Amen. I'm genuinely shocked that this isn't the majority view. I suppose that's the world we live in now though.1. I think we as a fan base could make a difference yeah, and put pressure on to not accept state ownership. We won’t though because as we’ve seen here, the hypocrisy has been mind blowing, so many who were dead against state ownership are now bending over for the oil money.
It certainly helped with Murdoch and it absolutely made all the difference with the Super League.
2. I imagine I’ll just care less, much less.
3. Hard to know how one will react and much will depend on how we are run, are we like City and PsG taking the absolute piss out of the other 99.9% football clubs? One I know for certain is that us winning will feel much more hollow, winning a league again won’t feel hard earned like it did with Fergie. Do we have to loan Weghorst cause we spunked so much? Or do we go out in Jan and spend 150m?
All in all, I’d imagine us being run a la PsG or City would lead me further away from the club and I’ll certainly be less proud of out achievements as Liverpool’s could be and as Arsenal may be this season.
I think my Mum’s husband gives me a fair idea on how it’ll feel for me. A City ST holder for years and years pre takeover, even in the lower leagues. Kept his ST until the first title win but then gave it up, he celebrated the win but said it felt hollow really, just an inevitability. He doesn’t feel it’s the same club.
He still watches most games on tv, but he’s gone from hardcore blue to “meh”, he’s never really arsed when they lose nor too ecstatic when they win titles.
Weird to see the same person I know was at Wembley going nuts at Dikov’s goals and celebrated for a week, a division 2 play off, now not barely arsed when they win a Premier League title.
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I didn’t mean we keep possession and tour - I meant return them and let the original nation decide to keep on home soil or tour it.
I know I’m not going to change the minds of Suella Braverman, Glazers, or the house of Al Thani - but that defeatist attitude is exactly how you let that insidious thinking prolong. Yeah I won’t change their minds personally but I am allowed to have my own values, and share those values with others and spread that progressive thinking. Especially in an age where there is a massive push back and the Overton window is moving to the right.
If you don’t care, and just want to enjoy your sport why engage with this thread or topic at all?
Did Murdoch himself hack a phone?
You defend Jassim on one hand and shield him from other’s decisions but you think Murdoch should be held directly accountable as a “crook” for Piers Morgan’s actions as editor?
Anyway, it’s besides the point, which is why you’re focusing on it.
Some United fans have a higher moral compass, clearly, it’s got nothing to do with Islamophobia as proven with their protests against Murdoc.
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It's the sad truth.
You do know there’s a difference between proof and evidence…right?Well documented on a football forum by random people. You've answered my question.
He never tried to buy Chelsea. He’s clearly not an idiot, so if he was ever serious about Chelsea he would have bid on time.
He knew exactly what he was doing, and he knew his bid would be rejected out of hand.
Which is why I think he's a bluffer who likes the limelight too much.
It is possible Jassim might also be borrowing from a bank and it's just a business venture. I say this because there were a number of representatives from banks amongst his delegation.
They never engaged in the chelsea process at all. They had their eyes on a different prize and were sending a message. Don’t forget Knighton was already kicking up fuss and linking Sir Jim to United at the time.
Please explain. I'm no lawyer and English is not my mother tongue.
Not just banking guys but two guys from BOA's global Telecom, Media, and Technology practice. To me, that may indicate a different business model and therefore composition of the 95 Foundation's members.
They made a bid which would have cost a fortune to put together. Just because that bid got rejected doesn't mean it didn't happen.
As for "sending a message", an email or phone call would've been better than embarrassing himself in the way he did. All it did was make him seem like a clown.
Think there was mention in his statement that there would be no debt in his bid.
However, he maybe leading a consortium of sorts which is not out of the question.
The 92 foundation could well be a SPV for it, no one knows for sure but everyone is jumping in with assumptions as if they were facts. He could well just be a face for the Qatar State backed bid as well but until we know those details, arguing as if it's certainly a state bid is quite useless.
The SJR bidder for Chelsea to lure the Glazers I'm selling narrative is BS
A- the Glazers don't need this charase to know that there are potential buyers for United. Chelsea is a smaller club and there was fierce competition for it
B- ineos is not very bright on football matters. Its late bid for Chelsea adds fuel to the fire
C- SJR had confessed his split loyalty towards Chelsea. He is also a season ticket holder. I doubt that he is a season ticket holder of man utd
Out of interest, the people that are against Sheikh Jassim for whatever reasons, which would you prefer?
A. Sheikh Jassim
B. The Glazers (or a subset of them) staying funded by Elliott or similar
A. Sheikh Jassim
B. The Glazers (or a subset of them) staying funded by Elliott or similar
I laugh at the mental gymnastics that a billionaire made a multi-billion pound pound bid for "sending a message" to some other club. Like a phone call or an official meeting where he genuinely registers interest is not sufficient.
Yeah it was more attention seeking.
Here’s where I stand, starting to favour the Sir Jim as our next owner. He’s a 70 year old man and I believe that he is in it to create a legacy for himself and the city.
if he can wipe the debts and deal with the infrastructure bit, the club transfers can be sustained by club income. Which is how it should be.
I recognize that my opinion means diddly squat in the grand scheme of things so regardless of who wins, I will judge each on the actions they take as club owner.
in an ideal world though I’d rather not get into state ownership.
if he can wipe the debts and deal with the infrastructure bit, the club transfers can be sustained by club income. Which is how it should be.
I recognize that my opinion means diddly squat in the grand scheme of things so regardless of who wins, I will judge each on the actions they take as club owner.
in an ideal world though I’d rather not get into state ownership.
If there is definitely a separation between Sheikh Jassim and the state of Qatar, then Jassim. If not, I'd rather capital investment.
I laugh at the mental gymnastics that a billionaire made a multi-billion pound pound bid for "sending a message" to some other club. Like a phone call or an official meeting where he genuinely registers interests is not sufficient.
It reveals how elitist sone united fans are. Everything happens because of Manchester united
Fair enough
Im annoyed by childish Qatari journalists acting like they already control the club, saying its Qatari and all that nonsense. A lot of jouvenile posters who are pro Qatar are also a headache in this forum.
Leaving for the game. Hopefully, we have new owners by the time the season ends. Anyone with deep pockets and who has the best interests of the club at heart should hopefully be better than the Glazers. I respect your opinions whether we agree is a different matter. We are not robots and our opinions emanate from our differing circumstances and backgrounds.
That time I went up to Kate Beckinsale, asked for her number and she turned me down. I was actually sending a message to Salma Hayek.I laugh at the mental gymnastics that a billionaire made a multi-billion pound pound bid for "sending a message" to some other club. Like a phone call or an official meeting where he genuinely registers interest is not sufficient.
The point is there's a lot of assumptions being made here and most of them are completely without any proof. However, that's perhaps the only reason this thread is still always at the top of the thread list otherwise there's nothing else to discuss since we last got news of JR visiting OT and Carrington.
Completely agree.
Did you get either
Not just 20 mins ago, they had some guy on Sky Sports bleating on about how United would be letting themselves down by being sold to Qatar and what Qatar represent....then no word of a lie in the next segment they run a promo for the Saudi GP, which I'm sure a lot of hypocrites will be tuning in to. You really can't make this shit up.
This is my issue throwing stones in glass houses. It's also selective ignorance.
Why do all the Pro-Qatari Ownership people think “yeah bet you’ll support United still” is some kind of gotcha that completely validates them and their complete indifference to morality?
Yeah I’ll support United, and yeah I’ll continue to criticise Qatar (and England, and US, and many many other nations and bodies).
Yeah I’ll support United, and yeah I’ll continue to criticise Qatar (and England, and US, and many many other nations and bodies).
You spend an awful lot of time just making stuff up dude. Another classic plant post.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...eam-ineos-owner-makes-late-bid-to-buy-chelsea
I would rather not be the Qatari due to mine and their religious beliefs which align.
Reasons: We're not allowed to sell alcohol which will be the case with the Qatar purchase. Deal with interest if banks are involved. Football is also now associated with gambling in a massive way. Yes, I will admit to being a hypocrite in some form by contributing indirectly by going to matches.
That's sky sports news in a nutshell.
Which kind of shows that sportswashing doesn't really work. I am more concerned with shifty people buying media houses as they are one of the four pillars of democracy. I thought that the independent.co.uk was truly independent up until I had a look at their owners.
They should have stepped in and stopped Roman at the time. He was finally driven out when it came back to bite them on the arse with the Ukraine war.
It doesn't mean supporters up and down the country just accepted it though. Do you not remember the controversy? All the chants around stadiums up and down the country etc? Taking the piss out of Chelsea fans for their club buying the league?
This was one of the most popular ones that got an airing at OT for many years if you remeber?...
Hollow, hollow, hollow,
Chelsea's success is f*cking hollow,
All that money he took,
From that big russian crook,
And you'll never win three in a row...
United fans have pretty much universally condemned City's recent success as hollow. It also winds City fans up into a fury because deep down they know it's true. The fact they've very recently been charged with dodgy financial practices and who knows what could happen there. Booted out of the league hopefully.
Their bid being the highest? 2 days after the deadline which the bidding amounts from all parties were revealed to Raine group? Hmm…someone leaked the bid prices to Ineos I guess.
Not to mention that they are anti Glazer and still support United themselves. It's a stupid sentiment.
I’m amazed you know all pro Jassim supporters here and can confirm that they all have the same “gotcha” moment prepared for their detractors.
Simply amazing.
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