Well, there's a large percentage on ETH's back too.....
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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He's got to be the most lucky crap manager. Two pens against the run of play so far to keep pressure off him.
The likes of Shaw and Rashford at the start of EtH tenure were much better players than when they made debuts under LvG.
So if you give manager most of the credit for player improvement as you do for EtH then Ole, LvG and JM did well to improve them.
and it should work both ways - then EtH should be critiqued heavily for such a rapid decline of Rashford this season. Otherwise why he gets credit when players are improving or playing well but when they are playing badly or stagnating it is their or someone else’s fault
It's like we're playing on a shot clock countdown. Nothing happening in the middle third on the pitch. Does he know we're allowed to slow the game down?
So are you saying that no manager could be doing a better job?
I think any sane fan realises how poorly run the club has been, and to some extent that's bought most managers time and some patience. I personally think anyone taking on this job under the old regime (we'll see how the new regime do) had a huge job navigating that. Ten Hag has been given too much say in transfers it turns out and he has to take some of the flak for the recruitment.
It all looked promising before the Carabao Cup final and now it looks very much like the wheels have come off.
The structure of the club isn't responsible for what Ten Hag and his team are doing on the training ground, the openness of the system he's employing week after week, the decisions he makes in game or the deluded ramblings to the press after the City game. That's all on him.
I personally didn't expect him to be challenging for the title after a season, but I expected better than what we're currently getting and some form of a system and style developing, even if it was a bit rough and ready. We don't look like a team in transition but one in regression. There's no obvious indication that whatever he's trying to do is going to work.
For what it's worth I think there's no point sacking him now before the executive structure is sorted, but I personally think it's unlikely he'll be here next year barring a major improvement in performances.
I didn’t say another manager couldn’t do better, I said it’s hard to objectively rate our managers when they are having to navigate such below par standards and the teams we are trying to match or surpass give their managers a better run at things. Spending helps when it’s spent well but we never spend well. This idea that ETH transfer Involvement is a huge problem ignores the fact we’ve has issues for a long time with our transfer policy.
I can see how poor we are playing , even today. But we are missing half our defence and don’t have a striker on the pitch. Maybe we could be doing better but at this stage I think results Trump performances until end of season. That won’t be good enough next season, particularly if ETH is retained (which looks unlikely).
Goes on about standards a lot for a man happy to see his players jogging about being second best to everything and allow them to do so without fear of being subbed.
He got Shaw back and threw him right back into the thick of things without easing him in. Even played him with a knock so it's the managers own fault he's injured again.
If this is the type of football people enjoy then fair, but besides the poor results, his football are more boring than he is.
Difficult to manage big squads, also could have been FFP constraints. Its never black and white.
Standing firm against those who wish death upon him.
He's doing nothing different
Our football is so bland.
Oh please. He got two pens.
Same old unsustainable gunslinger football
He simply has to go. Doesn't matter who we're playing, they're walking through our midfield. He's had more than enough time to figure out solutions. Liverpool are going to have a field day next week.
You're right, how dare he set out a team to be threatening on the ball. That bald bastard.
We are a mid-table quality team. We should be grateful that we are 6th in the league.
With a low table quality manager. It’s a miracle!
Very true. Considering you have to go to 13th place in the league to find a team who have scored fewer goals than us.
Utter shite. As usual.
But injuries or something.
But injuries or something.
Watch out he's got a pen!!
Its been obvious he’s not the man for the job for a long time now. I guess we’ll persist till the end of the season but he shouldn’t be in charge next season.
You're right. It's a great win for poundland Ole
I think no matter how strong our line up is the way we're set up means we'll be walked through.
I'm really disappointed because I thought we would eventually work towards being a possession based team. This is crap.
I'm really disappointed because I thought we would eventually work towards being a possession based team. This is crap.
Left back is the most important position on the field. You can't pass the ball or keep possession or create clear cut chances without a LB.
You should know that.
That Everton game is one of the worst games I have ever seen in which any team has ever won.
We’ve seen this exact type of football with towards the end of LVG, Mourinho and Ole. Clearly we are rubbish, there’s no denying that but it seems to happen with every manager we hire.
Yep. It's sheer good fortune that so many results like today have fallen our way. Awful again but we'll take it.
We didn't really run under Ole when times were hard. Ole actually got thumped 4-0 vs Everton if I'm not mistaken, when he has his high as caretaker
The most exciting thing about the match is the final whistle
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How is this any different to Solskjaer, other than Ole was more likeable? We're moments FC, playing an even worse version of counterattacking football, minus a midfield.
How can anyone look at this football and think yeah, Ten Hag will eventually be standing in old Trafford lifting Premier league and champions league trophies? No one can be that deluded surely
How can anyone look at this football and think yeah, Ten Hag will eventually be standing in old Trafford lifting Premier league and champions league trophies? No one can be that deluded surely
Awful stuff
Well this is Ten Hag's worst. If you want to compare to Oles worst, where we were overly tinkering with tactics, didn't have as many injuries and had players outright stop running, it should be obvious.
Who said it is any different?
Ole was a much bigger risk taker than ETH is. After all the money spent, we have gone back to playing a worse version of Ole ball.We didn't really run under Ole when times were hard. Ole actually got thumped 4-0 vs Everton if I'm not mistaken, when he has his high as caretaker
And this is coming from someone that never wanted Ole here full time
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Enjoyed watching us far more under Ole.
this is dire.
this is dire.
Two penalties saving his job.
Of course the medical staff are at least partly to blame, given that the decision was made based on their incorrect assessments of the health of Shaw and Malacia.