Welcoming in a nutcase, another reason not to vote for Starmer’s Red Tories.
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JRM and Braverman will cross the floor next and be welcomed with open arms.
Are Labour that desperate to be seen as scoring a point over the Tories that they'll take someone like that?
Every day it seems the Labour Party is giving me one more reason not to vote for them.
The state of this...
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Very funny.
Yeah not sure this is the win Labour think it is… on a local level what’s the general election campaign going to be like in Dover now?
It’s going to come crashing down rapidly on Starmer at some point, absolutely feck all substance to his “Changed Labour Party TM” beyond flag shagging and stealing Tories. Really is the Southgate of political leader.
It’s going to come crashing down rapidly on Starmer at some point, absolutely feck all substance to his “Changed Labour Party TM” beyond flag shagging and stealing Tories. Really is the Southgate of political leader.
Presumably if Man City win the PL, Starmer will reveal he was a lifelong City fan.
Not really a problem in my eyes. He’ll win the GE. Perhaps the next as a cakewalk as 4 years isn’t that long in Politics. Perhaps 2-3 Green MP’s At the next turn in 2029. And a Labour Party able to move closer to Corbyn policies from a position of strength beyond that. This off the back of a better national
Landscape that now. It’s the hope that kills yoj.
This framed by Southgate being fantastic for England for at least 4+ years, then running out of ability.
Fecking hell she posts here!
Fair play Starmer is keeping to his word
Why do you guys do this childish shit?
16 years ago. Arsenal mentioned.
It’s so easy to check. Just stop.
It’s also easy to check and find out that he’s not really an England fan. On that one he’s political and it grates with me. But he’s an Arsenal fan and hasn’t just picked it up recently. Coverage has increased as Arsenal are good and he’s in the public eye. He goes to home matches, lives ‘near’ the ground and has been spotted at games, at pubs in the area, and on the Overground on the way there.
We’ve become so deeply mistrusting of politicians over the last 20 years. But in this space, on a football forum, we can absolutely prove that he likes what we like, is a somewhat tidy player for an old git, and wholesomely enjoys one passion that we all do too.
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Yep, I would slam the door in their fecking faces.
It was a joke.
Being the most incompetent Labour leader in my lifetime is not.
Ah, the famous pivot.
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Yeah I was prepared to be pragmatic and vote Labour to get the Tories out but feck that.
Changing the Tory badge to red isn’t a reason to vote.
Changing the Tory badge to red isn’t a reason to vote.
The other day he said he wanted to leave NATO to protect the UK's borders. Probably should have stuck to cricket.
He's been reading into Galloway a bit more then.
Alright Natalie.
Eh? That's what he said. Amongst other moronic things.
Why are Labour accepting these cnuts?
It's an interesting question and one that I'll still be asking myself when I'm voting for Labour.
Why didn't Starmer just lead the Torys? All he's done is turn Labour into Torys of 5 years ago. What a bellend, can't stand the bloke.
Showing some moral backbone is off putting to voters. Or something.
The end result will be apathy, which will lead to more of the same. More privatisation, more running down of essential services, more kicking the can down the road when it comes to green issues, house building and infrastructure upgrades. More soundbites about magic money trees, people in dinghies and benefit scroungers. More cringeworthy interviews after yet more u-turns. More flag shagging, more cap doffing and more peerages for those that toe the line. More than ever before, we'll have more of the same. And we'll be grateful for it.
I’m not his biggest fan. I’ll often come across as a practical apologist.
But let’s be honest, Corbyn led with better policies for more people and got absolutely annihilated.
Starmer has inherited a seemingly unelectable party (media narrative, not mine. I campaigned for Corbyn) against an 80 seat majority government. He’s led that opposition party to constant wins, changed the entire view of both Labour and the Tories in a few short years.
I don’t really buy the narrative that the Tories imploded in isolation. I think his leadership and messaging is worth at least 50% of that overturning.
I don’t think he’s a galvanising force. I don’t think he’s a great orator. He often seems scared to speak his mind and gets preoccupied with electability. But also… he’s going to lead a Labour victory that was simply outside of anyone best case scenario after the last election.
It’s all a bit shit. But I don’t think we get to keep Corbyn policy for the last four years and end up where we are now. He’s definitely conceded waaaay too much ground, and may regret it. But I do really vibe with the ‘Decade of National Renewal’ stuff. I think massive strides will be made in so many areas of public life. I won’t be happy with all of it. But he’s going to make the country better.
This ‘He’s a red Tory’ is for the birds.
I’m all for the political window shifting back to the left over the next 10 years. But that isn’t what is happening. Starmer is SO defensive with his election strategy that he actively undermines this process - see every u-turn made since being appointed leader in the context of the incumbent government having historically low approval ratings. See all the appointments made to the Labour advisory team, as highlighted in this thread. Changed Labour isn’t to the left, it’s objectively to the right and aligns with the vision of those who run the show. This defection is truly mental for Labour, but sadly not surprising.
And I know this isn’t a football thread, but to keep the analogy going - Southgate has failed as a risk averse manager who has made terrible decisions at the most crucial moments. Starmer has the capital to take risks with progressive policies - Corbyn’s policies were by and large really popular (hence being copied by Johnson, when he felt he could).
But that’s all been forgotten/deliberately ignored in the long running strategy of “only the centre-right win elections”. They will definitely have a strategy on how to convince Frank Hester to donate to Labour.
Exactly. It just shows those values and principles are very much things of the past. I'd have told her to get fecked.
We mostly agree on principle. I still maintain that Starmers policies are to the left of Blair’s, but that’s not saying much. Rachael Reeves is to the right of Brown by a distance, and it’s that position that dictates the direction of the country more than the PM.
He’s a good man though. It’s that I cling to. He’ll do a good job. It’s our job as voters to ensure he moves closer to us. In my dream scenario, the Lib Dems chase some left wing votes, rather than become an additional alt-Tory party. Dreamland probably. I also thought that Clegg was going to rein in Cameron and look at how that little financial feckfest turned on me.
Again; Hope = Death.
Easy answer - cost/benefit calc was that it hurt the Tories more than Labour. Probably correct. But not without risk.
Starmer is firmly in the ‘Death by a thousand cuts’ doctrine. Seeing Rishi shit his pants today at PMQ’s today after the right-wing defector announce minutes before… sends a message to sitting Tories in the house, but upsets you and I.
It’s constant pressure and it’s worked for years now. I think it was a cut misjudged, but Sunak had a full on meltdown today. He looked like a schoolboy. Maybe that’s meaningful in future. I suspect not, but I’m not a political strategist.
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Honestly, it isn't even the MPs that are the issue for me. It's the advisors, who will have significant say in the manifesto. And that'll be the final acid test to what this Labour party actually stands for, because they are heading for a significant majority which means they'll be able to vote through whatever is in their manifesto without much issue, as the Lords will back it due to the Salisbury Principle.
So if they go really defensive in the manifesto and don't commit to anything, then you can bet that the next Labour government will be a continuation of the current shit show - only they'll be more competent! I back Yvette Cooper to see through a much better technical bill on deporting immigrants to Rwanda than any of the last five Tory home secretaries, Labour would really make that policy work. Yay!
Like you I obviously hope to see a progressive manifesto, but literally nothing that Starmer has done since coming into the leadership suggests it will be. And yes, Rachel Reeves is a fecking nightmare - again, she'll actually see through Free Ports becoming a thing instead of the useless incumbents.
This is sensible. I doubt many in this thread would have had today as their final straw.