Bruno Fernandes

united for life · Jan 17, 2021

Jeppers7 said:
Ok well look at the stats this way....

One goal was a penalty

One assist was a square pass to Pogba 30 yards out.

One assist was a great pass to Rashford, but seriously you aren’t expecting an assist from it. It didn’t even create a chance.

One assist he just managed to toe the ball away from the defender after a poor pass to him....it just happened to fall to Rashford.

On top of that his general performance wasn’t great throughout the month.

ok. He’s a terrible player who’s just lucky

Mainoldo · Jan 17, 2021

evil_geko said:
"He could never pass a ball" "Will be useless in 2 years", this forum is becoming worse every year. I can understand some knee-jerking, but some posts on here are shockingly awful.

Was that my quote yeah? Speak on it.. where did I say he’d be useless?

Plymouth Red · Jan 17, 2021

KennyBurner said:
Read it again, its for rating and not passing percentage. Usually I wouldn't check but it was obvious something has to be wrong if Bruno is the 4th best passer in the league. He has a 75.6 which is very poor.

My mistake. Apologies. I put his stats down in part to a willingness to try something unexpected. Not exactly Hollywood, just looking for opportunities that are harder to execute.

KennyBurner · Jan 17, 2021

Plymouth Red said:
My mistake. Apologies. I put his stats down in part to a willingness to try something unexpected. Not exactly Hollywood, just looking for opportunities that are harder to execute.

Im okay with hollywood passes given he is supposed to be our main creator with a free role. The problem is when 90% of his 18 accurate passes are all hollywood? That is what he needs to address.

Leftback99 · Jan 17, 2021

He was awful, probably the worst player in the pitch but it was clear from just watching a few clips before he came there would be frustrating days like this. On another one of his risky passes creates the chance that wins the game. That's what you get with him.

It's extra frustrating on a game like today where we don't have much of the ball and give it away cheaply. We barely have a player in midfield who retains possession well and in particularly Fred and McTominay as a combination.

Ekeke · Jan 17, 2021

Doesnt happen often. Poor performance. Didnt look sharp, maybe tired

MAME DIOUF 32 · Jan 17, 2021

He plays high risk passes. There will be days where none of them off. He was absolutely awful today but if he didn't do the things that didn't come off today then he wouldn't be a match winner on others.

Chief123 · Jan 17, 2021

Jeppers7 said:
Ok well look at the stats this way....

One goal was a penalty

One assist was a square pass to Pogba 30 yards out.

One assist was a great pass to Rashford, but seriously you aren’t expecting an assist from it. It didn’t even create a chance.

One assist he just managed to toe the ball away from the defender after a poor pass to him....it just happened to fall to Rashford.

On top of that his general performance wasn’t great throughout the month.

Any analysis on the other 30+ goals and assists? With the greatest respect, you haven’t got a clue.

Jeppers7 · Jan 17, 2021

Chief123 said:
Any analysis on the other 30+ goals and assists? With the greatest respect, you haven’t got a clue.

I’m talking specifically. Did he have another 30+ goals assists in December ? And with the greatest respect I’ve played at a higher level than you’ll ever have and had a Season Ticket for the past ten years, before that I’ve been a regular at OT and seen some truly great players. Had a ST in 99 also. I’ve more than a clue cretin.

Chief123 · Jan 17, 2021

Jeppers7 said:
mom talking specifically. And with the greatest respect I’ve played at a higher level than you’ll ever have and had a Season Ticket for the past ten years, before that I’ve been a regular at OT and seen some truly great players. Had a ST in 99 also. I’ve more than a clue cretin.

I didn’t mean that in a disrespectful way mate. I’m just expressing my opinion that I think you haven’t got the foggiest. Just based on your post.

Btw, you may be surprised to hear this, but there are many clueless people who have season tickets as well.

He'sRaldo · Jan 18, 2021

Rozay said:
And I’m curious as to when Gary Neville and Martin Tyler will cotton on to the fact that they literally say every game that ‘poor pass from Bruno, which is very unlike him’. If the statement is made every week it’s probably not as shocking as they imply.

To be fair it is pretty amusing to hear that same line game after game.

He'sRaldo · Jan 18, 2021

roonster09 said:
Player with his output shouldn't be played in restricted role.

Only Maguire and Lindelof plays more passes per game than Bruno. That shows how involved he is in build up play.

I agree with the first part.

Unfortunately, midfielders usually don't have free roles, so he should be playing a a forward so that our midfield isn't hampered, and he can keep up with his stats.

He'sRaldo · Jan 18, 2021

tjb said:
our midfield play is poor because our 2 cms are poor. That's like placing blame in lacking possession on Bergkamp or Cantona.

Fernandes has his share of blame too, quite a large share if we're talking about inability to keep possession and build up play.

And that's the thing, I'd rather Bruno be a forward player where he isn't responsible for building up the play in the midfield. The half and half role he's playing isn't the best for us.

Jeppers7 · Jan 18, 2021

Chief123 said:
I didn’t mean that in a disrespectful way mate. I’m just expressing my opinion that I think you haven’t got the foggiest. Just based on your post.

Btw, you may be surprised to hear this, but there are many clueless people who have season tickets as well.

Why don’t you stick to the facts rather than trying to throw petty insults because you’ve thrown your toys out of the pram. If you disagree with anything I’ve written, it’s perfectly clearly written out so be specific. Which assist do you disagree with? Was one of his three goals not a pen? Do you think he was brilliant in December ? You must be able to counter what I’ve wrote if you’re calling me clueless

tjb · Jan 18, 2021

He'sRaldo said:
ut that
Fernandes has his share of blame too, quite a large share if we're talking about inability to keep possession and build up play.

And that's the thing, I'd rather Bruno be a forward player where he isn't responsible for building up the play in the midfield. The half and half role he's playing isn't the best for us.

We weren't winning possession in these games before him an the time of possession he has is significantly lower than some of his contemporaries in these big games. Maybe we should work on getting him more support than blaming him for taking the quick chances he's afforded. I'm not saying he can't be better, but maybe if he had more chances to make those decisions, we wouldnt be so focused on him making a few bad decisions. I've watched KDB in these games, he simply gets more chances...same for rashford imo.

Chief123 · Jan 18, 2021

Jeppers7 said:
Why don’t you stick to the facts rather than trying to throw petty insults because you’ve thrown your toys out of the pram. If you disagree with anything I’ve written, it’s perfectly clearly written out so be specific. Which assist do you disagree with? Was one of his three goals not a pen? Do you think he was brilliant in December ? You must be able to counter what I’ve wrote if you’re calling me clueless

Ok let’s stick to facts. It clearly wasn’t his best month so far with us. But he did enough to warrant getting the award.

If you are so confused as to why he was awarded it, please suggest which of the 8 candidates should have got it instead? Then ask yourself would they deserve it more than Bruno.

lex talionis · Jan 18, 2021

Bruno looks a bit shattered to me. The names is a warrior and hates the idea is sitting down, but he could use a game or two off.

Jeppers7 · Jan 18, 2021

Chief123 said:
Ok let’s stick to facts. It clearly wasn’t his best month so far with us. But he did enough to warrant getting the award.

If you are so confused as to why he was awarded it, please suggest which of the 8 candidates should have got it instead? Then ask yourself would they deserve it more than Bruno.

It wasn’t and I’m not sure he did...but he got it.

So ok....Rashford I thought with five goals, no penalties and no square pass assists. El Ghazi was outstanding that month scoring crucial goals for Villa. Salah perhaps? John Stones has been outstanding for City and as you said Bruno hasn’t had his best month.

I like Bruno...but winning that award? Is it voted for by fans? Seems like that type of award.

mav_9me · Jan 18, 2021

If I'm not mistake third time since Oct 2018 where he is gone more than 2 games without goal or assist.

groovyalbert · Jan 18, 2021

mav_9me said:
If I'm not mistake third time since Oct 2018 where he is gone more than 2 games without goal or assist.

Ugh sell him

criticalanalysis · Jan 18, 2021

He deserves criticism but given his productivity for us, it's not really worth discussing as we know his quality. What I think he needs however, is some direction from Ole/the coaches. Either that or play him as the false 9 because he's effectively in that position anyways.

The team has been playing very cohesively and everyone is contributing so he needs to reign his gung-ho instincts and look for more continuity in his play. Everyone including him will benefit.

MS4 · Jan 18, 2021

Is he ever going to dribble past someone or can i beat a man 1v1?
I never saw him doing that and when he attempts, he loses the ball.
He is such a good finisher and chance-creator but he needs to focus a bit more on 1v1s

parkthebuslads · Jan 18, 2021

In games against the better teams, when possession is at such a premium, I'd like to see a bit more patience and intelligence from him, passing wise.

Stacks · Jan 18, 2021

Strelok said:
Tbh I don't understand why people saying he had a bad game.

In the first half he had a superb free kick that was like an inch away from a goal, a superb through pass which set Rashford free to face Allison but Rashford screw up. In the second half he had a very good finish but Allison was fantastic, excellent reflex and really good with his feet.

Imagine if the free kick went in, or Rashford took that chance and scored, or Allison didn't pull out that excellent save. We'd have people telling how great Bruno was here instead I think.

Fine margins

mav_9me · Jan 18, 2021

groovyalbert said:
Ugh sell him

You forgot sack Ole.

Irwin99 · Jan 18, 2021

The tactics in some of the big games this season haven't really brought out the best in him but I think he does need to retain possession better.

shamans · Jan 18, 2021

It might be a ballsy and weird move but in such big games when possession is not plenty i wouldn't bother starting him

El Jefe · Jan 18, 2021

KennyBurner said:
Bruno lost more possession (19) times today than he made accurate passes (18) times. This is exactly the problem. He is a big reason alongside for why we suck at ball retention.

Not a problem to some as he had a decent chance in the match. Baffling.

I can't think of many managers at top clubs that will tolerate such carelessness. If he just had the penchant for overplaying hollywood passes, I could live with that but his short passing can be just as erratic.

He won't last long at the top if this part of his game doesn't improve.

simonhch · Jan 18, 2021

shamans said:
It might be a ballsy and weird move but in such big games when possession is not plenty i wouldn't bother starting him

Because of one bad game? The guy is our talisman. Even if he plays badly he puts in a shift and is a leader. You need ferocious characters like this. He is a player that can always make a difference. Our best player by a million miles. Even today, he was a whisker away from scoring in the second half because he makes that sort of run into the box, and even in the first hit a wicked freekick. He's a match winner, plain and simple. First name on the team sheet.

RooneyLegend · Jan 18, 2021

He'sRaldo said:
To be fair it is pretty amusing to hear that same line game after game.

It's actually amazing. You could find posts on here after every other game about him being poor/sloppy yet some believe that was a rare occurrence. It really is amazing.

Eternitiy · Jan 18, 2021

He reminds me of Rooney in his last few years at United. Great statistics, the ability to create something out of nothing, but his overall performances can be riddled with sloppiness.

He's been an inspired signing, but I am glad to see that fans are not blinded to his weaknesses, of which there are plenty.

mav_9me · Jan 18, 2021

Irwin99 said:
The tactics in some of the big games this season haven't really brought out the best in him but I think he does need to retain possession better.

Imo we don't create much if not for his influence. If you temper his adventure we will be worse. Remember we don't have anything coming from RW and we don't have a true no. 9.

amolbhatia50k · Jan 18, 2021

He was a hindrance rather than an asset last night.

Eternitiy said:
He reminds me of Rooney in his last few years at United. Great statistics, the ability to create something out of nothing, but his overall performances can be riddled with sloppiness.

He's been an inspired signing, but I am glad to see that fans are not blinded to his weaknesses, of which there are plenty.

There are some similarities but I don't think Rooney before his decline was very sloppy. He was a very complete footballer who heavily contribute to the buildup aside from those brilliant moments. Tbh Rooney was on a different level, and also rose his level in the bigger matches.

Fernandes has a great final third impact, but I've always maintained that he has to tighten up his all round game. People overplay the whole risk reward nonesense. Maybe his pass percentage is comparable to the likes of KDB and co but for me he can and should be a lot of more reliable and assured in possession. If you have your AM having a very high turnover in addition to forwards who by nature have to take risks, it makes for a very leaky attack which is what we have. A bit of control would take us up a notch or two.

Edit :
Failed to notice that you were indeed refering to his last few years.

Eternitiy · Jan 18, 2021

Yes, believe me, I am one of Rooney's biggest fans. He was several levels above Bruno (no disrespect to Bruno intended).

However, I do remember him getting a lot of criticism in his final few years, he would have some sloppy games and looked visibly frustrated with himself, as Bruno often does. However, he could have an awful game and surprise us with a moment of magic from nowhere. Bruno can do that too, but yes, his contributions in some of our bigger matches is leaving a lot to be desired.

shamans · Jan 18, 2021

simonhch said:
Because of one bad game? The guy is our talisman. Even if he plays badly he puts in a shift and is a leader. You need ferocious characters like this. He is a player that can always make a difference. Our best player by a million miles. Even today, he was a whisker away from scoring in the second half because he makes that sort of run into the box, and even in the first hit a wicked freekick. He's a match winner, plain and simple. First name on the team sheet.

Not because of one bad game. I have predicted this for a while and I fear it might be the case: Bruno is a very good player and the past year is evidence of that but I always feared he would not sustain the form he has shown for the past year. The numbers he has been putting on are just too good. I hope I'm wrong about this and it would be a joy if I am because if he keeps playing like he has been the past year it would be incredible.

My take is that he is very high risk player. Great for breaking teams down but unless he can discipline himself against big sides to not be so arrogant with the passes, I would prefer someone who works hard for the ball and calculates their passes (pogba, DVB)

I also think a drop would do him well -- call it a rest if you may.

DuruttiColumn · Jan 18, 2021

Looked absolutely shattered from the first minute. Needs the next 2 matches off. He’s been carrying us for the last 12 months and needs a break

poleglass red · Jan 18, 2021

He was awful today. I love him,he can change a game in one split second but he had the worst passing stats of anyone on the pitch today 58%. I'm typically not a man for stats but m that's woeful.at the same time he missed a very good chance,nearly won the game. We need more from him these last 3 to 4 games

kouroux · Jan 18, 2021

El Jefe said:
Not a problem to some as he had a decent chance in the match. Baffling.

I can't think of many managers at top clubs that will tolerate such carelessness. If he just had the penchant for overplaying hollywood passes, I could live with that but his short passing can be just as erratic.

He won't last long at the top if this part of his game doesn't improve.

I agree. It's about finding the right balance overall. If he starts to be more conservative with his passing, his offensive game won't necessarily die.
For instance in the first half, there was a ridiculous ball he booted up the sky for no apparent reason as a way to switch play. How can anyone justify a pass like that ?

Bobcat · Jan 18, 2021

He badly needs a rest imo

Problem is that the schedule is packed the next two weeks. Maybe let VdB get a chance?

Strelok · Jan 18, 2021

Bobcat said:
He badly needs a rest imo

Problem is that the schedule is packed the next two weeks. Maybe let VdB get a chance?

I'd rather play Pogba there and start GW.

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