I'm literally just quoting your words - I'm not spinning them in any way, I'm not misrepresenting them, I'm posting them as you wrote them - mainly because you denied it earlier and implied that I was lying. This is the ETH thread, and you have created a confusing scenario where you have been clear that you wouldn't see finishing 3rd and winning 2 cups as much of an achievement, and yet reeled off a list of far lesser achievements as being your reasons for loving Ole as manager. Can you not see that that is a bit odd?
Firstly I like how you didn’t include my post where I clarified myself in the other thread, nice touch.
saying a season where we win a carling cup and finish top four won’t be looked back on in ten years as an amazing season but a stepping stone year does not equate to it being a disappointment.
replying to a poster calling ole awful by stating a few things that happened under him does not equate great memories.
hope That helps.
id love to know what you’re hoping to achieve here, what is it you want? Ridicule? Laughing smileys off posters? What is your whole angle, I find it quite pathetic. Have a nice evening.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
To be honest mate, yeah, maybe there are some who are a-bit younger and don't really get how important he was as a player, and how great that era was for the club. However, I really never saw any actual hate towards him as a person. Some of my posts about Ole pre-Bruno were awful, but I generally wised up after that and tried to be objective.I laughed at one of your posts earlier where you claimed all your posts in here were all top notch and thought how modest of youbut that was a good un, and I probably agree with all of it except one part, I think there are people who have a serious dislike or hate towards ole, and if not that then a serious lack of respect. I just assume they’re kids with no idea of United history, there’s a reason Ole has a banner up at old Trafford, whether he ultimately failed as manager or not.
I think your post summed his tenure up quite well and I think he could be called the manager of false dawns, I still enjoyed his time here though.
anyway enough Ole talk from me in this thread, ten Haag is out guy now and I’m thoroughly happy with that.
Honestly, I did enjoy some of his tenure, I really did. I would have loved to see him lift the EL as our manager, but it wasn't to be.
And yes, let's move forward with ETH. It's been a great start, and I'm seeing a-lot of progress. Hopefully he's backed this summer and we can start controlling games a wee bit better next season. I just feel he's really got the buzz back around the place and the players seem to give a shit again.
So I was reading his posts and wondering wtf?
Went to see his post history. And what do u know. Last posted in Dec 2020 in the keep or sack Ole thread, where he voted to back Ole (which in itself is fine)
And now comes back 2 yrs later, all posts now are basically bashing ETH.
Quite obvious to me he is a Liverpool fan, posing as a United fan.
Just to add, no real united fan is mocking our manager like this.
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can't make your mind up can you fella?!
Still searching for that elusive laughing smiley? Stick at it! I’m sure someone as pathetic as you will give you one eventually.
Heh but not as good as the time Fergie did Nani's celebration
Link that up! I don’t remember it.
Yep, in it for the smilies, that's me!Still searching for that elusive laughing smiley? Stick at it! I’m sure someone as pathetic as you will give you one eventually.
Excellent
How much more fun would it be in here if Oleboii was still around? Ok maybe not
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I think he may be joking....
Damn. Been a long day to be fair.
I wish he wasn't though, it would be epic!The fact this man has us comfortably third, won a trophy and still fighting for 2 more without a #9 and a ball playing CM is insane. For example city have KDB and Haaland for them positions and we literally have nobody yet we are not far off them says so much.
Also on last night I feel he was spot on picking the same side as this team have been incredible this season and one half of football(though disastrous) doesn’t change that. He made a point to the players to show him that was just a freak occurrence and nothing more.
The best thing about him is not the tactical changes he makes in game (though that is top class) it’s the way he gets the players motivated to bounce back from adversity. Under past managers that Liverpool would ruin the season but under him it’s different.
I like the fact last night he didn’t drop one player even though AWB should of been ahead of Dalot I felt he either had to pick the same 11 or make huge changes as you can’t single 1 for that Liverpool performance when everyone was awful
Also on last night I feel he was spot on picking the same side as this team have been incredible this season and one half of football(though disastrous) doesn’t change that. He made a point to the players to show him that was just a freak occurrence and nothing more.
The best thing about him is not the tactical changes he makes in game (though that is top class) it’s the way he gets the players motivated to bounce back from adversity. Under past managers that Liverpool would ruin the season but under him it’s different.
I like the fact last night he didn’t drop one player even though AWB should of been ahead of Dalot I felt he either had to pick the same 11 or make huge changes as you can’t single 1 for that Liverpool performance when everyone was awful
Well I am glad you did some research, I guess it is a crime to want to see our managers get the same treatment from our fans. Considering one is a legend of this club and the other is a Sunday league footballer from the Netherlands.
I have nothing against Ten Hag and I want him to succeed if he stays, which it is looking like he will. All I am simply saying is that the Liverpool result cannot be swept under the rug.
The truth is I read this forum alot and don't feel the need to post very often, but right now I just cannot figure out why the fanbase is so smitten by our manager when our previous manager was not given the same courtesy on here. So I decided to voice my opinion, and for some reason that does not seem to be accepted on here. Which is fine. But whether I am a fan or not is not something that is determined by whether I like our current manager or not, I have supported United since the age of 5, around 1992, and I will continue to do until the day I die.
Maybe you have a problem accepting opinions that are not aligned with your views, but that does not mean you should start with personal insults. Everyone is entitled to an opinion are they not? And a forum is a place for discussion, and it would be very boring if everyone just agreed all the time
Nobody is saying it should be swept under the rug but the biggest reason it was so disappointing is actually a credit to Ten Haag. We have been hammered by Liverpool loads of times over the last seasons even 5-0 at OT but it didn’t get as big a backlash as we were awful.
The fact that Ten Hag has us in all cups and comfortably 3rd while we lack a CM/ST and also come off our worst season ever is an incredible job. The match on Sunday was a disgrace but the shocking part was that we were probably favourites
At the end of the day if we finish 3rd and win 2 trophies it’s been an incredible season coming off where we were and yes it doesn’t make up for the 7-0 it would show that it was once off 45 mins of football
Yeah, at the start of the season i was expecting a fair amount of adjustment and a lot of arguments for patience, especially when he wanted a certain type of midfielder (de Jong) and obviously needs a new striker. He's worked miracles so far imo, especially when you consider just how bad last season was.
Well, I guess that bit that says a lot about how you're going into this.
Exactly, this season feels like 05/06 when you just feel something special is in the works but it’s just a season too soon.
This season will be remembered for the season we got back to winning trophies and the start of us getting back to the top
It’s madness to compare then as players and even more mad to compare as managers.
You're entitled to your opinion.
But you also have to take into consideration that one is a coach (ten Hag) with a proven method when it comes to implementing a play style that correlates to the present day and Solskjaer had never demonstrated that before he was given the United job. So imo, it's understandable why many fans were sceptical of Solskjaer and are more than willing to back ten Hag due to his success at Ajax where he implemented a proactive attacking play style, which helped Ajax punch above it's weight against some of the biggest teams in Europe and caught the eye of the neutral.
Both Klopp and Guardiola inherited teams that were coached by predecessors who almost won the league or won the league in Pellegrini's case. So when you inherit a team that's been coached to play high intensity front foot football, like Liverpool and Man City were before Klopp and Guardiola arrived, then it makes life easier for a new coach to build upon foundations that are already ingrained within the collective unit.
Erik ten Hag on the other hand inherited a team that had been coached to play transitional football. And considering he's having to build the foundations himself, where he's attempting to develop a Manchester United team that plays proactive attacking football with a proactive off the ball pressing game, he's doing remarkably well considering the shit show of last season.
I have a lot of faith in Erik ten Hag and his ideals. And I'm more than confident he will match up with Klopp and Guardiola in the long-run, if he and the football department are backed with significant funds. And a extremely poor second half against Liverpool shouldn't overshadow the many good things that are developing at the club and on the pitch.
Firstly having a trophy is miles worth more than 10 extra points (unless that makes you champions).
Secondly we have come off our worst ever season in the PL. Ole managed a paltry 66 points after the combined Jose-Ole year. Within 25 games ETH has us in pole position for top 4.
Thirdly the improvements we are making in our quality of football is something Ole was never capable of. His signings are also suitable for front foot profess or football rather than the likes of Maguire, Awb and Dan fecking James
Sometimes I think to myself, I really should use the ignore button and that I actively want mods to ban posters for shite takes.
Long live the new King.
that flip alone worth 20 m.I can’t praise Ten Hag enough to give him the credit he deserves.
Absolutely world class coaching and squad management. How he and his team has handle Maguire and Ronaldo. How they have coached Rashford, Fred and AWB to go from almost rock bottom performances to where they’re now. Almost every player in our squad except one two hopeless cases has become better under his guidance. That’s a remarkable achievement.
There’s nothing to criticize. His press conferences and interviews is excellent. Honest, thoughtful and straightforward. He seems genuine and caring without losing his authority against those who cross the line. Lots of similarities with Sir Alex.
Those supporters who don’t see and appreciate the great job he has done on and off the field with a broke Manchester United doesn’t understand football. It’s that simple.
Absolutely world class coaching and squad management. How he and his team has handle Maguire and Ronaldo. How they have coached Rashford, Fred and AWB to go from almost rock bottom performances to where they’re now. Almost every player in our squad except one two hopeless cases has become better under his guidance. That’s a remarkable achievement.
There’s nothing to criticize. His press conferences and interviews is excellent. Honest, thoughtful and straightforward. He seems genuine and caring without losing his authority against those who cross the line. Lots of similarities with Sir Alex.
Those supporters who don’t see and appreciate the great job he has done on and off the field with a broke Manchester United doesn’t understand football. It’s that simple.
You think our assessments of Solksjaer and Ten Hag aren‘t the same, or are assuming they aren‘t. That is not the case.
In comparison, one of them is a top manager while the other is mediocre.
Ten Hag gets a pass for one disastrous half because of his obvious success. It is nothing short of a miracle considering where we were in August and the state of the squad.
Your criticisms are not factual: first of all we have beaten every side in the top 7 of PL, and have been on a winning streak.
He was voted manager of the month in February. Our football is progressive and entertaining.
One very bad result is not going to ruin all the good that has been done. He does not get a free pass either: there is plenty of criticism here all the time.
If anything you are the one who is not fair in their assessment.
My lord, so he’s even trying to bullshit me now?So a season where we finished 3rd and won 2 cups would not be a season to look back on fondly - he'd want to forget it. Whereas, a long run of away wins in empty stadiums, and getting beaten in the final of the Europa Cup, are raised as evidence of how good things once were under Ole!?
The comment about it not being a season he’d look back on fondly is stark raving bonkers.
Were we to finish 3rd (and looking very likely with the 2nd best points total since SAF retired), and win 2 trophies, after the clusterfeck of last season, at the start of a new era, that would be a brilliant season to look back upon extremely fondly.
And make no mistake, he does mention fond times of the no trophies, top 4 days of Ole’a tenure.
If someone can't see the difference between Ten Hag and Ole, you really didn't pay enough attention. Don't blame us for your lack of attention to details. That must be why you were surprised Klopp went on to win the PL and CL, while Mou had a 3rd season meltdown. But how? We had 6 more points than them.
Well, it's the football quality. Looking at only the results is going to make you look silly.
Well, it's the football quality. Looking at only the results is going to make you look silly.
We’ve actually gotten nearly all our tough games out of the way, so our expected points total for the season looks extremely likely to eclipse any season from the previous incumbent, whilst having silverware on top.
Now for some more context, in his first season Ole/Phelan managed a lowly 66 points and no trophies, it was his second season he managed 74 points and as I say, I’ll put my house on ETH beating that by at least 3 points.
All that after last season is frankly incredIble.
That second season for Ole by the way, even got a lot of serious doubters on side. But he followed that up with an absolute clusterfeck of a season and got himself fired.
Basically the main point here, is that in his first season here, ETH looks set to eclipse Ole/Phelan best ever season here. That’s why they have more support.
If ETH was looking like replicating Ole/Phelan’s first season, with no trophies and a shite 66 points, he’d have much less backing.
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