Paul the Wolf
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What about trying to do trade deals (that you've failed at) and hoping to ship goods halfway across the world when you're biggest customer and supplier is 22 miles across the sea.
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Most people understood trans issues just fine even four or five years ago. The subject has since been weaponised by the right as part of the culture wars and trans folk have been demonised in the same way immigrants are. It’s preposterous.Welcome to politics. Power, public perception and timing are key.
A comment that is made one day is terrible but not politically damaging but another day it is.. a sincerely held position may be what you want but if the public doesn't accept it you have to time when to push to change the narrative right and get the changes you want etc.
Most people are boomers that don't get trans issues, but most people understand a mother's love, how painful it must be to lose a child, and how objectionable it is to be rude to guests.. but no instead of using the opportunity to push for acceptance and move the needle, let's just be snarky shits, eh
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I did think this as well. The tories will just tell you they don’t like you.Tweet
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In a way, Sunak is the real victim here.Most people understood trans issues just fine even four or five years ago. The subject has since been weaponised by the right as part of the culture wars and trans folk have been demonised in the same way immigrants are. It’s preposterous.
They had to get another pledge dropped before the day ended!Vote Labour!
Labour’s pledge to insulate 19m homes in a decade has been thrown into doubt after the party confirmed it would not spend £6bn a year allocated for the scheme if its fiscal rules did not allow, while the government claimed it would cost twice that.
Labour officials confirmed on Wednesday the party would not spend the full £6bn previously promised for home insulation until later in the parliament, and might not at all if it were to result in rising levels of government debt.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-19m-homes-thrown-into-doubt-over-debt-fears
Apathy is perfect for another five years of Tory rule. Can't wait guys, the plan is working perfectly.Tweet
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Answered your own question Paul, first it's illegal activity; second it is not priority for a large section of the public and is taking the headlines away from other matters; thirdly the problems inherent in setting up coherent legal entry routes (even if the government has the will to do so) cannot be solved overnight, it needs a 'joined up' and 'thought out' policy on migration, covering; asylum seekers, economic migrants, returners, dependents, etc. and crucially that has the support of the majority of the UK public.Why does the illegal trafficking have to stop first? Open legal routes and it puts it out of business just about. Problem solved. But we know why - it wouldn't satisfy those who want to blame immigrants.
Not another myth (Brexit or not), in many areas outside of the main conurbations, wages did fall in retailing, parts of hospitality, and in certain areas of health and social care. Even in skilled areas relating to construction, hourly rates fell. It was because wages in the EU had begun to rise that many people decided to move back to their homeland, even before the Brexit vote, in particular Polish construction workers.Wages were lower because of freedom of movement from Europeans? Another myth of Brexit. If that was the case why were/are the salaries in many EU countries higher than the UK - they must have moved to be poorer?
No, I believe a way has to be found, and especially in the longer term, to make sure this country survives the aftermath of Brexit. That decision taken in 2016 cannot be reversed, because what we had and the position we had with the EU can never be replaced. Even if the majority in the UK wants to return to the EU, in say ten years, the currency questions, the rebates, the 'opt outs' etc. will not be replaced or indeed replicated. We are now a third country as far as the EU rhetoric is concerned. Also if a new Jacques Delor becomes EU President the march towards ever closer union will once again prove a stumbling block.I know you believe Brexit will work and so does Starmer
No Paul, I was heavily involved in Education, Industrial Training and related Management issues before I retired in 2012. British companies regularly under invested in training, after the ITB's and TECS etc had run their course and government direct funding support virtually dried up. What money there was from the late 1990's was being gradually diverted to establishing a 14 -19 Vocational Pathway, this was suppose to bridge the latter part of secondary education 14-16 and the first part of tertiary education 16-19, and eventually for some leading to High Education Degree's. However this never happened, as it was envisage, since the 14-16 (secondary) was running on 'narrow gauge' and the 16-19 (tertiary) running on 'wide gauge' and nobody noticed until it was too late.British people were supposed to be doing after 'x' years of training.
The tories are around 20 points behind Labour. The plan isn’t working.Apathy is perfect for another five years of Tory rule. Can't wait guys, the plan is working perfectly.
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If it's not a priority why does the British media and politicians mention it every single day. You, yourself said the boat people needed to be solved first. They do not want it solved. Distractions everywhere.Answered your own question Paul, first it's illegal activity; second it is not priority for a large section of the public and is taking the headlines away from other matters; thirdly the problems inherent in setting up coherent legal entry routes (even if the government has the will to do so) cannot be solved overnight, it needs a 'joined up' and 'thought out' policy on migration, covering; asylum seekers, economic migrants, returners, dependents, etc. and crucially that has the support of the majority of the UK public.
Not another myth (Brexit or not), in many areas outside of the main conurbations, wages did fall in retailing, parts of hospitality, and in certain areas of health and social care. Even in skilled areas relating to construction, hourly rates fell. It was because wages in the EU had begun to rise that many people decided to move back to their homeland, even before the Brexit vote, in particular Polish construction workers.
No, I believe a way has to be found, and especially in the longer term, to make sure this country survives the aftermath of Brexit. That decision taken in 2016 cannot be reversed, because what we had and the position we had with the EU can never be replaced. Even if the majority in the UK wants to return to the EU, in say ten years, the currency questions, the rebates, the 'opt outs' etc. will not be replaced or indeed replicated. We are now a third country as far as the EU rhetoric is concerned. Also if a new Jacques Delor becomes EU President the march towards ever closer union will once again prove a stumbling block.
Starmer knows he has to make the 'best of a bad' job he knows that very well and will have to move carefully with the EU, as well as at home, to try to fix what can be fixed and to seek new arrangements going forward. The world has changed since 2016 and will change even more in the next two decades, old habits and instincts will linger but they have to be over come, starting from where we are, not where we would like to be. Even the Tories (most of them anyway) who are unlikely to have much of a say in matters for the foreseeable future have realised the sense of retaining the EU laws in many areas... that could be a place for Starmer to start?
No Paul, I was heavily involved in Education, Industrial Training and related Management issues before I retired in 2012. British companies regularly under invested in training, after the ITB's and TECS etc had run their course and government direct funding support virtually dried up. What money there was from the late 1990's was being gradually diverted to establishing a 14 -19 Vocational Pathway, this was suppose to bridge the latter part of secondary education 14-16 and the first part of tertiary education 16-19, and eventually for some leading to High Education Degree's. However this never happened, as it was envisage, since the 14-16 (secondary) was running on 'narrow gauge' and the 16-19 (tertiary) running on 'wide gauge' and nobody noticed until it was too late.
A lot of British industry felt let down and wanted the support of the ITB's to be returned and funded by the Government, but that didn't happen and a lot of British companies effectively 'took their ball home' and effective widespread industrial and some commercial training died out, well almost. From my view point, it was usually the foreign-owned companies, who were more committed to and undertook to provide training themselves or occasionally with private training outlets. Probably why they had a surplus of expertise?
I have no idea how people see labour as the same as the Tory's. Even if labour are centre right (we shall see on that when they get into power), the Tory's are very, very far right of that and incredibly corrupt and inept.The tories are around 20 points behind Labour. The plan isn’t working.
People see two very similar centre right parties. Labour are getting picked now because they haven’t been in power for over a decade but no one is expecting anything to get better. Plus it’s the job of politicians to push back against peoples apathy.
ah come on. @Maticmaker and @Paul the Wolf aren't that bad.
if there’s a second one, miss uk is going to be one hell of a close contest this year.Speaking of our liz, I swear I walked past Therese Coffey the other day.
Felt harsh tbh, incaae it wasn't her. The British public doesn't deserve that.
Both parties are offering austerity, have conservatives social views and agree on foreign policy(Starmer backed the PM bypassing parliament to bomb Yemen and said on tv that Israel has the right to cut off water and food from Gaza)I have no idea how people see labour as the same as the Tory's.
the Tory's are very, very far right of that and incredibly corrupt and inept.
.The party accepted an illegal donation of £600,000. Starmer has accepted more corporate freebies over the past two years than every other Labour leader since 1997put together. The shadow business secretary, his wife-come-senior-assistant, and a senior Starmer staffer accepted luxury Glastonbury tickets from Google, then announced they were scrapping plans to hike the digital service tax the next day. Shadow cabinet members, including Starmer, have corporate lobbyists placed in their staff teams.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/la...obbying-donations-ditch-progressive-policies/
You can disagree with policy decisions and I disagree with quite a few from Labour but in terms of gutter politics and nasty politicians, the Tories are in a league of their own.Both parties are offering austerity, have conservatives social views and agree on foreign policy(Starmer backed the PM bypassing parliament to bomb Yemen and said on tv that Israel has the right to cut off water and food from Gaza)
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You can disagree with policy decisions and I disagree with quite a few from Labour but in terms of gutter politics and nasty politicians, the Tories are in a league of their own.
I thought judges were supposed to be independent of politicians
Also Starmer said on national television that Israel has the right to stop water and power from Gaza. That’s a war crime.
It’s sucks that Labour are now David Cameron Tory party but that is the reality we live.
I don’t agree with Labours policy on Gaza. But I’ll judge them when they are in power. How much money have the Tories given to their mates and decimated public services. If you are comparing one poster to all of the dog whistle and culture war stuff that the Tories have done then it doesn’t even compare.
Also Starmer said on national television that Israel has the right to stop water and power from Gaza. That’s a war crime.
It’s sucks that Labour are now David Cameron Tory party but that is the reality we live.
One down.https://labourlist.org/2023/10/labo...ummary-policy-manifesto-party-conference/?amp
Out of that giant morass of bullet points and ambiguities what would you say are the top 5 headline policies that will define a Starmer government?
I managed to divine nine or ten contenders that seem to contain at least some concrete proposals, some of which might even have their own subclauses:
There's an enormous amount of guff in the link you provided. Lots of meaningless platitudes like "break down the barriers to opportunity" and "unlock the potential of" or amorphous and materially lacking indications of future endeavours: We learn that Labour will "develop plans which will see", "develop policies to ensure", "set out a clear roadmap for" "deliver a long term plan that" and "introduce standards that will." It all sounds very exciting and yet despite its verbosity is very slight on fundamental detail.
£28bn Green Prosperity Plan (implementation towards the end of the next parliament and highly dependent upon state of economy).- Minimum wage to be remodelled as a "genuine living wage" and updated to reflect a yet to be defined standard under the remit of the Low Pay Commission
- Repeal the 2016 Trade Union Act and other 2022 anti-strike legislation, although this seems to be up in the air
- Introduce a points based immigration system.
- Introduce the 'Take Back Control Act', similar to the Conservatives, allowing local authorities to take more control over areas like industrial strategy and transport (bit short on detail).
- Reduce the voting age to 16 (not sure if this is set in stone)
- Renationalise the railways as and when contracts expire.
- Free breakfast clubs and the overseeing of toothbrushing.
- 13k more community police officers (or PCSO's); halving knife crime in 10 years.
- 8.5k more mental health staff
My main takeaway is that that page is going out of its way to sound like it's a lot more than it actually is.
Edit: I confess I did try to read it all but my eyes started to involuntarily glaze over on many more than one occasions.
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