It can't be - Kahn - Lahm - Lizarazu , as Lizarazu played with Kahn.
Chain Draft (Main Thread)
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
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MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (? -?)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern)
@Tuppet @VivaJanuzaj
@Edgar Allan Pillow can you confirm? Will need some time if that pick is invalid.
As my understanding was cant have played with silva(pick 12)
Building a very bonnie team there Stain.
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (? -?)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern)
@Tuppet @VivaJanuzaj
I dunno, Lizarazu spent a lot of time shining at left wing-back for Bayern in a 3-5-2. In fairness Marcelo does have a lot of quality on the ball so as a wing-back it's marginal upgrades at best.
Cheers
I think Marcelo is really underrated. He's impressed me a lot lately and I can't remember a full back who had his dribbling ability, literally pulls off more successful dribbles than most of the top teams wingers these days. He has the most successful dribbles per game for Real Madrid together with Bale, even more than Ronaldo and every United player as well.
As a wing back in particular he'd shine even brighter. I think the problem with a ball carrying and dribbling wing back is that when they lose the ball he's as far forward as their wingers and unless there is somehow tactical cover for that it certainly opens up a route for the opponents to attack.
Yeah. Too many parallel chains make it confusing. I'll permit this. It'll be the sequential previous pick, not previous branch that counts.
For some reason, when I looked at Laudrup earlier, I thought he had been blocked! Nice pick![/USER]
Nice! Cheers. Also diarms next pick is going to be awesome.
Wait, that doesn't make any sense since they're still on the same chain with kahn-lahm to Lizarazu.
Your draft, but seems a bit of a strange relaxing of the rules there.
I didn't think that would work..
Edit: Hang on, it makes sense for it to work that way. Carry on.
Any of last 5 can be used to create a new link. Won't make sense to have Lahm continue the old link and say Silva yo be in a new chain. It'll be a new chain for all 5 with sequential pick before.
I am fine with it, the only reason I said because of this post -
Anyway Our picks are -
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (? -?)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) - Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) - Eto'o (Anzhi)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) - Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) - Eto'o (Anzhi)
That rule still applies. His 2nd pick should continue from Lizarazu.
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (? -?)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman - Barca) 16. Scirea (Juve)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) 15. Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) 16. Eto'o (Anzhi)
@diarm
Holy shit
. That's some quality upgrading going on mate.Holy shit
Yeah.. he is probably the fav now.Holy shit
fecking ridiculous.The man who made Rio what he was and the key to my defence, I pick Gary Kell...
.... just kidding, I pick:
Nemanja Vidic (Man Utd - 2006-14)
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MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (? -?)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United) 16. Nemanja Vidić (United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman - Barca) 16. Scirea (Juve)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) 15. Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) 16. Eto'o (Anzhi)
@MJJ
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United) 16. Nemanja Vidić (United)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman - Barca) 16. Scirea (Juve)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) 15. Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) 16. Eto'o (Anzhi)
@MJJ
We will pick
Interesting. I thought you would go for Evra and move Amoros to the right. Would have suited your team more IMO. Rio-Sol would have been a good pairing as well.
MJJ (crappy): 1. Romario 2. Guardiola (Barca) 3. Figo (Barca) 4. Vieira (Inter) 5. Henry (Arsenal) 6. Deschamps (Juve) 7. Kohler (Juve) 8. Sammer (Dortmund) 9. Kahn (NT) 10. Kroos (Bayern) 11. Marcelo (Real) 12. Thiago Silva 13. Lahm (Kahn-Bayern) 14. Neuer (Bayern) 15. Lizarazu (Lahm -Bayern) 16. Tigana (Bordeaux)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United) 16. Vidic (ManUtd)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca) 15. Scirea (Juve)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) - Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) - Eto'o (Anzhi)
diarm: 1. R. Baggio 2. Tacconi (Juve) 3. Tardelli (Juve) 4. G. Baresi (Inter) 5. Klinsmann (Inter) 6. Campbell (Spurs) 7. Scholes (NT) 8. Cantona (United) 9. Amoros (Marseille) 10. Bokšić (Marseille) 11. Veron (Lazio) 12. Gary Neville (United) 13. Völler (Amoros-OM) 14. Schuster (Leverkusen) 15. Rio Ferdinand (Veron - United) 16. Vidic (ManUtd)
The Stain: 1. Robson 2. Giggs (United) 3. Stam (United) 4. Kaka (Milan) 5. Essien (Real) 6. A. Cole (Chelsea) 7. Beckham (NT) 8. Van Nistelrooy (United) 9. Iwan (PSV) 10. Koeman (Feyenoord) 11. Gerets (PSV) 12. Preud'homme (Standard) 13. Robben (RvN-Real) 14. Schweinsteiger (Bayern) 15. M. Laudrup (Koeman-Barca) 15. Scirea (Juve)
Tuppet (VivaJ): 1. Van Hanegem 2. Gullit (Feyenoord) 3. Costacurta (Milan) 4. Nesta (Milan) 5. Nedved (Lazio) 6. Del Piero (Juve) 7. Peruzzi (Juve) 8. Reuter (Juve) 9. Kopke (Nurnberg) 10. Makelele (Marseille) 11. Benzema (France) 12. Arbeloa (Real Madrid) 13. Augenthaler (Reuter-Bayern) 14. Rummenigge (Bayern) - Roberto Carlos (Makelele - Real) - Eto'o (Anzhi)
Yeah I rate Sol slightly higher than Vidic, but they do have the advantage of a long-term partnership with one another. In saying that, Rio and Sol were excellent for England together. The second upgrade didn't really open up for Diarm there, it was all marginal or sideways maneouvres.
Rio-Vidic is an all time partnership while Anto butchered Sol in the last round!
Neville is a great defender and there isn't much to pick between him and Evra in terms of quality. Having a top class pair of CB's was much more valuable to me here.
Some good business done here, a couple of teams standing out IMO.
See what Gio said above.. Sol and Vida are about same for me. But yeah on this forum, Rio-Vida will give you a big jump.
Vidic also carries all that Torres baggage with him, which can be fatal in certain situations.
Let's hope he does not come up against Romario
Vidic was better than Sol IMO by a fair bit. I think Vidic is extremely underrated in these drafts given because of his occasional exposure against pacy strikers. There wasn't much at all between Vidic and Ferdinand at their peaks defensively, with Rio's ability on the ball the main differential between the two.
TheStain looks to have upgraded the most there by an absolute distance. Two fantastic picks.
TheStain looks to have upgraded the most there by an absolute distance. Two fantastic picks.
Time for draw @Edgar Allan Pillow
Yeah I'm quite shocked at that reaction. Like you said there wasn't much between Vida and Rio and I'd even say Rio's ability on the ball is balanced out by Vida's ability in the air.
The Torres stuff is way, way overused. It was one off day blown up into something much more than it was. Nemanja played against quicker, and better strikers than Torres throughout his career and consistently impressed.
I have Sol as second only to Rio in the Premiership era. During that time he excelled at international level probably better than any other defender from the league and made team of the tournament in 2002 and 2004. Very much key to Arsenal's success as well and easily the top defender behind that great team. On the whole though, Rio stands out and the likes of Stam, Sol and Vidic are a notch below.
Oh, yeah. On it now
Terry?