The key reason for leaving is to
You're trying to tell me to stop fantasising whilst acknowledging that Corbyn's plan is going to guarantee that we remain! How will that unite the nation, how stupid do you think people are?
sorry... thats completly fine... to put a false choice to the public because you have guaranteed one side wins
Leavers don't want a 2nd referendum because they know they won't win it.
They expect no one to notice that the remain option has already been rejected in the first referendum and shouldn't be on the second ballot at all; or, that these leave voters are so stupid, that they will think it is a real Brexit, despite what Farage will be shouting from the roof tops! Or possibly they think a majority of Leave voters will have a sudden conversion to the remain cause overnight because of project fear Mk 2, 3, or is it 4 has won them over?
It would be worth 5p if Brexit actually happened on October 31
I disagree on your first point. I think the only options you can have on a referendum are Remain and a real leave option.
I can't believe they seem to keep resurrecting that stupid idea every time there is a new deadline
A run of blue passports have already been printed!I can't believe they seem to keep resurrecting that stupid idea every time there is a new deadline
To be fair there are loads of commiserative coins issued every single year so it would be a bit weird if Brexit wasn't commentated in this way.I can't believe they seem to keep resurrecting that stupid idea every time there is a new deadline
Very apt.
Firstly your idea of ''uniting the nation'' is just revoking the last result or going out on Boris deal thus increasing suffering and inequality. Both of these options don't ''united the nation'' .
Wtf are you about ? Its no different than when non property owners won the right to vote(After seeing your views on i.d cards I'm not sure to ask your views on this) it caused a massive boost for the labour movement.
Labour's insistence on a customs union means we will be on the menu for any future EU trade deals with no say. Labour are trying to get around this by saying their position is a CU with a seat around the table for any future trade deals, the EU aren't going to give a non member veto rights over their trade deals so either they'll say no or it will literally be a seat around the table where we can watch our economy being sold by the EU for it's benefit.
Yes, my first point was 'tong in cheek' in the context of re-uniting everyone. However if a team beat a rival, but then had the losers complaining that the winners didn't know what they were doing when they scored more goals than them, we would all be splitting our sides laughing. I suppose 'consent of the 'losers' was missing first time around and I suspect so it would be in any second or third or fourth ballot!
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Actually Belgium was almost 600 days without a government and I read back in the day that the economic figures were better than the last year with government
Depends totally on what you mean by "without a government", there would still have been the infrastructure of a modern state such as civil servants to administer and police/army/hospitals etc doing their jobs.
I thought that was the anarchists?
Shame hardly anyone mentioned that in the referendum.
You do understand that staying in a CU is just a different version of leaving, something remainers are opposed to.
The problem with that is Corbyn hasn't proposed staying in the custom's union.
Yep. As a remainer I could have settled for Norway or something like that. Staying in the single market was key and my red line. The customs union alone is a hard brexit and I can’t support that.
It is though - the referendum was simply asking whether or not we would be a member of the European Union or not. If Brexiteers wanted something more concrete they should've put forward a more concrete, hardline question in the referendum vote - they didn't because they knew it'd have failed, and because the only way for Brexit to happen was to make things vague enough that people could project their own desires onto leaving the EU.
It is the best possible deal by which we leave the EU. We shouldn't leave but if we do it should be on terms that have the least detrimental effect on the economy.
Ultimately Brexiteers will be unhappy whatever happens - even if they get their ideal Brexit, they'll inevitably be pissed off when it doesn't lead to the economic or social paradise they've been promised - in such situations Remainers who didn't believe hard enough or whatever will be blamed. Pandering to the most extreme Brexiteers assumes they're logical and rational and reasonable - a lot of them aren't, and understand that in politics you can gain quite a lot by pushing things as far in your own direction as possible.
You should have told us what your ideal brexit was before we voted so you had a mandate for it. You didn’t, and you now refuse to try to find a consensus brexit because you refuse to compromise, so you have to try to bully through this preferred version instead. That’s the root of this mess.
Yeah that's what annoys me the most about this whole farce - Brexiteers could've had a more concrete version of Brexit if they'd demanded distinct terms on which we would leave in the initial vote - i.e. whether we'd leave the single market etc. But doing so would've inevitably reduced the appeal of their campaign from the start and so they went for vagueness instead.
I'd have took Norway.
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that link concludes that generally there were calls for the UK to have an independent trade policy, that can’t exist in a CU. Are you saying that the three key reasons for Brexit were not understood to be immigration, trade and the sovereignty of Parliament during the referendum?
How would having a real Brexit option pitted against remain on a referendum be pandering to Brexiteers? It give the only two real options.
Yup, leaving the single market was what was regarded as "hard brexit" at the start of all this. Complete and utter victory for the right that staying in a customs union is the softest version available, and even that's a pipe dream.
Terrible movie. But a concerningly accurate parody.
I can never decide if collectively brexiteers knew they were talking shit at that point or they've didn't and steadily moved the goalposts as they've realised the remainers were right about what it meant.
Didn't Wales vote for brexit ?... Feel free to square that circle
