£60m? I'm not usually one to say we should go for someone else, but that's an incredible amount of money and surely we could find someone better for such a price.
Eric Dier | Poch: “He is an important player for us and the idea is not to sell him."
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Let's move on I am sure there is another quality midfielder who might be even cheaper and less overrated
Even if we pay 70 Million for a strong English player who can play a big part in any success we have over the next ten years will be money well spent.
Much rather him than Matic and I'd be happy enough if we signed him but I do think there are better options out there for more reasonable prices.
Said it multiple times, really hope we get him.
If our options are Matic or Dier, I'd rather have Dier, even if he does cost more. I'm slightly concerned about the lack of British contingent, I know we've got more than most but we should still look to be signing British if the opportunity presents itself. And to those saying Levy won't sell to us, you better believe he will. He'd sell his own mother if the price was right.
At this point, we're clearly not in for Fabinho or Matic, both who are significantly better than Dier. But DM is still a huge hole on the squad, so whatever, sign Dier up if that's all who were looking at now.
Same here. Adding on the English player/Utd tax doesn't quite justify the fee, but sort of makes it understandable, at least in the current financial climate. His age counts for a lot too, in terms of ability to learn and adapt, and potential years of service.
If we were to morph into that 3-5-2 from the friendly during games a lot (which I know we may well not), he's actually ideal if you ask me. A decent level of experience in the PL at both CB and CDM, a good fitness/injury record... He'd be expensive but we could do a lot worse.
Paying extra because he's English makes feck all sense when he's not homegrown.
Levy won't sell and i'm not all that disappointed either unless he was available for a reasonable price. I do however hope we get a defensive midfielder in before the transfer window closes.
I don't think we need to be held to ransom for a DM. We need one, no question, but it's not desperate just yet. Carrick is still here, after all - he won't be able to play every game but he'll be there for the big ones if necessary. Herrera, as we saw last season, can do a superb defensive job against less difficult opponents, and we have the exciting prospect of Pereira being around to free him up to do so. Plus the likes of TFM and Tuanzebe are around looking to hoover up any game time going spare in the cups. And, although I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, I'm a bit of a fan of Blind at DM, so that's another potential candidate for games there. Plenty of options if there's no-one top notch available at a sensible price this summer.
Agree with this. I don't see it being the critical difference for us between winning and not winning/ challenging for trophies.
Plenty of options, but none is on the required standard to challenge the League (except Carrick, but his age is catching up).
This is Naby Keita money...
I know who I would rather have.
I know who I would rather have.
I'd be very happy with getting him. He'd be as useful to us as Milner was at City. And still is at Liverpool. He'd be excellent for us.
But is say 60m for 23 year old, who could do the job for a decade, never to be lured by the bright lights of Real or Barca being 'held to ransom'?
To give LVG some credit, he did know what he wanted. He had a plan, an idea of where he wanted to take the team. It was an improvement over Moyes, who had no fecking idea what he was doing at all.
The problem is that LVG showed, over two seasons, he had no idea of how to actually make it work. The players that he had generally weren't suited to what he wanted to do. As such, he had two options. Either change his tactics to suit the players that he had, or to buy the right players to suit where he wanted to go with the team. Or maybe a combo of both, starting with the first and then moving onto the latter in his second season. Instead he did neither. He kept with his purely possession based style, while not having the players to really make it work. And the majority of the players he bought in never worked out either.
£60m is a lot but it's what it's going to take for us to take him from Tottenham, make no mistake. If we are interested in Dier, we must know that Tottenham will try to take us to cleaners and it won't be easy even with a ridiculous bid. We'd be betting on him becoming a ridiculous success but that's the story with whoever we try to get from Spurs, if we are getting involved in negotiations with them we must be convinced that the player we want is going to be a massive success here because the price is bound to be incredibly ridiculous.
He stumbled onto a good tactic in the middle of his first season but somehow abandon it in his second season when we bought Schneiderlin and Bastian. From 433 to a 4231 when we had more options in the middle and rather than changing it up like in his first season(352 in the beginning), he stuck to it until the end. All because he was to stixk Rooney somewhere in the hole.
Honestly reminds me a bit of Owen Hargreaves minus the injury issues.
Versatile player with good motor that prefers to play in defensive midfield. Good athleticism and a solid pro.
You cant go wrong with that. 50m maybe steep but you just know he will be at the club for the next 10 years ala Michael Carrick.
spurs would be mental to get rid of him.
Versatile player with good motor that prefers to play in defensive midfield. Good athleticism and a solid pro.
You cant go wrong with that. 50m maybe steep but you just know he will be at the club for the next 10 years ala Michael Carrick.
spurs would be mental to get rid of him.
He is an England international though, and that's where the 'tax' comes in, especially being Manchester United.
£50m is feck all for United.
Some people seem more willing to not sign a DM at all because a Billionaire football club will be paying £10m too much.
Some people seem more willing to not sign a DM at all because a Billionaire football club will be paying £10m too much.
Where's the logic behind that?
An England international should result in a discount given how shite they are.
I don't care whether he costs 40, 50 or 60mil. I'd rather Fabinho because he's a better player imo but if we can't get him and its a straight shoot out between Dier and Matic, I'd much rather we get Dier even if we pay more for him.
I wonder how this story ends...
Us: £25m for Dier
Levy: Piss off
Us: £40m
Levy: Remember that time I told you to piss off
Us: £50m
Levy: I'd maybe think about £60m
Us: £60m then
Levy: Piss off. £90m
Us: £25m for Dier
Levy: Piss off
Us: £40m
Levy: Remember that time I told you to piss off
Us: £50m
Levy: I'd maybe think about £60m
Us: £60m then
Levy: Piss off. £90m
As pointed out above, £60m for an English player who he doesn't qualify as HG is just unreasonable.
Levy is playing a dangerous game here, not only is he unwilling to introduce a new wage structure as Spurs to keep his players in line with those of comparative ability, he's also more than happy to price them out of the market. Basically he's telling his players you're stuck at Spurs untill the end of your contract unless opposition clubs are prepared to pay silly money for your services. Plus you will not be paid your market worth.
Hopefully it will come back and bite him in his greedy ass. Sooner rather than later preferably.
Levy is playing a dangerous game here, not only is he unwilling to introduce a new wage structure as Spurs to keep his players in line with those of comparative ability, he's also more than happy to price them out of the market. Basically he's telling his players you're stuck at Spurs untill the end of your contract unless opposition clubs are prepared to pay silly money for your services. Plus you will not be paid your market worth.
Hopefully it will come back and bite him in his greedy ass. Sooner rather than later preferably.
Carrick is finished, tfm and tuanzebe are defenders (and rookies), blind is the dutch oshit
He's got the technical ability of Weigl and the physical ability of Matic. Sign him up, Ed! £60m, £70m, £80m - don't care.
60m for a CB playing in midfield. This would be our most unnecessary signing of the summer. He's no great improvement on anything. We are just buying for the sake of it. I don't usually say this, but just give our youth players a chance instead.
No de doesn't
There probably isn't any, at least that I can articulate at this point.
Seriously though. There's a point about Utd, British players, tradition and history, yada yada, in there somewhere, but Dier and this thread probably isn't the place for it. The non-homegrown thing does make sense, I guess.
I'm a Welsh/Irish mongrel for what it's worth. It's not necessarilly rooted in 'nationalist' type thinking or suchlike.
He'd improve us, the season before last he did very well at the base of Spurs midfield, he's a Mourinho player, tall, strong, can play a bit, not afraid to get stuck in etc.
Right now the only defensive mid we have is a 35 year old Carrick, so of course he'd be an upgrade here, the question is if he'd be a 60mill upgrade.
Very debateable to say the least, but hes 23, if he could give us 10 years service the fee won't look as bad.
Just out of interest, is the bolded part a genuine word or is it some form of Welsh/Irish mongrel slang?There probably isn't any, at least that I can articulate at this point.
Seriously though. There's a point about Utd, British players, tradition and history, yada yada, in there somewhere, but Dier and this thread probably isn't the place for it. The non-homegrown thing does make sense, I guess.
I'm a Welsh/Irish mongrel for what it's worth. It's not necessarilly rooted in 'nationalist' type thinking or suchlike.
Apologies for going off topic.
this made me laughIt's in the dictionary.
This is getting retarded. Jose needs to get more involved in transfers instead of just ordering Woody to stick to a list he was given in April ffs. We need to be more dynamic. Spending £105m on Dier + Perisic would be beyond stupid. Almost any midfielder/winger could be got at these price points yet Utd stick to wanting these two. Frustrating.