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No. Not changing a winning formula is not bad man management especially when Rashford has been one of our best players on the pitch.
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He will be sacked before long. Need some amount of effort to still be at risk at this stage of not qualifying for WC with the amount of talent at his disposal.
No that's Raymond Domenech
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Ah right. Was wondering how he had survived for 10 years.. Clearly he hasnt.
He was a truly awful coach. Evra got painted as a national villain but this guy was really to blame.
He did get them to a World Cup final, also however awful your manager is, I'd expect a player to give it all if he is representing his country, a strike during a World Cup is totally unacceptable.
Yeah, I guess that's another way to look at it. For me, representing your country or not, you're still a human being doing a job and if my boss was behaving like that I'd quit too. There's a lot of onus put on players to put their country first regardless of greivances, but somehow it doesn't applies to their coaches.
So how does that explain Coman being called up?
That's the thing, if Coman doesn't grab this chance with both hands, he's looking over his shoulder. Great position to be in as a coach.
Don't know any context or the state of France and Coman's form but I guess it's because he is a natural wide player, who stretches the wings?
Really encouraging words from Jose. I hope martial fulfills his potential here and have a great season which will do us lot of good if we are going to compete for titles this season.
People dont seem to understand that in the context of Man United let alone the French NT.
Martial is not more important than the EPL trophy . Yes, he is supremely talented but that does not mean we should change a system that is working. United haven't been doing well for four years now, are spending money like their is no tomorrow to anyhow, somehow get back to the top. This is not the season to take chances, I don't think so. As long as we are winning with the current starting line up, I know I wouldn't change a thing. Martial has to wait as long as it takes for the team to start playing bad or until it's time to rotate. He can start then, take his changes, prove he is a good option to start with and not just a good impact sub. If he does it for two odd game, if he performs good while starting these games, he gets his chance over Rashford. That how I would like for it to happen. If you have beg to differ, I cannot convince you to start seeing the things same way as I do. Rashford scored and assisted his way to UCL final while Martial struggled to place a good pass but its all been forgotten after two games. After two games, Martial is a world beater and Rashford is a headless chicken. It's Rashford whose being treated unfairly and, while I agree he had a poor game recently, he deserves to start one or two more games and be able to prove his worth.
Why is this a bloody Martial vs Rashford debate at all? There are 3 spots behind Lukaku, we should give them both a chance at some point. What will we learn about the team if we don't?
Completely agree - why take risks with so much at stake. I would just hope that a manager would take Martial aside and explain that - he's performing well and will get his chance/is definitely in my plans, etc... but not right now.
Did I, at any point, say that we are not going to give any of them a chance? I said, we learn about them when our fixture allows us to. Not when we are on a good run and need to maintain stability. A team struggling for four years will naturally be set back again if we are to lose after getting our hopes up so don't let our two victories fool you. Until and unless we play bad or we play an easy fixture, nothing needs to be learnt about anyone. They can sulk all they want, the non-starters. I don't care and probably the manager doesn't either. I don't think Martial will sulk either but that seems to be primary concern of his fans.
Don't think the manager needs to do that anyway. Martial has proven he is a professional and wants to stay here. He squashes rumors as soon as they start building up and gives his best when he comes on as a sub. He knows how long this season is and had surely already held talks with the manager as to where he is in his plans, before starting the season with us. It's his fans that are way too insecure and think of him like this kid who needs to be appeased at all times and treated like a princess. We don't have to worry about any lack of communication. We are talking about professionals here.
It's bad man management not to reward good performances from a confidence player. Fergie would have both Martial and Rashford in the team. And he'd be grinning like a kid in a sweet shop.
You know how people keep saying that we still need one more game changer, a guy who can single handedly turn a game. We have him but maybe some choose not to see it. I mean those are highlights of an arguably below par season. I don't think he will start today but I'm more hopefully he will soon fully win Mourinho's trust after the way he's started and the comments from the manager.And at the same time you say you're not biased?
Martial's supposed entire season where he was awful.
Having both Martial and Rashford in the team with Lukaku up front means your front three is all pace and little technical skill and vision. I think that's the recipe for having frustrating games. Teams can just camp around their penalty area and allow for these three to mess up a pass and then hit on the counter. Mata and Mkhi provide that bit of vision we need up front. Remove one of them two and we are left with Pogba having to do too much on his own. Maybe we can test this out in a few games and see how well they play together. Maybe it will be a riot with them dragging defenders all over the place. But, to me, a front three of Lukaku, Rashford and Martial doesn't sound that intimidating and versatile.
Well if we tried it we might find out if you're right or not eh? Personally I think saying Martial and Rashford don't have technical skill or vision is laughable.
I find their passing skills lacking. If they, along with Lukaku were to participate heavily in a play that involved passing the ball around a packed defense and carve it open once the defense was stretched enough, I personally think United will only end up getting hit on one counter attack after the other as they will lose the ball or simply run it out of play. I am sure that much us obvious to many. You really do think their vision is on even close to the same level as Mkhi and Mata? Because we will have to sacrifice one of them for these two to play together.
That's a very weak attempt at refuting any statement or adding to any discussion.
Mkhi has lost the ball way more than either of Rashford or Martial this year. And if Mkhi and Mata are so good why do they need each other to pass to? Surely they should be passing between Pogba and Matic and then finding the runners up top?
That statement didn't need anymore than a laughing smiley actually, I was just nice and though out of it. It's ridiculous and not based in reality but in the disturbing thoughts of many of the self appointed football experts that get huge platforms to speak on football.
You do make me sound like a footballing expert, I am going to give you that. And how come you say my observations are laughable and then proceed to state your own without backing it up with any stats? Martial has the same vision as Mata now? Comfortably? The former Chelsea player of the season Mata? Same as Mikhi? The guy who called an assist machine? Martial is a brilliant dribbler, a fast player and a good finisher but to say that he has the same vision and passing ability as Mata and or Mikhi!? Have you seen Martial provide assists in any form other than the cut backs he does (which he does quiet often and does it well but we are talking about vision and range here) when he gets into the penalty area? Any assists like Mikhi's reverse pass for Pogba or that pass to Lukaku for his goal?! Do you have any stats to back you claims that Martial is on the same level as Mata or Mkhi when it comes to vision and passing?! Well I do. I listed a few out for youand I think the debate about which one of us is making baseless statements is settled.
Don't think either Mikhi or Mata play as wingers though. They drift in and help weave passes, create something for either Lukaku, Rashford or the other one of them to finish. Rashford on the right wing? We all saw how that turned out so this makes it seem like we are trying to force Martial into the squad without having to sacrifice Rashford's starting role.
Don't flatter yourself, you sound like exactly what I implied, someone who's eaten up enough bs of the self proclaimed experts. Martial doesn't just do cut back assists, you keep showing yourself up. You don't even need to watch full games, just look at the highlights I quoted a few posts back and you will see many different types of assists and chances created. Martial does have the vision and passing range of Mata and Mkhi on top of his other traits. He is very capable of reverse passes, through balls, over the top balls short and long etc. The Martial game you mention is the one constantly spewed by those talking heads who incidentally mostly watch his highlights. He is a very accomplished attacking player, both as a creative and a finisher. He's not just a dribbler, speedster and finisher. His creative game is massively underrated mainly because his other attacking game is top notch and the most eye catching but its laughable as a united fan to ignore it or believe it doesn't exist because some media said so. The only thing thats settled for me is the sad fact that you know very little about one of our most talented players.
