Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

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It appears it was "shortly after" so I don't think the gap was more than a couple of hours at most.
Assuming the report is true. I suspect the navy heard the implosion because they are listening all of the time and perhaps reported the time delay between the loss of contact, them starting to listen and the implosion was to avoid letting everyone know publicly that they detect when a fish farts anywhere in the Atlantic in real time.
 

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Never really understood the draw of ships that sank or sunken vessels. Sweden has one too, the Vasa, it’s the definition of over engineering, they made it the fastest, most powerful boat in the ocean but no one bothered to check if it could actually sail. Sure enough it sank about 15 minutes into its maiden voyage when it tried to turn while moving at speed.

They rescued it from the bottom of the ocean years ago and now it has its own museum, people come from all over to see it. Literally a failed project, total waste of time and money but people want to see it for some reason.
Yeah I went to the museum. It's really interesting and they tell you exactly what the point of the whole thing is. It's a life lesson in how you should question authority and not just doing that you're told. It's really quite explicit.

In simple terms, the King wanted a massive boat and they built it but were under pressure and were afraid to tell him of the structural problems and how unstable it was and launched the thing anyway because nobody wanted to upset the King.

Did you go the museum itself?
 
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This is what happens when a vacuum vessel fails just under the surface, so imagine the force when the pressure inequality is far higher? The difference between inside and outside the vacuum glass vessel is only 1.4psi. The pressure difference between inside and outside a submersible at the depth of the Titanic wreck is about 5500psi or approx. 3900 times greater.

 
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It is not clear yet. There is a report that the vessel lost contact, the navy were informed and started to use some secret sub detecting system to listen and then they heard the implosion. There was no indication how long after the loss of contact the implosion was heard. It is eve quite possible that the loss of contact was caused by the implosion and the navy heard the implosion in real time but don't want to give away that they hear everything all the time. We may or may not find out in due course.
Probably whatever SOSUS or its successor systems are called now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS
 

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Thats my personal take. No billionaire had become a billionaire being a good person or his/her family good people. Also to maintain it if you inherited you are not a good person either. feck them all and i wish them all dead. And at least, their government will collect some inheritance taxes
What a terrible take.

RIP
 

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I have a different question: Why was this story on the front page of bbc.com for three full days?

I mean, there have been mass shootings in the US and the story did not stay on the BBC front page for that long. There have been migrant ships that sunk in the Mediterranean and dozens of people died, and the story did not stay on the front page of BBC for 3 days. Why was this story more important? I am not insensitive, and I am really sorry for the five people that died and their relatives, but still ... it is surprising for me that this became such an important story for BBC.
 

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At the end of this, I say a few things must or should happen in no particular order.
  • OceanGate deserves to be crushed by lawsuits and then go bankrupt.
  • The site of the Titanic should be sealed off from any form of tourism or private exploration.
  • Only government-sanctioned expeditions with the appropriate submersibles should be allowed in the future.
Seriously, the resting place for 1,500 people at such depth should never be a place for tourists nor private companies to go nearby.
-owners dead and pssangers signed waivers for sure. Good luck with that
- lets put some police tape around and some bouncers at 3800 meters
- no government can enforce anything in international waters. If not, this submergible would never be allowed
 

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RIP

implosion was the best outcome possible at this stage I feel

instant death compared to counting down your last hours whilst slowly suffocating to death is some comfort to the loved ones, at least
 

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Thats my personal take. No billionaire had become a billionaire being a good person or his/her family good people. Also to maintain it if you inherited you are not a good person either. feck them all and i wish them all dead. And at least, their government will collect some inheritance taxes
I don’t know anything about the five dead to be able to judge if they are horrible people or not. But you are just acting like a massive judgemental arsehole.
 

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Thats my personal take. No billionaire had become a billionaire being a good person or his/her family good people. Also to maintain it if you inherited you are not a good person either. feck them all and i wish them all dead. And at least, their government will collect some inheritance taxes
Disgusting post.
 

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Thats my personal take. No billionaire had become a billionaire being a good person or his/her family good people. Also to maintain it if you inherited you are not a good person either. feck them all and i wish them all dead. And at least, their government will collect some inheritance taxes
Wow.

I'm not sure that it is that black and white. I'd guess to become that rich most people (but not necessarily all) would need to be ruthless (or worse) to a degree that most of us wouldn't be comfortable with. If you inherit wealth I'm not sure not giving it all away makes you a bad person (but not necessarily a good one either) depending on what you do with your wealth. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to die merely because they are rich and wishing death on rich people probably doesn't exactly make you a saint either.
 

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The Deep Sea Challenger vessel was built to go 30,000+ ft deep. the Titanic wreckage is at around 10,000 ft. They are nowhere the same thing.
Once you get to a depth were you will be instantly crushed if you have a breach then it's pretty much the same thing in practice. Same dangers and issues. Just different levels of hull reinforcement etc required the deeper you go.
 

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Thats my personal take. No billionaire had become a billionaire being a good person or his/her family good people. Also to maintain it if you inherited you are not a good person either. feck them all and i wish them all dead. And at least, their government will collect some inheritance taxes
You are an absolute fecking ghoul.
 

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The Deep Sea Challenger vessel was built to go 30,000+ ft deep. the Titanic wreckage is at around 10,000 ft. They are nowhere the same thing.
Perhaps, they should have been the same thing?

Titan components were only rated for about 3500 feet if I recall correctly.
 

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Yeah that’s a terrifying way to go, hopefully everything ends ok and everyone is fine.

Random but that time a guy made his own sub popped into my head, and he took a reporter in it with him. And then killed her while deep in the ocean, and lied badly about what happened.
What was the motive ????? Was there anyway it was lack of oxygen?
 

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I have a different question: Why was this story on the front page of bbc.com for three full days?

I mean, there have been mass shootings in the US and the story did not stay on the BBC front page for that long. There have been migrant ships that sunk in the Mediterranean and dozens of people died, and the story did not stay on the front page of BBC for 3 days. Why was this story more important? I am not insensitive, and I am really sorry for the five people that died and their relatives, but still ... it is surprising for me that this became such an important story for BBC.
It's a deflection ploy to help stop them mentioning the other implosion...the economy.
 

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I have a different question: Why was this story on the front page of bbc.com for three full days?

I mean, there have been mass shootings in the US and the story did not stay on the BBC front page for that long. There have been migrant ships that sunk in the Mediterranean and dozens of people died, and the story did not stay on the front page of BBC for 3 days. Why was this story more important? I am not insensitive, and I am really sorry for the five people that died and their relatives, but still ... it is surprising for me that this became such an important story for BBC.
Because it was an ongoing story and there was a chance they'd be rescued. The boys lost in the cave was all over the news for days too.
 

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The young man wanted to please his dad because it was Fathers' Day, so he went along with him even though he didn't want to do it and was terrified. That's so sad.

I think his aunt should have kept that information to herself, as it's not going to make his mum feel any better about the whole situation.
 

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Seriously, the resting place for 1,500 people at such depth should never be a place for tourists nor private companies to go nearby.
I don't get this line of thinking. Cemetries, graveyards, mausoleums etc pull millions of tourists every year. Should we not go to Highgate cemetry, or Arlington? should we not visit battle fields like the Somme or Gettysburg? What about Auschwitz or the Killing Fields?

Where do you draw the line?
 

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The young man wanted to please his dad because it was Fathers' Day, so he went along with him even though he didn't want to do it and was terrified. That's so sad.

I think his aunt should have kept that information to herself, as it's not going to make his mum feel any better about the whole situation.
I couldn't agree more, it was heartbreaking reading that.
 

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1/20th of a second…that’s how long it took for it to implode. The 5 men wouldn’t have known anything about it. I take solace in that.

for those who ask why it had so much coverage, I think it’s because it was a live international rescue mission with a potential happy ending - being by the titanic was an element too that added to the story. I’m pretty sure the Argentinian sub that went missing a few years ago also got a lot of coverage, as did the Thai cave boys. All were live rescue missions.

at the end of the day, I think a simple RIP is all that needs to be said and some on here who post (eg 4bars “I wish them all dead”) ill on them are a disgrace.
 

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The young man wanted to please his dad because it was Fathers' Day, so he went along with him even though he didn't want to do it and was terrified. That's so sad.

I think his aunt should have kept that information to herself, as it's not going to make his mum feel any better about the whole situation.
There have been a lot of things with this situation which show how grotesque and how awful the media is. Also stretching how weird the public is.