Nah, team deserves the blame IMO given he asked if it was ok to do a practice start there and they told him it was.
F1 2020 Season
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Couldn't help laughing when I heard it, silly cnut
Oh really? I didn't hear that.
Team told him he could do what he did, so that’s on them.
In Q2 he got unlucky with the red flag that again would have been avoided had they let him do one more lap on the mediums as he requested.
It’s like a series of unfortunate events today for Hamilton which adds up to....3rd. It’s not a big deal at all.
Yeah, they played the team radio at some point, think it was just before the start of the race. Read elsewhere that it was a race specific rule so Mercedes hadn't seen it was banned here and thought it was ok as it usually is, guess because it's a long pitlane exit they had that rule.
What was up with Williams suddenly going for fastest lap. That seemed rather unlikely
As long as Lewis doesn't land himself 2 penalty points in the next 4 races. Mercedes are a phenomenal team but their operational performance needs some serious work. How they manage to put themselves in these circumstances is beyond me.
Yeah very much agree. Cream will be back to the top at Nurburgring
He was 3 tenths off Bottas' best apparently, matched Verstappen's attempt, those hard tyres were struggling so much by that point I can understand them giving it a try.
Yeah, they've made 4 big mistakes this year not pitting under the safety car in Austria, not pitting when Hamilton had a 40 second gap at Silverstone, not spotting the pitlane closure in Monza and now this. Guess because they still won most of those races it doesn't get talked about as much.
Also causing most of his penalty points!
Yeah. He's now got 4 races to get through without any kind of incident before he loses the two from last year's Brazilian GP.
Is Brundle not commentating anymore?
What's wrong with Ferrari? They are well non existent this season. Someone is getting fired at Maranello.
Wasn't doing this race. Think he's back for the next. He's taken one or two off most seasons for the last few years. Think he usually doesn't bother with Socchi and I can't blame him too much.
Did you just start watching this season?
No not really. But haven't followed it much until today. First while race I watched. I was a bit shocked
Gotcha.
Tldr; Ferrari was penalized for illegal modifications after last season - affected engine performance. Ferrari never recovered from that this season because the cars didn't change much and wont until 22 with the current rules so its likely they ll be fecked until then.
They are shocking really
Just looking at the results. Albon 10th, behind both AlphaTauri's, what happened ?
He started 15th due to a penalty and they pitted him under the safety car at the start which just meant he was stuck in traffic, Norris and Russell tried the same thing and it was a bad call for them as well. He's also not very good...
Hamilton's 2 penalty points have been removed, replaced with a fine for Mercedes instead as they were the ones who told him it was ok. Right call but the stewarding this weekend has been a joke, between this farce, Leclerc not getting a penalty for wiping out Stroll and drivers getting penalties for running over a kerb once...
They really do just make it up as they go along
. I think on reflection that Lewis will feel he probably only lost 3 points with the penalty, the race was mostly lost in Q2.They really do. They're even claiming that it was because of "new information" despite having talked to Mercedes/Toto before the race started and the radio message being broadcast on TV.They really do just make it up as they go along
There's a claim elsewhere online that the Finish commentary team knew about the penalty 20 minutes before it was announced:
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/216170-mika-salo-leaking-stewarding-decisions-to-finnish-media/
Wonder if the sudden reversal is a result of this and the race directors wanting to move on quickly, cos this looks suspicious as feck.
Lewis has had the 2 point rescinded and Mercedes have a fine instead.
That's dumb, they ruined his race for him.
Russian GP Result.
| Rank | Driver | Number | Team | Grid | Pits | Fastest Lap | Race Time | Points |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Valtteri Bottas | 77 | Mercedes | 3 | 1 | fastest overall lap 1:37.030 | 1:34:00.364 | 26 |
| 2 | Max Verstappen | 33 | Red Bull | 2 | 1 | 1:37.332 | 7.729 behind | 18 |
| 3 | Lewis Hamilton | 44 | Mercedes | 1 | 1 | 1:38.075 | 22.729 behind | 15 |
| 4 | Sergio Perez | 11 | Racing Point | 4 | 1 | 1:38.141 | 30.558 behind | 12 |
| 5 | Daniel Ricciardo | 3 | Renault | 5 | 1 | 1:37.886 | 52.065 behind | 10 |
| 6 | Charles Leclerc | 16 | Ferrari | 10 | 1 | 1:39.053 | 1:02.186 behind | 8 |
| 7 | Esteban Ocon | 31 | Renault | 7 | 1 | 1:39.216 | 1:08.006 behind | 6 |
| 8 | Daniil Kvyat | 26 | AlphaTauri | 11 | 1 | 1:39.133 | 1:08.740 behind | 4 |
| 9 | Pierre Gasly | 10 | AlphaTauri | 9 | 2 | 1:37.231 | 1:29.766 behind | 2 |
| 10 | Alexander Albon | 23 | Red Bull | 15 | 2 | 1:38.377 | 1:37.860 behind | 1 |
| 11 | Antonio Giovinazzi | 99 | Alfa Romeo | 17 | 1 | 1:39.766 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 12 | Kevin Magnussen | 20 | Haas | 18 | 1 | 1:40.380 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 13 | Sebastian Vettel | 5 | Ferrari | 14 | 1 | 1:39.588 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 14 | Kimi Raikkonen | 7 | Alfa Romeo | 19 | 1 | 1:38.858 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 15 | Lando Norris | 4 | McLaren | 8 | 2 | 1:37.377 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 16 | Nicholas Latifi | 6 | Williams | 20 | 1 | 1:41.044 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 17 | Romain Grosjean | 8 | Haas | 16 | 2 | 1:39.614 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| 18 | George Russell | 63 | Williams | 13 | 3 | 1:37.352 | 1 lap behind | 0 |
| not classified | Lance Stroll | 18 | Racing Point | 12 | 0 | not available- | did not finish | 0 |
| not classified | Carlos Sainz Jnr | 55 | McLaren | 66 | 0 | not available- | did not finish | 0 |
Driver Championship Standings
| 1 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 205 | |
| 2 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 161 | |
| 3 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 128 | |
| 4 | Lando Norris | McLaren | 65 | |
| 5 | Alexander Albon | Red Bull | 64 | |
| 6 | Daniel Ricciardo | Renault | 63 | |
| 7 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | 57 | |
| 8 | Lance Stroll | Racing Point | 57 | |
| 9 | Sergio Perez | Racing Point | 56 | |
| 10 | Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | 45 | |
| 11 | Carlos Sainz Jr. | McLaren | 41 | |
| 12 | Esteban Ocon | Renault | 36 | |
| 13 | Sebastian Vettel | Ferrari | 17 | |
| 14 | Daniil Kvyat | AlphaTauri | 14 | |
| 15 | Nico Hulkenberg | Racing Point | 6 | |
| 16 | Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | 2 | |
| 17 | Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | 2 | |
| 18 | Kevin Magnussen | Haas | 1 | |
| 19 | Nicholas Latifi | Williams | 0 | |
| 20 | George Russell | Williams | 0 | |
| 21 | Romain Grosjean | Haas | 0 |
And quite right too.
I thought that Lewis took the time penalty reasonably maturely all things considered.
Constructors Standings
| Team | Wins | Points | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mercedes | 8 | 366 |
| 2 | Red Bull | 1 | 192 |
| 3 | McLaren | 0 | 106 |
| 4 | Racing Point | 0 | 104 |
| 5 | Renault | 0 | 99 |
| 6 | Ferrari | 0 | 74 |
| 7 | AlphaTauri | 1 | 59 |
| 8 | Alfa Romeo | 0 | 4 |
| 9 | Haas | 0 | 1 |
| 10 | Williams | 0 |
Phew.....thank feck for that
Honda will no longer make power units at the end of the 2021 season, Renault will be licking their lips. Red Bull and Alpha Tauri will have to pay whatever their price is, Merc and Ferrari won't supply them and I can't see them developing their own.
Was there rumors of another engine manufacturer coming in for 2022? I feel like I vaguely remember hearing this at one point but it seems to have gone quiet now. If that were to happen it would soften the blow of Honda leaving. It's a shame to see them go honestly.
Verstappen noping out of there.
Didn't they just come back in?
Red Bull has eggs on their face considering how much they kept shitting on Renault when they switched over to Honda
2015. They've been in and out of F1 for decades and have historically always left when the economy tanks.
It's a big task for Domenicali now. Given his VAG links, he's got a great chance of getting an engine manufacturer into that camp. I think the Cosworth discussion will also come up soon.
As shown by Honda's statement, F1 isn't in line with where the car industry is heading and compared to the last time they left, this is driven more by environmental strategy than economic. I also don't think Renault will essentially be driven to make customer engines when they're making steps forwards themselves.
What is has highlighted that the next generation engine rules and regulations needs to be driven by the sport and not the manufacturers, as essentially it makes new entrants to the market extremely difficult (Look at LMP1 in endurance racing as a great example). F1 is at a cross roads in terms of whether it continues down a path of the combustion engine, or whether it looks to evolve to bring relevancy to those with financial backing for a long term future.
As shown by Honda's statement, F1 isn't in line with where the car industry is heading and compared to the last time they left, this is driven more by environmental strategy than economic. I also don't think Renault will essentially be driven to make customer engines when they're making steps forwards themselves.
What is has highlighted that the next generation engine rules and regulations needs to be driven by the sport and not the manufacturers, as essentially it makes new entrants to the market extremely difficult (Look at LMP1 in endurance racing as a great example). F1 is at a cross roads in terms of whether it continues down a path of the combustion engine, or whether it looks to evolve to bring relevancy to those with financial backing for a long term future.
Renault would have to sell the exact same engine as what they're using to customers due to the regulations.
They're not going to refuse money from selling engines when it's their biggest chance to recoup money from their F1 investments.
They don't benefit from selling engines as they sell next to or close to cost due to the price cap that is on place on engines. Abiteboul has said that having no customers is a welcomed position for them as they can concentrate on their own performance, and the results this season would suggest that there is some value in his statement.
The engine regs are insanely expensive to develop for, and any new entrant (as with Honda) would be years behind the development curve. Just can't see anyone else entering at this stage, rather than waiting for 2026.
It's sad to see them go and highlights the precarious position the sport is currently in, just glad McLaren got out when they did.
It's sad to see them go and highlights the precarious position the sport is currently in, just glad McLaren got out when they did.