Robbie Boy
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Well, there's a large percentage on ETH's back too.....People used to get on Ole's back about 'vibes' football. This chaos is way worse than anything we produced back then
Well, there's a large percentage on ETH's back too.....People used to get on Ole's back about 'vibes' football. This chaos is way worse than anything we produced back then
The likes of Shaw and Rashford at the start of EtH tenure were much better players than when they made debuts under LvG.What I like about him is that he has shown an ability to make players better, especially young players.
Dalot, Mainoo, AWB, Hojlund, Garnacho, McT, even Rashford last season.
Of course there are failures too and these things don't happen in a straight line. But name one player Moyes made better. Or Jose. Or Ole.
So are you saying that no manager could be doing a better job?But if the club’s incompetent through and through , how can any manager succeed and meet elite level targets in a club that’s nowhere near elite level run?
And don’t give me “well we could at least play decent football”, that’s not good enough. If we were doing that people would be complaining that we aren’t even close to competing. The club isn’t setup to succeed, so when things start going wrong we fall badly , just like league winning teams whose form collapses the season after winning a league. Negative momentum and loss in form can cripple a team.
This happens to all United managers because the club throws money at the problem without fixing the underlying issues. They are expected to challange for the league “cause 400 million spent” in an environment that a mid table club wouldn’t be happy with. Our club doesn’t help managers , it undermines them, particularly with awful squad balances and pathetic loan alternatives.
I didn’t say another manager couldn’t do better, I said it’s hard to objectively rate our managers when they are having to navigate such below par standards and the teams we are trying to match or surpass give their managers a better run at things. Spending helps when it’s spent well but we never spend well. This idea that ETH transfer Involvement is a huge problem ignores the fact we’ve has issues for a long time with our transfer policy.So are you saying that no manager could be doing a better job?
I think any sane fan realises how poorly run the club has been, and to some extent that's bought most managers time and some patience. I personally think anyone taking on this job under the old regime (we'll see how the new regime do) had a huge job navigating that. Ten Hag has been given too much say in transfers it turns out and he has to take some of the flak for the recruitment.
It all looked promising before the Carabao Cup final and now it looks very much like the wheels have come off.
The structure of the club isn't responsible for what Ten Hag and his team are doing on the training ground, the openness of the system he's employing week after week, the decisions he makes in game or the deluded ramblings to the press after the City game. That's all on him.
I personally didn't expect him to be challenging for the title after a season, but I expected better than what we're currently getting and some form of a system and style developing, even if it was a bit rough and ready. We don't look like a team in transition but one in regression. There's no obvious indication that whatever he's trying to do is going to work.
For what it's worth I think there's no point sacking him now before the executive structure is sorted, but I personally think it's unlikely he'll be here next year barring a major improvement in performances.
He got Shaw back and threw him right back into the thick of things without easing him in. Even played him with a knock so it's the managers own fault he's injured again.So Ten Hag has confirmed he was told he’d have both his LBs available by the medical staff.
Now imagine you’re a manager and you get told by qualified professionals that something is going to be the case. Do you against medical advice completely ignore them and keep an extra player?
Difficult to manage big squads, also could have been FFP constraints. Its never black and white.Does ETH not have a mind of his own then?
Anyone with half a brain cell could have told you that Shaw constantly has injury problems & relying on Malacia not to have anymore setbacks after two knee operations in the space of six months was a massive risk.
As usual with ETH it’s everyone else’s fault. He’s in self preservation mode and looking for excuses at every turn.
He's doing nothing differentStanding firm against those who wish death upon him.
Oh please. He got two pens.Standing firm against those who wish death upon him.
You're right, how dare he set out a team to be threatening on the ball. That bald bastard.Oh please. He got two pens.
With a low table quality manager. It’s a miracle!We are a mid-table quality team. We should be grateful that we are 6th in the league.
Very true. Considering you have to go to 13th place in the league to find a team who have scored fewer goals than us.We are a mid-table quality team. We should be grateful that we are 6th in the league.
Watch out he's got a pen!!Oh please. He got two pens.
You're right. It's a great win for poundland OleYou're right, how dare he set out a team to be threatening on the ball. That bald bastard.
Utter shite. As usual.
But injuries or something.
We’ve seen this exact type of football with towards the end of LVG, Mourinho and Ole. Clearly we are rubbish, there’s no denying that but it seems to happen with every manager we hire.If this is the type of football people enjoy then fair, but besides the poor results, his football are more boring than he is.
Yep. It's sheer good fortune that so many results like today have fallen our way. Awful again but we'll take it.We are a mid-table quality team. We should be grateful that we are 6th in the league.
We didn't really run under Ole when times were hard. Ole actually got thumped 4-0 vs Everton if I'm not mistaken, when he has his high as caretakerYou're right. It's a great win for poundland Ole
The most exciting thing about the match is the final whistleWe’ve seen this exact type of football with towards the end of LVG, Mourinho and Ole. Clearly we are rubbish, there’s no denying that but it seems to happen with every manager we hire.
Well this is Ten Hag's worst. If you want to compare to Oles worst, where we were overly tinkering with tactics, didn't have as many injuries and had players outright stop running, it should be obvious.How is this any different to Solskjaer, other than Ole was more likeable? We're moments FC, playing an even worse version of counterattacking football, minus a midfield.
How can anyone look at this football and think yeah, Ten Hag will eventually be standing in old Trafford lifting Premier league and champions league trophies? No one can be that deluded surely
Who said it is any different?How is this any different to Solskjaer, other than Ole was more likeable? We're moments FC, playing an even worse version of counterattacking football, minus a midfield.
Ole was a much bigger risk taker than ETH is. After all the money spent, we have gone back to playing a worse version of Ole ball.We didn't really run under Ole when times were hard. Ole actually got thumped 4-0 vs Everton if I'm not mistaken, when he has his high as caretaker![]()
VP89Who said it is any different?
Of course the medical staff are at least partly to blame, given that the decision was made based on their incorrect assessments of the health of Shaw and Malacia.I didn't blame ETH. I explicitly stated that the responsibles are either the Murtough, the owners, ETH or the all of them. And not the medical staff which was the point made initially.