only people with the "scout" user group can like posts, primarily their job to search through the newbie forum and find quality posters. In that sense its possible to get them in the mains but your posts have to be really rather good or informative to stand out.
I got my 10th "like" almost exactly 1 year after creating the account but i also didn't post in the newbies that much wasn't focused on getting posting privileges, so if you want out of that situation participate in there as often as you can that's what it is there for.
So true.
He's also in the unenviable position of being the only Ten Hag signing not to hit the ground running.
You’re saying that the bloke who has us level pegging with City was unaware that there’d be a significant distinction between the Eredivisie and the Premier League?
He wanted Antony because we desperately needed a player of his profile and clearly believes he’s good enough. So far, I’m happy enough, and I’m sure he is, too.
long term ETH will want us to develop into a possession based team. In that sense you can see why he wants Antony. He presses, he recyles the ball, often to our dismay as we want him to take defenders on, but he keeps possession ticking over. He chips in with goals, and you'd imagine once he fully settles and continues to work and improve there will be more of an end product with him.
And yet he's scored 5 goals for us with I think 4 of them being the game openers. The other one being that scorcher against City.
He's been underwhelming but is contributing in his own way and fortunately in a big of team of players improving so he can be under the radar.
Might put a cheeky bet on him assisting for Weghorst against Palace.
Bit comical judging him because of the fee; he costed so much therefore he should automatically deliver 10/10 performances every game... Such BS, 80m gets you Maguire... Judge him by what he brings to the team and how he progresses.
So far what he has brought to the team is finally a real RW. He's not afraid to take a man on, plays with grit, toughness, works hard and has that trademark brazilian flair about him with the tricks and dribbling.
What he needs to work on hard is those shots because too many of them are below par. Other than that I am quite happy with him. I wish sometimes instead of making the safe pass he just tries to go past whoevers in front of him but I think that will come with time as confidence gains..
So far what he has brought to the team is finally a real RW. He's not afraid to take a man on, plays with grit, toughness, works hard and has that trademark brazilian flair about him with the tricks and dribbling.
What he needs to work on hard is those shots because too many of them are below par. Other than that I am quite happy with him. I wish sometimes instead of making the safe pass he just tries to go past whoevers in front of him but I think that will come with time as confidence gains..
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