I feel that we go round on this topic because some of you don’t realise the volume of player turnover
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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We're missing 3/4 of our main backline, and all of their backups, and were forced to play our best midfielder from last season (who's looking completely finished this season) in defence. Our best player (Bruno) was missing, and also his "backup" (if you can call Mount that), as was the player supposed to be our talisman, who despite his flaws almost always scores in big games.
And still we made it a close game against the team who for the second season running have given City a run for their money (and who might yet win the title).
Again, I understand wanting Ten Hag out, but give some credit where it's due.
But also more evidence that he either plays Oleball and relies on Rashford/Bruno moments or plays suicide ball and we concede 30 shots.
Our attacking play is staggeringly bad in both setups.
Of course they had a reason. 1-0 against any home side is a position you never want to be in when a draw ends your season.
United simply did a good job of breaking up play and we got the ball forward quite well. Deciding that their strategy was '1-0 is great' and they could have stepped up 2 gears and scored comfortably if they wanted to is doing a disservice to United.
We've been much worse than today's performance. I still believe hag needs to go. Bring in the owl. 
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I don't see a credible rational for setting up this way, read a lot of comments of how he had to move on from deep block and counter football but that and this are not the only 2 options.
The only silver lining to our abysmal results is that surely he will go at the end of the season.
I had really hoped he would change us for the good after last season but this is diabolical.
In some perverse universe, if he's still here next season I can see us going back to some stability and progression but I'm not sure I want to envision that right now.
I had really hoped he would change us for the good after last season but this is diabolical.
In some perverse universe, if he's still here next season I can see us going back to some stability and progression but I'm not sure I want to envision that right now.
If you notice, I've not gone in on anything about today, and even defended Garnacho in the matchday thread. I'm aware of our predicament, which is why I spoke of red tints and not taking the objective stance.
I had zero expectation of us getting anything out of this game, and am very happy we kept the score down.
Is it unprecedented? I'm pretty sure that we have had similar or worse injury crisis in 15/16, iirc at some point we had 13 or 16 players out at the same time.
There were definitely seasons where we had to play a lot of kids, Kambwala barely had to play in this one so I'd be inclined to think our manager is full of it
No point playing a centre forward when we rarely cross the ball.
Interestingly in 15/16 most agreed that LVG needed to go but that season we managed to get 66 points and were fighting for a CL spot until the last day.
Who?We've been much worse than today's performance. I still believe hag needs to go. Bring in the owl.
I've had idiot posts calling me a cultists when I agree he should be sacked. I wouldn't count on it mate.
I sawy mate who is close to INEOS
He's gone , asked him outright. Said again decision made bye bye ten hag after cup final.
He's gone , asked him outright. Said again decision made bye bye ten hag after cup final.
I think something all the top guys have about them is cunning and minds that project with a certain prescience. They might play in the now, but they also have a plan mapped out for the next season, or even the one after that, and they will systematically, silently and methodically work towards what they want with subtlety, most times and extract all that can be extracted from the personnel they have at their disposal whilst also planning for life without them, mostly unbeknownst to the players in question. If they want to get to C from A, they come up with a solid B in the interim; they don't stumble and bumble and uproot unnecessarily and they don't work against the best interests of what they have to deploy.
There is an echo chamber when it comes to Casemiro that he was a really bad signing because he fell off a cliff, but what the top managers do is cater for someone like him and his game, and even as he's in the door, are planning for his decline and his replacement, either dropping said player next to him, or rotating with him or even intensifying their search for his successor whilst using the [borrowed] time as a buffer. They don't have this player running around in systems that will utterly exacerbate their decline whilst stripping them of all the armour that made them so brilliant in the first place.
There's a theme with ten Hag that I didn't see coming, because I thought he was a brilliant strategist first and foremost and that such things would all be elementary for him. Instead, he's fostered the slowest midfield cohort in the league at the same time as stripping the midfield of its best athlete by far, and made them play the most manic football in the league. That's sabotage, as far as I am concerned. I don't know what goes through his mind to execute such ill-considered methodology, methodology even the most simple observation stated would absolutely crash and burn the moment it was announced.
Anyway, I'm not going to trudge through old ground, and actually re-engage in something I've accepted is folly, suffice it to say, the man lost his mind the moment last season concluded, and should have had the keys taken from him way, way, way back for it. He hasn't shown the nous or brilliance I expect from the calibre of manager I wish for us to have here. In fact, he's proven to be amateurish, which is a massive disappointment and lends weight to the job being too big for him.
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It’s a game literally to stop being embarrassing. The team achieved it. It really has nothing to fight with each other here anymore. The writing is on the wall for a few months already. Just be patient to finish this embarrassing season.
I'm not ITK I'm just relaying information.
I told you guys about INEOS taking over back in like march last year and told you it would be done in October, admittedly it took until December but we all know it got delayed.
Same person I heard that from has told me twice on separate occasions that they are moving him on. These guys are ruthless and don't have time to wait to get it right.
You lads are just on a windup now.
Roy the boy Hodgson
Because his football was boring and outdated and he had no plan to improve it.
Out of interest what style of play do you think we could have played today that was significantly better and more attacking than what we tried?
You wanted to see tactical flexibility he shows it despite a severely weakened first XI and still with the negetive.
I don’t think you’re going to be happy watching United for another 2/3 seasons regardless of manager.
What options do you believe are available to us with Casemiro and Evans at CB?
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Out of embarrassment? Because you've got a vault filled with shelves of the stuff? You've been rumbled, mate.
Funny how Fergie anointed Moyes and asked people to back him then immediately washed his hands of the whole thing after he was sacked.
Yet @Jaae still remains!
At least we're nearly there now, I'm just counting down the games at this point.
I believe you. Don't disappoint me now.
The club sent Moyes packing less than a year later... and basically sacked LvG on the day he won a cup final. The good ol' days of our banter era.
Among the people who are still backing EtH, I'm really not sure what are they seeing in him for us to retain him? And I don't really care about today's result, as it was against one of the strongest sides in the league.
If we talk about injuries - most of these are muscle injuries, and most of these players are barely ever rotated (not even in meaningless games, and games against teams that are a couple of divisions lower than us). Plus, I don't think the expectations he's put on fans on Licha when he returns. If anything, he's pretty much been set up for failure, because the expectation is that licha is the difference between us clinging on to top half finish and us finishing in top 3-4 or higher. Ofcourse when we don't do that, it'll be "Licha's injury fecked him, and he isn't the same player"
We want to talk about transfers/structure/squad -He's pretty much signed an entire XI, barring a CB and RB I think.
And lastly, let's talk about the tactics. (I honestly don't care about the style as long as we are entertaining - it may be long ball or counters or tiki-taka). His tactics are continuously bringing outeither the worst in every player or ensuring that their primary strengths are not being utilized at the very least. Casemiro - his legs are gone and should be sold - but he's being asked to cover unreasonable amount of ground. The back 4 literally has no protection. Playing AWB on the left ensures that his tacking is useless, Bruno playing deeper means that he can't play those dangerous passes, Hojlund barely gets any service, Onana, whose ball playing ability was hailed has been pinging long balls for so long with us not having any attacker who's exceptional in the air, Rashford is playing too wide and the LB behind him has just rotated between Dalot and AWB and Reguillon, Maguire was playing as the 2nd striker in the last 15 mins, and with his pace was asked to get back into position in defence when we lost the ball. Mainoo is being asked to do too much, and I don't think he should be pushing that high up that often.
If we talk about injuries - most of these are muscle injuries, and most of these players are barely ever rotated (not even in meaningless games, and games against teams that are a couple of divisions lower than us). Plus, I don't think the expectations he's put on fans on Licha when he returns. If anything, he's pretty much been set up for failure, because the expectation is that licha is the difference between us clinging on to top half finish and us finishing in top 3-4 or higher. Ofcourse when we don't do that, it'll be "Licha's injury fecked him, and he isn't the same player"
We want to talk about transfers/structure/squad -He's pretty much signed an entire XI, barring a CB and RB I think.
And lastly, let's talk about the tactics. (I honestly don't care about the style as long as we are entertaining - it may be long ball or counters or tiki-taka). His tactics are continuously bringing outeither the worst in every player or ensuring that their primary strengths are not being utilized at the very least. Casemiro - his legs are gone and should be sold - but he's being asked to cover unreasonable amount of ground. The back 4 literally has no protection. Playing AWB on the left ensures that his tacking is useless, Bruno playing deeper means that he can't play those dangerous passes, Hojlund barely gets any service, Onana, whose ball playing ability was hailed has been pinging long balls for so long with us not having any attacker who's exceptional in the air, Rashford is playing too wide and the LB behind him has just rotated between Dalot and AWB and Reguillon, Maguire was playing as the 2nd striker in the last 15 mins, and with his pace was asked to get back into position in defence when we lost the ball. Mainoo is being asked to do too much, and I don't think he should be pushing that high up that often.
Don’t doubt it, really. Is this irrespective of the result in the final?
Same, and the best part is all our games are in the next two weeks so we can get the 3 batterings out of the way and enjoy the summer after that.
He's had two years and we're worse by every metric. The final shouldn't make a difference at all. Bayern wouldn't have kept Tuchel on if he won the CL. It's thanks and see ya later.
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Any idea who we’re getting as manager?
It's going to be Potter or Southgate. They're going to go British and someone who's used to working under a setup like the one they're setting up currently. I doubt they're going to feck around and give someone time to learn on the job or get used to it.
Standards were a lot higher then. I think we just haven’t been the same since it all we went bad under Ole. Even last season. We had a very favourable draw in the Cup and had a really good spell mid season. But there were signs then that Ten Hag needed to be questioned. His in game management is his biggest problem. He cant change a game or see one out. His record against the bigger teams in the league is abysmal. Even Ole got a few wins over City.
Yeah sadly I think you're right.