Let's not forget we had to sack a manager who won the FA Cup the year before to hire Fergie.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Giving him 1/4 of the season is pointless. A new manager would have a better change if he had preseason with them.
so, Either keep him or don’t.
If there was a major stand out manager available then yes I would probably make that switch.
There are potentially good managers out there but all of them come with a risk.
This season has been a train wreck based on performances but these players have proven many times they can just down tools and not care.
If ETH got a few decent additions and got rid of some of these chancers we have as footballers then I would accept another season with him to see how it goes.
Honestly though, I think he's leaving so its a moot opinion.
There are potentially good managers out there but all of them come with a risk.
This season has been a train wreck based on performances but these players have proven many times they can just down tools and not care.
If ETH got a few decent additions and got rid of some of these chancers we have as footballers then I would accept another season with him to see how it goes.
Honestly though, I think he's leaving so its a moot opinion.
And a shitty judge of character or bereft of a moral compass
At least it’s a new narrativeAccording to Erik Casemiro was a big part of his plans to play alongside FDJ.
It is clear the players and match going fans want him to stay.
Media and watch from home fans pushing a different narrative.
If they don't want me, I will go somewhere else and win trophies, because that is what I do.... stunning from the man himself. Love to see it.
Media and watch from home fans pushing a different narrative.
If they don't want me, I will go somewhere else and win trophies, because that is what I do.... stunning from the man himself. Love to see it.
10 games is literally nothing, you can't start a season with a manager you have so little faith in. For people who think this game is where we turn the corner, just remember the Liverpool game and what happened after it.
Which ones?
You say that like we haven't had 2 defenders available for 95% of the season.
The performance being better was mostly down to abandoning the suicidal tactics he's been employing all season.
What if its the same league performances continued onto the first 10 games of the next season? Then sack him? Isn't that exactly what we don't want?
And I'm not even in the ETH out camp; I'm more of I don't care either way camp given there is no outstanding manager to be brought in.
And Ineos I think are in a bit of a pickle in terms of this decision. Anything less than a good start to the next season, if its with ETH, they'll be crucified for not taking a decisive action to get a new manager in after a dreadful league season, and if its a new manager, they'll be crucified for not continuing on with ETH.
That's the problem, people choose not to remember and instead change their opinions on the last game played. How many false dawns have we had over the past decade?
He was not sacked right after the cup. He was sacked already in the season after an atrocious run.
Two points, 1 we won the Europa League 7 years ago, 2 we won a major trophy 14 months ago.
We've had the most in terms of separate time loss injuries in the league. We've had the second most individual players injured. We have the worst injury weeks where players are out at any one time.
In terms of minutes missed by injured or unavailable players it's 6th, with Malacia not counting as he was injured before the start of the season.
Not sure there's anything to flag the concentration of injuries in one area and how long that lasted for.
I said the year after not right after.
Yeah much like this season has been atrocious.
Yes he can still be sacked after 2 trophies in 2 seasons.
And I have seen no evidence at all that the players love and respect him. On the contrary in many cases.
Finishing 8th is nothing like good enough for a club like United.
In my view, we need a new start with a new administration and organisation.
We all know we need a major clear out.
Yes yesterday was wonderful.
But we must judge him over the season. And football at the highest level has no room for sentiment. It is about winning.
OK, which team has had players miss the most matches due to injury?
A bit more luck and we would have won the league.
I’m so torn on him. 
Amrabat has been fit and available for months why didn't he play him sooner?
The risk to have a poor season with him is there and then mid season so much more difficult to find a good new coach. Tough call
If only the moon was aligned with the stars
Eric has filled the squad with a lot of his signings and most of them of been abysmal. He has to take most of the blame for what was an absolute clusterfeck of a season. The set up of the team, constantly playing underperforming players and not giving guys on the bench a chance and the fact that he needed nearly 50 games to realise that we are a leaky sieve and need some bodies in midfield.
He's also got one year left on his contract. Are we really going to renew his deal when this season has proven that we have gone backwards, missing out on the champions league and allowed spurs, chelsea, Aston villa and Newcastle all to finish ahead of us?
I'm delighted we won yesterday. One of the best moments we have had in years, but if he is sacked he cannot have any complaints. The Anthony transfer alone should be enough.
I am very torn on this. The league position he deserves the sack. However where do we go from there? If they go for McKenna because he is the sexy name at the moment, someone who has not managed in the PL, never managed in Europe. He would need a lot of changes in that team and support from above. Biggest of all he would need patience and I am not entirely sure he would get it, especially from the fanbase. If he deserves patience why not ETH who has brought us two trophies in two years? Poch is a good manager and good with young players, but people bring up he has never won anything of note, Tuchel has, but ends up falling out with people. Frank has not got experience at a top club, although he does appear to be a good coach. Southgate is a good man manager, but has shown he cannot adapt teams when the pressure is on. Maybe we just need to to take on either Poch or Tuchel, hope it works while keeping an eye on McKenna and how he does in the PL. If he isn't going to stay at Ipswich then Brighton would give him the environment to succeed, Chelsea wouldn't in my opinion.
What’s the general consensus on this at the moment? Looked certain he was going 48 hours ago, how about now?
So not the same situation after all. Thanks for the confirmation
He lost a Copa Del Rey final in 2011.
True. This was his biggest downfall this season. He seems to have fixed it at the bitter end. Better late than never though I suppose.
If ETH is willing to go into next season playing a non-suicidal midfield then I think he could do just as well as any of the other candidates. Either way, the bigger issue will be what to do with all the attacking midfielders in the squad - Eriksen, Mount, McTominay and Bruno who really should all be competing for 1 position - and the lack of reliable defensive mids - this is a problem of ETH's own creation, especially the Mount signing, but I'd be interested to see him attempt to fix it next season. Ultimately I think the board/DoF need to be having these conversations with ETH. Worst case scenario is we stick with ETH, and we start next season with a lone DM and Bruno + Mount/McT bombing forwards leaving us exposed. Think we'd struggle defensively even with prime Rio and Vidic in that set up.
Then surely that is more about us being bloody stupid enough to have a heirarchy that knows nothing about football and let him choose the players, when he didn't do it at Ajax. That is our fault in a way. The setup is now going to be different and he will be asked what he needs and then they get the players, so more position wise than specific players.
Me tooI’m so torn on him.
I wanted him gone but you can’t deny that he has won 2 trophies in 2 years. The league form has been absolutely shit and he’s tactics has been horrendous throughout the season but for some reason our last few games has been pretty good.
No bother I'm always more than happy to clear up someone misinterpreted a post.
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Re ETH, the difference between keeping him and a new coach is we already know how he managed in crisis - poorly. He seems to manage for his ego rather than what’s best for the team
Heart says keep him. Head says keep him. He gets one more season.
Better football, top 4, consistency and a good cup run is what is needed.
Better football, top 4, consistency and a good cup run is what is needed.
I would say that it’s simply best to judge over s season than on one matchMe too
I wanted him gone but you can’t deny that he has won 2 trophies in 2 years. The league form has been absolutely shit and he’s tactics has been horrendous throughout the season but for some reason our last few games has been pretty good.
I think the reason we have so many injuries this season is because of the midfieldless tactics.
Neutralizing the opponents plan is mostly a job for the midfielders and defenders, but the way we played this season placed that burden solely on the defenders. This means they have to work harder than usual, which means more injuries for them. It’s made worse by the manager refusing to change things through 50 odd games.
If the club decide to stick with him, give him a clear warning to abstain from doughnut football. Also take transfer veto off him. Then back him with quality players and ship out lazy players and average quality players.
If he insists on lé doughnut, sack him.
Neutralizing the opponents plan is mostly a job for the midfielders and defenders, but the way we played this season placed that burden solely on the defenders. This means they have to work harder than usual, which means more injuries for them. It’s made worse by the manager refusing to change things through 50 odd games.
If the club decide to stick with him, give him a clear warning to abstain from doughnut football. Also take transfer veto off him. Then back him with quality players and ship out lazy players and average quality players.
If he insists on lé doughnut, sack him.
He won a major trophy during an injury crisis, back to back trophies in his time at the club despite an unprecedented injury crisis.
Lads, I think he deserves 1 more season.
An insider said on one of the podcasts like around christmas that he wasn't a man manager. He was too dry. Sometimes you need a manager who can coax you into things rather than just tell you.
We had terrible start of last season with full team. What do you think you will see in those ten games that you haven't already seen?
Also, we will miss out some decent managers available, you don't sack your manager after ten games into a new season ffs.