Imagine David Moyes relegating Everton.
David Moyes West Ham Manager | Gone (pedantic sod Sarni)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Misery for Moyes 
Isn't that what most of you were imagining when there were rumours of him going back?
I miss the guy
Gone under the radar in recent weeks but they're right back in trouble.
They've got a very tough run in.
Chelsea (A)
Arsenal (A)
Leicester (A)
Man. United (H)
Man. City (H)
5 of their last 9 games.
I think they'll just survive though. Everton at home on the final day looks a gimme game.
I said this long ago. He needs to move to Scotland, maybe replace Brendan Rodgers eventually, and actually win a trophy or two. That or just be a pundit.
Even though I am not fond of Celtic, wishing him on them is cruel. If he does badly, basically he would deal serious damage to Scottish football. If he does well, we wouldn't hear the end of it despite it's no great achievement. He just needs to retire.
I thought this after he left United. Would have been the best move for him, if they had wanted him that is. Now it's surely too late.
Bilic when sacked:
P10, W2, D3, L5,F10, A19, Pts 9
Win % =20
Ponts per game 0.9
Golas scored/conceded per game 1/1.9
Moyes now:
P 19, W5, D6, L8,F 26, A 35, Pts 21
Win% = 26.3%
Points per game 1.11
Goals cored/conceded per game 1.37/1.84
Tiny improvement really, and if Bilic had stuck around for one more game and won it his win percentage would have been better, his points per game up to 1.09 and almost exactly the same. When one result can make the difference like that we're looking at very fine margins which could come down to a piece of luck in a game and it's difficult to say that anything truly has improved.
P10, W2, D3, L5,F10, A19, Pts 9
Win % =20
Ponts per game 0.9
Golas scored/conceded per game 1/1.9
Moyes now:
P 19, W5, D6, L8,F 26, A 35, Pts 21
Win% = 26.3%
Points per game 1.11
Goals cored/conceded per game 1.37/1.84
Tiny improvement really, and if Bilic had stuck around for one more game and won it his win percentage would have been better, his points per game up to 1.09 and almost exactly the same. When one result can make the difference like that we're looking at very fine margins which could come down to a piece of luck in a game and it's difficult to say that anything truly has improved.
He would make the Scottish league competitive again
Somes gems from Swansea's forum:
The magic of Moyes.
In fairness to Rodgers, with his undefeated run domestically, that wouldn't be the easiest shoes to fill now either. Yeah he'd still win the league but nowhere near with as much style as Brendan did
Think that would be his last ever job and I don't think he'd see out the season. He doesn't understand the magnitude of big clubs and seems to have a difficult time building relationships with his players. Not to mention, big clubs stay successful by constantly adapting and implementing cutting edge practices, Moyes doesn't strike me as a man who's capable of that. Seem's more like a guy who considers his way of doing things to be the best way to do things and that won't really fly with players who are used to embracing change and don't want to spend most of their training sessions doing sprints until they're sick.
I think he's doomed to be honest. If he wants to have any success again he needs to drop down the Championship and find a club that embraces the fact they're old school. In saying that though, I think you can now add his name to the list of Premier League managers merry-go-round. I never thought the likes of Alardyce or Pardew would get jobs in the PL again but people get desperate enough to gamble on them.
Eh rangers have closed the gap significantly from last season.
Just reading about him makes me a little sadder
Did he actually say he wanted today's match to be called off because he wanted to give the players a rest?
Seriously how the feck did he manage us?
Seriously how the feck did he manage us?
Useless twat. Hope he gets relegated, yet the media will still give him a pass and soak up his weak excuses as he is a 'hard working Brit'.
His biggest weakness is his ability on the mic. He should hire Paul Hayman to do all his promo stuff and just focus on the games
Oh how quickly people forget his innovative use of ipads.
Started well with them but back to being shite again. He'll probably escape relegation though since there're worse teams down.
Not to mention his fabled 'transfer bunker' where he gathered information and analyzed every potential target in detail...and ended up signing Fellaini for £5m more than his release clause.
Was actually going to mention that but forgot. Bringing in iPads full of stats and YouTube videos instead of going off what the scouts say just highlights some of his many issues.
Cutting edge data analysis in the transfer bunker to arrive at the conclusion that Bale and Fabregas were decent players we should try to sign.
Show some respect, that was a revolutionary move.
I actually forgot what the Ipads were for, i'm sure he just stole the idea of introducing them from a local Primary School though in a bid to seem like he had half a fecking clue.
That was but a tiny first step in his 6 year master plan to make United a solid mid-table outfit.
Ahhh, the bunker. I forgot about that, actually. Pure, decent move that. What a bloody shambles he was.
Getting hammered by a team down there with doesn't bode well but I think West Ham will survive due to congestion at the bottom of the table.
Only 6 points separating 19th and 11th and a glut of clubs on the same points. Looking back to other seasons it's either wider points gap or more of a spread at this stage. Pressure could be really on if they lose to Southampton.
Only 6 points separating 19th and 11th and a glut of clubs on the same points. Looking back to other seasons it's either wider points gap or more of a spread at this stage. Pressure could be really on if they lose to Southampton.
Taking West Ham down would be the most Manchester United thing he's done. #1992 #1995
You have to wonder how this guy got one of the most coveted jobs in English football.
We could've got Jose, but instead we got this charlatan, who did so much damage in 10 months, that 4.5 years later, Jose is still repairing the damage, that he did.
I don't normally dislike people who I have never met before, but Moyes - what he did was unforgivable.
We could've got Jose, but instead we got this charlatan, who did so much damage in 10 months, that 4.5 years later, Jose is still repairing the damage, that he did.
I don't normally dislike people who I have never met before, but Moyes - what he did was unforgivable.
He was an utter failure at Utd, but if you honestly think the problems at Utd are solely down to his 10 months in charge then your heads firmly in the sand.
He started the rot and completely destroyed a winning machine. Took us from winning the league by 10+ points to 7th, and as a result teams all thought they could win at OT, we haven’t got that fear factor back.
Lvg gave so much more damage than him , brought in so many deadwood worse than fellaini & installing robotic football style to our player.
Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs etc getting old had nothing to do with Moyes.
Not having adequate replacements for those players lined up also cant really be laid at his feet.
It depends, judging by what LVG/Mourinho have done in summers it has to be at least partially his fault. They identified their targets and got them (some) while he dithered and went after pipe dreams. Honestly whoever took over from Fergia was gonna be fecked but he made an impossible situation even worse.
I honestly believe that at least some of the blame to why we fell so hard has to do with Fergie not strengthening as much in his final seasons. He could win the league with Cleverley, but that's because he's a god.
No but he knew what age they were when he took over and through incompetence and/or indecision he didn't replace any of them in his year and two transfer windows in charge. As a result we lost and had to try to replace more players in one window than we should have had to because of Moyes decisions. If Moyes had got off his arse earlier after his appointment instead of going on a two month holiday and made some fecking decisions about singing players we wouldn't have lost half the first team in one go.
The blame for the mess the club has been in the last 4-5 years certainly can't all be laid at Moyes feet but he does have to shoulder some of the responsibility, arguably quite a lot of it seeing as he got the empire crumbling ball rolling in spectacular fashion. As someone else said runaway champions and never out of the top 3 for 20 years to scraping 7th place. No doubt Van Gaal also played a massive part in it with making a complete clusterfeck out of rebuilding the squad.
Yes it can he was the manager before they left, it was literally his job to identify and line replacements up for them. He wanted Shaw to replace Evra fair enough but thats probably the only replacement he lined up.
All of them needed replacing, and given the stature of the players we're talking about here, I doubt any manager would be capable of doing that within 2 windows.
The club should have had players coming through to take their place.
Most fans moaned for years about the failure to invest on Fergies final years, whoever took over was faced with a massive task, and that was made worse by Gill going at the same time.
Essentially my point. Its not SOLELY his fault.
I think the opposite. Apart from Van Persie, Fergie didn't go out and spend a lot of money which meant there was more left for his successor.
The United job Moyes was given was a dream ticket. There wasn't another team in the league with the quality and depth at striker (RVP, Rooney, Welbeck, Chicharito) or centre back (Vidic, Rio, Evans, Jones, Smalling) and he had 2 top class full backs in Rafael and Evra.
Carrick was Mr Reliable in midfield but he had carte blanche to change the midfield and style of play to whatever he wanted. Normally making changes to a championship winning team would attract criticism or fan unrest but no United fan would have argued with quality replacements in midfield.
He didn't inherit a team lacking in confidence like most managers do when taking over a top job. He had a squad of champions.
Picking Rio (who was finished) and Vidic in every game at the start of the season was stupidity. He had 3 very talented young central defenders. Pick his favourite, pair him with Vidic and make them first choice. Then once one is established replace Vidic with one of the other 2 or a new signing the following summer. But instead, he brought nobody through and lost all 3 experienced defenders the following summer.
He was appointed in May and couldn't get anyone apart from Fellaini in midfield. It was as if he'd never watched a single United match and had to spend months in training with the squad to know anything about the players.
The job he did at United was incredibly bad. It's hard to see how he could have done any worse if he tried.