Even with how catastrophic this season has gone he still managed to reach 61 wins faster than Arteta and Klopp. He’s the joint first manager to reach 50 wins in Uniteds history.
Surely with all that’s going on in and around the club that’s worth something.
I don't judge him against Arteta and Klopp in their earlier seasons.. Arteta inherited a fractured squad, got rid of their bigger abs me established players in favour of younger players to look at being successful in the long term. He also instilled a good underlying style of football that we evident even when they weren't getting results. The end result of that is exactly what they were aiming for. Klopp also had a poor team at the start, the teams he was putting out in his first season are night and day from the quality they have now or even we have now.
The thing is we've still not got a discernible and credible style of play, even with our best team. We never control a game and have come close to dropping points in many of our wins. Even after a solid first season, many talked about all these things as being of concern and areas where we needed to improve. Naturally, with these things not improving, results have caught up.
Unlike some, I also actually think our players are better than they're given credit for. Certainly good enough to beat some of the teams we've lost to and largely been outplayed by. The likes of Bournemouth, who beat us 3-0 but should have scored even more. Fulham, Palace, Forest. Even with our weaker teams, I think we had enough to put these teams to bed comfortably. I'm judging us on what we've had available and I still don't think it's been anywhere near good enough. But not only are they beating us, I also see managers that have or number. They out think Ten Hag, they make adjustments that swing games and he doesn't have answers.