That just sounds like she's trying to drum up traffic for her podcast.She really can’t hid her bias.
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That just sounds like she's trying to drum up traffic for her podcast.She really can’t hid her bias.
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No, I have no choice but vote Labour though. It's a wasted vote because Tories will win my seat but the only opposition is Labour, and if it's comes down to 1 or 2 votes me voting for anybody but Labour will get me a Tory mp.Thankfully what these elections show is I can safely vote for greens in the general and it won't have any effect on the goal of getting the Tories out.
I don't think anyone authorised to speak for Labour has said anything like that?That's about the size of it.
Doubly so if they win the West Midlands mayoralty.
No I think that the BBC should have named and shamed the person who said that if it was true. I don't trust the BBC.I don't think anyone authorised to speak for Labour has said anything like that?
I don't think anyone authorised to speak for Labour has said anything like that?
He's the Reg Holdsworth lookalike on the party's NEC. Same fella who compared the councillors leaving the party to Labour 'shaking off the fleas'.No I think that the BBC should have named and shamed the person who said that if it was true. I don't trust the BBC.
Fair enough, don't you think there is an issue with journalists giving up sources if those sources say something that is objectionable? When do you think it's ok for a journalist to reveal a source, and wouldn't that have an overall impact on a liberal society?No I think that the BBC should have named and shamed the person who said that if it was true. I don't trust the BBC.
Who do the BBC need to give up the source? The Starmer Party clearly know who said it.Fair enough, don't you think there is an issue with journalists giving up sources if those sources say something that is objectionable? When do you think it's ok for a journalist to reveal a source, and wouldn't that have an overall impact on a liberal society?
That's okay for Labour, but the BBC should be outing him. Yes, the shaking the fleas was abhorrent. He should be gone already.
He's the Reg Holdsworth lookalike on the party's NEC. Same fella who compared the councillors leaving the party to Labour 'shaking off the fleas'.
The fact they're not telling you who it is, is so you can't find out that they're still representing the party tomorrow, next week, next month and next year.
Why should they? He's Labour's problem. They clearly know who said it.That's okay for Labour, but the BBC should be outing him. Yes, the shaking the fleas was abhorrent. He should be gone already.
If a political figure says something that objectional they should be saying who it is. Protecting a racist just because they are a source is not acceptable.Fair enough, don't you think there is an issue with journalists giving up sources if those sources say something that is objectionable? When do you think it's ok for a journalist to reveal a source, and wouldn't that have an overall impact on a liberal society?
Even the Starmer Party isn't pretending it's a made up quote. Why are you?I find stuff like this fascinating. It's so open to corruption. My "senior labour source" said x racist thing. Can't tell you who it was sorry.
For the record I am not saying that's what has happened here or that people should have to give up sources, but its so open to just completely making stuff like this up.
I agree. Name and shame or it's BS.I find stuff like this fascinating. It's so open to corruption. My "senior labour source" said x racist thing. Can't tell you who it was sorry.
For the record I am not saying that's what has happened here or that people should have to give up sources, but its so open to just completely making stuff like this up.
I think that the BBC is so far right that it's not an independent source.Even the Starmer Party isn't pretending it's a made up quote. Why are you?
What was the official Labour line on what was said?It would have been nice for Keir Starmer to come out and issue a public statement denouncing the Labour spokesman, pledging to remove them from the party, and to make clear these views are unacceptable in the party.
You know, like he has done when someone said something anti-Semitic.
Did you just get half way through my post and give up or can you just not read.Even the Starmer Party isn't pretending it's a made up quote. Why are you?
It was said. The guy who said it sits on the party's NEC and faced no punishment when he compared councillors leaving the party over the leader being a war crimes apologist to fleas.
What was the official Labour line on what was said?
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A bunch of MPs have said the person should be kicked out of the party, but in such a way that doesn't involve naming them - so we can't find out when they inevitably not only remain within the party but remain sat on its NEC. Luckily the media have already grown bored of it, like they did when they were comparing councillors to fleas, so no harm done. The Guardian were even editing the problematic bit out of the quote when using it yesterday afternoon.What was the official Labour line on what was said?
'Here's how the BBC would make it up, but I don't think it happened here. But if it was made up, which it isn't, this is how they'd do it. Not that I'm saying they have, but this is how they could. Also, here's their motive, for something I'm not saying they've done'Did you just get half way through my post and give up or can you just not read.
Ok you've lost your mind.A bunch of MPs have said the person should be kicked out of the party, but in such a way that doesn't involve naming them - so we can't find out when they inevitably not only remain within the party but remain sat on its NEC. Luckily the media have already grown bored of it, like they did when they were comparing councillors to fleas, so no harm done. The Guardian were even editing the problematic bit out of the quote when using it yesterday afternoon.
'Here's how the BBC would make it up, but I don't think it happened here. But if it was made up, which it isn't, this is how they'd do it. Not that I'm saying they have, but this is how they could. Also, here's their motive, for something I'm not saying they've done'
Ok, it is a terrible statement and shouldn't have been said, but what level of proof do you think it's appropriate to have before naming/taking action against an individual? If this quote was given on a confidential basis to a journalist then you/the party may be pretty certain who said it but where is the evidence beyond feelings if the journalist doesn't name the source and the source doesn't come forward?A bunch of MPs have said the person should be kicked out of the party, but in such a way that doesn't involve naming them - so we can't find out when they inevitably not only remain within the party but remain sat on its NEC. Luckily the media have already grown bored of it, like they did when they were comparing councillors to fleas, so no harm done. The Guardian were even editing the problematic bit out of the quote when using it yesterday afternoon.
That's all well and good if the source is somebody who is informing the journalist about someone who is committing a crime(Racism), but if the source is the racist they shouldn't be protected.Ok, it is a terrible statement and shouldn't have been said, but what level of proof do you think it's appropriate to have before naming/taking action against an individual? If this quote was given on a confidential basis to a journalist then you/the party may be pretty certain who said it but where is the evidence beyond feelings if the journalist doesn't name the source and the source doesn't come forward?
Criticism of the journalist for not naming the source may be valid, but overall I think it's better to live in a society where journalists will protect their sources as I think that freedom of information is beneficial on balance even if it can at times seem unfair/frustrating.
It depends if the source is the racist, then no.Agree with danh, sources should be protected. Positives outweigh the negatives.
Especially if the source is a potential political representative. I'd like to know if my local MP or councillor had made bigoted statements for example.It depends if the source is the racist, then no.
The journalist won't reveal their source because then nobody would provide them with anything. The source doesn't need to come forward because the party he was speaking for knows who said it, but if they say who it is their claim that they don't speak for the party become even more laughable than it is now. He's not a MP, but he's on the NEC, he's got previous for saying exactly this sort of thing and faced no punishment for it. He's untouchable and the fact the party isn't ever going to out him shows that they think that too. He represents them now, he'll represent them tomorrow and he'll represent them next week/month/year.Ok, it is a terrible statement and shouldn't have been said, but what level of proof do you think it's appropriate to have before naming/taking action against an individual? If this quote was given on a confidential basis to a journalist then you/the party may be pretty certain who said it but where is the evidence beyond feelings if the journalist doesn't name the source and the source doesn't come forward?
Criticism of the journalist for not naming the source may be valid, but overall I think it's better to live in a society where journalists will protect their sources as I think that freedom of information is beneficial on balance even if it can at times seem unfair/frustrating.
So Labour shit on Muslim voters, likening them to Hamas, to blame for them losing an election they've won anyway?
I'm intrigued about how you know this?The journalist won't reveal their source because then nobody would provide them with anything. The source doesn't need to come forward because the party he was speaking for knows who said it, but if they say who it is their claim that they don't speak for the party become even more laughable than it is now. He's not a MP, but he's on the NEC, he's got previous for saying exactly this sort of thing and faced no punishment for it. He's untouchable and the fact the party isn't ever going to out him shows that they think that too. He represents them now, he'll represent them tomorrow and he'll represent them next week/month/year.
Luckily for Starmer our media are more likely to ask him where he thinks Lord Lucan is than to name and shame the Reg Holdsworth lookalike.