He’s actually basically correct. They finished 8th on 61 points with a +16 GD. We will likely not get to 61 points and will definitely not match that GD. So even though he struggled in his first months, it was still better than this United team.
He's not even in the top 6 LCBs
You have to be joking, you can be sure he’d win the CL?
It helps when you get kicked out of 50% of competitions before January....
I think you’re probably right. He needs to win the cup.
Indeed, it's gotten to the point where even Arteta early seasons look alright compared ours. Yet some of our fans still come up with excuses.
I agree. The adversity he's faced this season is incredible. Close to 30 different back four constellations, injuries, RW rape allegations, braindead personal errors, diva behaviours, poor squad depth etc.
I said likely. He went close with a well oiled Ajax team. Bayern is clearly a level or two higher than the Dutch team, so why wouldn’t he win it if he goes there?
Absolutely nailed it,however looks like INEOS have bought into all of his reasons for failure this seasonWe will lose the final and not qualify for the EL even. And some on here would still give him another season? What for, to fight for the EL places? To have us on 10th place by Christmas? Jesus christ
He is a loser, had 2 seasons and gets worse by the month. We are going downhill. Yes, lets give him another year to waste. Pathetic
The facking Arsenal fans all wanted facking Arteta facking sacked, fams. But blud, look where man is now fams. They could win the league bro, and Arteta will be a hero innit.
Yes we still need investment. We let about 8 players leave on a free and then also had many overpaid players to shift. We have signed about 7 permanent players of course we will still need investment and no club gets all of their transfers right (see the first forward and goal keeper signed by Pep at City)
He didn’t go close, did he. He got to a semi final with an Ajax team filled with great talent; he was then eliminated by Lucas Moura and Tottenham. Even the most ardent Ten Hag supporters wouldn’t argue he’s likely to win a tournament that the greatest manager in the world took half a decade to win, with a team accused of financial doping. A manager likely to win the most prestigious trophy in club football wouldn’t have us performing like we have, and sitting as low in the table as we are, with the talent available to him.
He got to a semifinal once. Beyond that he won two knockout ties in his entire Ajax spell, against Lille and Young Boys, and got knocked out by Nice, Rosenborg, Getafe, Roma and Benfica in his remaining attempts. He’s not some amazing European manager, his legend is built on two knockout ties against Juve and Real 5 years ago.
Jose and LVG got the same poor treatment here. And they won the CL. They too were expected to deliver despite having an average squad to work with. I don't understand the fans' expectations. You can make a pig wear makeup, but it's still a pig.
This would be like 2021 but worse. I badly wanted OGS sacked after that joke of a final performance and it was clear we were on a hiding to nothing, yet we just waited and threw another season in the bin. Things got so bad so quickly, that even we had to sack him early enough to allow us to qualify for the CL knock-outs at least.
Bayern bailing us out by poaching ETH, taking the decision out of the hands of the potential saps in charge, would be too good to be true.
Agree to disagree. No manager in the world would've gotten us a top four position with this squad.
Like I said previously, opinions
This is just an insane position considering the points we've dropped to the teams we've dropped. You've essentially been brainwashed by the bald liar.
The squad is good enoogh
Personally I would be absolutely staggered if Tuchel is even still on the market by November
Actually if some unfair penalty calls had gone our way and we had avoided collapsing so often, we would be up there. Even with all the injuries.
I could literally have written this post as I feel exactly the same about Nagelsmann as first choice, Tuchel doing a job for a couple of seasons and Erik never being Fergie in a million years
No he's not. He finished 8th twice and then 5th. He finished 8th. If we finish 8th then we can be on par.
Thank you. Our disagreement centers around the expectations we have for our team. Player for player I don't think we're better than the teams we've lost to in recent months. By name, our club should beat most of them, but that was decades ago. We're Man Utd, but our players are not.
No it doesn't. Arteta didn't have a patch of comparable injuries and finished 8th.
Brentford collapse should have been wake up call but no it led to same thing happening against Chelsea, scousers and nearly Coventry too
Yeah, I back mine up. You can't but say others are wrong.
I am getting another deja vu with OGS where Poch was clearly waiting for us to sack him and get the job. Then followed our awful start to 2020 and OGS gave that interview that he'd be successful here and we stared winning.
Fully expecting Alonso to take Real job when he leaves Leverkusen or maybe even scousers if Slot has a really disastrous start which is very possibleThank you!
I would take Alonso here over Ten Hag in a heartbeat.
But as he’s not available I’m unconvinced by the alternative names suggested. Given they are all coming off the back of largely unsuccessful seasons.
2.14 goals per game in the league since Jan.
CL not included as it was before that period anyway.
I’ve also said this before in this thread. If we’re arguing over .16 of a goal per game I’m not too worried about the strength of my argument here
You arent alone here. I’ve very mixed feelings on if he should stay or go
Some of our fans have gone from taking the absolute piss out of Arteta for it, to holding it up as an example of a positive trajectory we're following. They were wrong then and they're wrong now. They only see it when it slaps them in the face and they can't escape the fact anymore.
So you want to keep him, but think we'll still be shit in two years anyway if we replace him? Why? Because you think every manager we hire has to inevitably turn out to be rubbish or self implode like Jose? Or do you just think we're going to be rubbish from here on out either way and you'd rather ETH be the face of this period? One day, we'll get ourselves a good manager, and it might not even be the fancied option, but at that point all of this will be forgotten about.
I actually think he can turn it around. It’s not a popular opinion around here so I don’t really post much in these threads
Thank you. I rest my case
Yeah always remember when Scholes said we should keep Moyes in a post match interview after City beat us 3-0. The only thing he did right was putting in place a deal for Kroos, unfortunately LVG stupidly pulled the plug for some reason.
