Mali_Zeus
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Sure Valdes hasnt played for a big while now and has recovered from serious injury but lets give him a chance.
If DDG leaves of course.
If DDG leaves of course.
I think it's worth considering the possibility that he's keeping quiet because the club doesn't want their bargaining position weakened by an official confirmation that he's leaving. For all we know, he's doing us a favour. I'd like to know what's going to happen too, but let's not criticise him too much (not that you were doing that).When the feck are we gonna here what's going on with him. Why has nothing been said yet.
Yeah quite astonishing really !If DDG goes, I'd like Cech bought in.
DDG for Bale and Cech coming in as a replacement wouldnt be the worst deal ever. But ideally he stays.
Tough one saw a pic doing the rounds yesterday of previous player of the years and then their moves to madrid - Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo
Tough one saw a pic doing the rounds yesterday of previous player of the years and then their moves to madrid - Beckham, RVN, Ronaldo
I'd be happy if he did a Beckham and stayed another 6 years
One worrying thing I noticed is it went:I'd be happy if he did a Beckham and stayed another 6 years
You do know the season hasn't ended yet?When the feck are we gonna here what's going on with him. Why has nothing been said yet.
Then what would be the point in buying any young players with potential?This may have been brought up before but could it have been a mistake by Fergie to buy him, knowing that if he fulfilled his potential, he'd be off to Madrid within a few years?
Exactly this actually for me a lot has been said maybe too much.You do know the season hasn't ended yet?
Beckham and Ruud were sold on our terms and for the benefit of the team.
Chronic mistake having arguably the second best keeper in the world for the last three or so years.This may have been brought up before but could it have been a mistake by Fergie to buy him, knowing that if he fulfilled his potential, he'd be off to Madrid within a few years?
Then what would be the point in buying any young players with potential?
Maybe we shouldnt have purchased Ronaldo too?
I never said it was my view but its interesting to what might be the thought process of buying certain players from certain countries. As with De Gea, I'm pretty sure we were looking for a keeper to be our number 1 for a long period and not just 2 or 3 years. Had we bought VDS earlier I think he still would've stayed until he retired.Chronic mistake having arguably the second best keeper in the world for the last three or so years.
I reckon we felt that coming from Atletico we'd never have to worry about him signing for Real.This may have been brought up before but could it have been a mistake by Fergie to buy him, knowing that if he fulfilled his potential, he'd be off to Madrid within a few years?
Can't see it working that way round. If the offer from Real isn't high enough we may make him stay another year, in which case yes we play him, pointless not to.What if he stays another year but refuses to sign a new contract? What then? His value drops to zero. Do we still play him?
Could be a decent option if we can get a deal in place with someone like Leno or Oblak. Gives us another year of De Gea and would give some of the younger keepers like that another year of development and allow us to assess them more closely to determine if they are in fact worth taking the risk on over a more ready made option like Lloris. I'm not too happy at the names being touted except for Cech, who seems to want to stay in London. If losing De Gea on a free next year can enable us to find a better long term replacement then it'd be worth losing the cash. Not like Madrid are offering us any serious money anyway (nowhere near the fee we should get for him).What if he stays another year but refuses to sign a new contract? What then? His value drops to zero. Do we still play him?
A couple of days ago didn't you say he was off?I think he'll stay. If Carlo was staying at Madrid it would be different, but if you put aside the personal reasons and look at the footballing reasons he'd be a bit daft to leave. We're on our way back up with an excellent manager and a squad that will have huge investment this summer. Madrid are changing manager and haven't looked great recently, they'll keep trying to sign De Gea like they did with Ronnie, so he could stay for another season and move to Madrid when they're on the up again.
Much has changed in a few days though. I think Carlo leaving will have a big say for De Gea. I'm probably very wrong.A couple of days ago didn't you say he was off?
Theres no way were going to let another season go by and pretend the situation doesn't exist, He will be sold or swapped this summer or he will stay and sign a new contract (and maybe sold the following season for a reasonable amount)What if he stays another year but refuses to sign a new contract? What then? His value drops to zero. Do we still play him?
I thought Carlo leaving had been pretty much well known for a while? It should have an impact on what de Gea decides but I doubt it will. With his dad's fear of flying and his girlfriend staying in Spain, he's off imo.Much has changed in a few days though. I think Carlo leaving will have a big say for De Gea. I'm probably very wrong.
I don't think the manager here has much impact to be honest. It's Real, Perez often does the transfer business alone and doesn't look what the manager wants. Even with Bale I watched a interview with Carlo, where you could see that Bale was not his idea or his target, but he was more like yeah I can't complain if someone buys me a player like Bale. From DDGs point of view it doesn't matter that much either imo, if he wants to return to Spain/Madrid.Much has changed in a few days though. I think Carlo leaving will have a big say for De Gea. I'm probably very wrong.
Didnt stop Ronaldo when there was a change of manager,wont stop Dave either,he knows what hes getting himself into joining that club.Much has changed in a few days though. I think Carlo leaving will have a big say for De Gea. I'm probably very wrong.
Was hardly a curse was it. They're not likely to be after our rubbish players are they.
So the first is 6 years before leaving then it's 3 years, then it's 1 and now it's the same season, surely that's the end of that curse then.
They'll also take Herrera this season to make it -1 and TFM to make it -3.
So the first is 6 years before leaving then it's 3 years, then it's 1 and now it's the same season, surely that's the end of that curse then.
Selling him, swapping him, resigning him. These all require the player to agree. We all think he's the nice guy who isn't all about the cheque. But what if his game plan is just to run down his contract and pick up a a massive signing on fee? That's what I'd do. It's not like we'd put him in the reserves as punishment - he's too good for that.Theres no way were going to let another season go by and pretend the situation doesn't exist, He will be sold or swapped this summer or he will stay and sign a new contract (and maybe sold the following season for a reasonable amount)
And of course he doesn't have to "do" anything to get punished for....he could legitimately let his contract run down as it is. He'd be within his rights to. All he would have to do is be non-committal about a new one - say "I don't want to sign yet - I'm not thinking about it" and then let the two (or more) offers come in from whatever suitors are out there and of course the club itself - so he wouldn't be threatened with the reserves (unless he went "I want to sign for Real this year - I don't want to play for you" - which would be out of order because he's under contract.Selling him, swapping him, resigning him. These all require the player to agree. We all think he's the nice guy who isn't all about the cheque. But what if his game plan is just to run down his contract and pick up a a massive signing on fee? That's what I'd do. It's not like we'd put him in the reserves as punishment - he's too good for that.
Exactly. And there's a deeper problem here as witnessed by the Sterling debacle. Clubs think they own players and should naturally get paid large amounts of money to give them up. I think that we will see agents and players challenging that mindset more and more. And rightly so. Irrespective of their obscene wages, the transfer system exists in no other industry and players shouldn't really have to put up with it. The only reason it still exists is that the phony court of CAS manages to somehow keep it alive.And of course he doesn't have to "do" anything to get punished for....he could legitimately let his contract run down as it is. He'd be within his rights to. All he would have to do is be non-committal about a new one - say "I don't want to sign yet - I'm not thinking about it" and then let the two (or more) offers come in from whatever suitors are out there and of course the club itself - so he wouldn't be threatened with the reserves (unless he went "I want to sign for Real this year - I don't want to play for you" - which would be out of order because he's under contract.
Really interesting points here. You have to wonder whether the transfer system will ever change that drastically at some point.Exactly. And there's a deeper problem here as witnessed by the Sterling debacle. Clubs think they own players and should naturally get paid large amounts of money to give them up. I think that we will see agents and players challenging that mindset more and more. And rightly so. Irrespective of their obscene wages, the transfer system exists in no other industry and players shouldn't really have to put up with it. The only reason it still exists is that the phony court of CAS manages to somehow keep it alive.
If he stays, it would be because he doesn't want to go yet or wants to wait and see. In that case, the obvious course of action for everyone involved would be a 2/3 year contract extension with a release clause.What if he stays another year but refuses to sign a new contract? What then? His value drops to zero. Do we still play him?
Said as much myself in the Sterling thread....Exactly. And there's a deeper problem here as witnessed by the Sterling debacle. Clubs think they own players and should naturally get paid large amounts of money to give them up. I think that we will see agents and players challenging that mindset more and more. And rightly so. Irrespective of their obscene wages, the transfer system exists in no other industry and players shouldn't really have to put up with it. The only reason it still exists is that the phony court of CAS manages to somehow keep it alive.