altodevil
Odds winner of 'Odds or Evens 2023/2024'
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2013
- Messages
- 17,534
Can someone explain why this wouldn't be a potential safety concern?
Yeah I'm not sure how I feel about the brake regulations, if we end up with cars poodling home just to save brakes or a real lack of significant running in practice sessions just so teams can save brakes for the race (once they get on top of these new cars) I don't see how that's positive but I guess we will find out.
The overcut will be massive next season though, unless they work out how to fire them up quickly (which I doubt) then it will be all about who dares to pit first.
Surely they've done plenty of testing in the back ground, I can't imagine it'll even get close to being 'worn out'.Can someone explain why this wouldn't be a potential safety concern?
You'd think they also thought of those things if those are the first comments in this thread, and that they figured out how to deal with that issue. I wonder what it is though. Maybe there will be something about the minimum state that these parts have to be in by the end of the race, with harsh penalties (couple of grid positions at the least) for transgressions?One set of pads and disk for the whole weekend !!
Just think 10 -15 laps of the race left pushing for the win and your on badly worn disks and pads.
Now to me that is a significant safety risk.
OK they will just produce disks and pads that will last longer, but still think there is a risk.
I have no doubt they have thought about it and developed longer lasting, but why ?You'd think they also thought of those things if those are the first comments in this thread, and that they figured out how to deal with that issue. I wonder what it is though. Maybe there will be something about the minimum state that these parts have to be in by the end of the race, with harsh penalties (couple of grid positions at the least) for transgressions?
It's got to be a cost issue right? I don't see any other reason why they'd do it.I have no doubt they have thought about it and developed longer lasting, but why ?
Dont really see a problem, with changing disks and pads.
Does having new disks and pads give an advantage, maybe it does.
Maybe cost , like you I cant think of any other reason.It's got to be a cost issue right? I don't see any other reason why they'd do it.
To me it sounds like another reason for drivers to not go too fast which is a shame since they're already doing that to preserve both fuel and tires. I don't want F1 to be a series where looking after your car is such a huge part of it, it's supposed to be the ultimate racing series, not some sustainability challenge.
Ferrari switched 90-95% of their team onto 2022 development at the start of May.If merc and red bull end up fighting till the end of the season it might give ferrari or mclaren a real opportunity to switch to 2022 development and get a head start
I guess they have written off 2021 then... fair play to them though its an early call but given the amount of changes coming in it could be one that really pays off if they get it rightFerrari switched 90-95% of their team onto 2022 development at the start of May.
I think they wrote 2021 off at the back end of last year, I think their view was to get the car into a position of being an improvement on last year. They had confidence with the power unit upgrade and they just needed that confidence to correlate with the track performance and they then moved quickly onto it. Interesting to see if it yields anything, Haas started development on their car last year & have been open in saying that they're doing no upgrades on this years car.I guess they have written off 2021 then... fair play to them though its an early call but given the amount of changes coming in it could be one that really pays off if they get it right
I think 2022 could be really strange - there is the possibility somebody does a brawn (double diffuser) and finds a loophole that basically puts them so far ahead the championship is over before people can copy itI think they wrote 2021 off at the back end of last year, I think their view was to get the car into a position of being an improvement on last year. They had confidence with the power unit upgrade and they just needed that confidence to correlate with the track performance and they then moved quickly onto it. Interesting to see if it yields anything, Haas started development on their car last year & have been open in saying that they're doing no upgrades on this years car.
Ferrari switched 90-95% of their team onto 2022 development at the start of May.
Pretty much every manufacturer are 80% towards 2022 now.I guess they have written off 2021 then... fair play to them though its an early call but given the amount of changes coming in it could be one that really pays off if they get it right
With the cost cap it 'should' be closer than ever, but yes that's all part of the fun of F1, some clever people will think of something different and get a slight advantage. I just hope that the team that gets it wrong doesn't get stranded at the back for too long, seeing the likes of Haas and Williams struggle along at the back with no hope is no good for anybody.I think 2022 could be really strange - there is the possibility somebody does a brawn (double diffuser) and finds a loophole that basically puts them so far ahead the championship is over before people can copy it
I do wonder what Lewis's appetite will be for 2022 if he wins the championship this year ... I can envisage a scenario where it envigorates him and he wants the chalange but more likley I could see him walking away so yeah 2022 really could be a strange one
Speaking of finishing 3rd-6th: I never considered this before, but in the latest season of Drive to Survive, they mentioned that there are big bucks (as in: a really significant amount of money) to be won by finishing higher in the manufacturers ranking, which is why the battle for third was so important at the end of last season. I looked that up online, but I couldn't find the amounts concerned - and admittedly, I wouldn't have known anyway how that compares to overall team budgets.Maybe Merc/Red Bull will have one final push to get over the line and become champions, but for the likes of Ferrari/Mclaren/Alpine/Toro Rosso the difference between finishing 3rd or 6th wouldn't be big enough to outweigh the amount it would cost to develop the car.
The prize money is several million usually - but the cost to develop your car would cost about the same amount. With the budget caps coming into effect next year it's more efficient to spend every penny now to make it as good as possible.Speaking of finishing 3rd-6th: I never considered this before, but in the latest season of Drive to Survive, they mentioned that there are big bucks (as: a really significant amount of money) to be won by finishing higher in the manufacturers ranking, which is why the battle for third was so important at the end of last season. I looked that up online, but I couldn't find the amounts concerned - and admittedly, I wouldn't have known anyway how that compares to overall team budgets.
Does anybody know? Cause that might put a different perspective on this comment about teams not caring too much about finishing 3rd or 6th.
Driver | Team | Time |
---|---|---|
1) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | 1:43.184 |
2) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +0.043 |
3) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +0.337 |
4) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.446 |
5) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | +0.548 |
6) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +0.573 |
7) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.709 |
8) Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.812 |
9) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +1.593 |
10) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | +1.707 |
11) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | +1.759 |
12) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | +1.908 |
13) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +2.050 |
14) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +2.200 |
15) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | +2.231 |
16) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +2.262 |
17) George Russell | Williams | +2.268 |
18) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | +2.268 |
19) Mick Schumacher | Haas | +3.715 |
20) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | +3.761 |
Driver | Team | Time |
---|---|---|
1) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | 1:42.115 |
2) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.101 |
3) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +0.128 |
4) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +0.321 |
5) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +0.419 |
6) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +0.578 |
7) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | +0.826 |
8) Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.903 |
9) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +0.905 |
10) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +1.015 |
11) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +1.041 |
12) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | +1.105 |
13) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | +1.183 |
14) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +1.697 |
15) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | +1.766 |
16) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | +2.069 |
17) George Russell | Williams | +2.442 |
18) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | +3.448 |
19) Mick Schumacher | Haas | +3.980 |
20) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | +4.868 |
Dont really think HAAS are that bothered about how the season pans out, all their effort is on 2022.Mazepin spinning and hitting a wall ... again, luckily never damaged the car this time.
At what point do Haas cut their losses here with this guy, been a disaster so far with the stuff that happened before the season even started and then his errr actual racing
They took his money/sponsorship, they made their bed.Mazepin spinning and hitting a wall ... again, luckily never damaged the car this time.
At what point do Haas cut their losses here with this guy, been a disaster so far with the stuff that happened before the season even started and then his errr actual racing
This is true, but there must come a time when the driver becomes a liabilityThey took his money/sponsorship, they made their bed.
When the Mazepin family credit card is declined for a lack of funds. Until then, he'll be there for every race this year.This is true, but there must come a time when the driver becomes a liability
Sadly money is king in F1 not talent.When the Mazepin family credit card is declined for a lack of funds. Until then, he'll be there for every race this year.
I doubt Haas would even be in F1 any more without the Mazepin money. While he's obviously not the best driver he's keeping the team afloat. Maybe after the cost caps they'll be able to negotiate a better deal, but there was rumours of Mazepin buying the whole team.Mazepin spinning and hitting a wall ... again, luckily never damaged the car this time.
At what point do Haas cut their losses here with this guy, been a disaster so far with the stuff that happened before the season even started and then his errr actual racing
Merc struggles make me feel warm and fuzzy.