Because he's too attack minded for Jose and isn't 7ft
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He's been here three seconds and needs to settle a little bit and not be dropped in away from home against a side who were clearly up for it and monstered us.
Thought he showed a bit of fight when he came on though, game was gone but he obviously has something to play for being new at the club.
He had a good game against Wolves so why was he dropped for this one?
Our manager thought starting McTomminay and leaving Fred, and Herrera on the bench, was a good call. It's also why he should be fired
I like Fred, he will be good, he runs around a lot and I think he can do a good defensive job, when he settles, now he tries a bit too much but I htink he can be a less defensively efficient but technically better version of Kante, think his stamina and grit is there and I like that..
Who knows? Nothing makes sense anymore.
Pay 50m for him and then don't play him AFTER he scores and has his best game for the team. I'm done with Jose....
The point is I have been having doubts Mourinho didn't even want him from the start. He was dropped for Fellaini once things became tough, and was subbed midway in second half vs Wolves even though it was his best game. His role masively regressed since Spurs game and I don't find a good reaaon.
I'm quite excited to see what the next manager gets out of him in particular. There's a certain energy and drive he brings that none of our other midfielders deliver. He's a bit sloppy, but that can be worked on.
That wouldnt amaze me. He doesn't play like a Mourinho midfielder (for better or for worse depending on your view) and we know (or strongly suspect) Mourinho had other footballing decisions taken out of his hands this summer.
Another expensive signing looking like a dud with this manager.
Drop your £50m signing after he plays well and scores.
Excited about seeing him under a different manager.
Drop your £50m signing after he plays well and scores.
Excited about seeing him under a different manager.
My guess is Mourinho wants to do his shtick where he says the player hasnt adapted to the league yet so he isnt playing him, then eventually he plays him and he does well so Mourinho takes all the credit even though he might have come good playing earlier, same as with Miki
That is definitely a fair theory. I've mentioned before that the price we paid for him on first view looks like it doesn't make much sense. He doesn't look like a ~50m prospect. I think Peirera got dropped for Fellaini though, it was more when the bodies crunch became obvious. That Matic/Fellaini/Pogba/Herrera crunch that forced Peirera way out of the rotation and that group of people is a nice little foil for Fred to make appearances. Patience on that front is probably needing to be applied and that is more what I see Mourinho doing. I'm fine with not throwing him in the deep end against West Ham. Not many of our actual first team leaders looked up for it.
And pro-mourinho fans still believe that mourinho just needs more money and more transfer windows? for all of mourinho's moaning over the summer, he's not doing himeslf any favours with yet another big money buy struggling under him and probably makes woodward feel justified in his actions this summer of not releasing more funds.
He'll come good under the next manager IMO.
Not worried about him at all. He's tenacious, decent passer and always looking forward with the ball. Excited to see what the next manager can bring out of him.
I wonder if he was a club buy rather than a Mourinho buy, as you can't tell me he'd have offered us less than Matic.
We are crying out for more creativity and decent forward passes. Matic and Fellaini are so slow in buildup, taking too many touches on balls longer and sideways pass. Fred and Periera should start.
I honestly still can't understand why he didn't start, or at least come on in the second half. Our midfield with Matic and Fellaini was static, slow and absolutely terrible for a side that is supposed to attack and try to win the game.
Fred can atleast run, press opponents, make forward runs and passes, even if they don't always find the right guy. Matic took ages to move the ball and I'm not sure what Fellaini's role was. Really struggling to understand how Jose thinks.
Fred can atleast run, press opponents, make forward runs and passes, even if they don't always find the right guy. Matic took ages to move the ball and I'm not sure what Fellaini's role was. Really struggling to understand how Jose thinks.
What's the point of him? (Not trying to be negative, genuine question)
When all of the big clubs other than City brought in expensive new midfielders I actually figured Fred would have the easiest time settling in quickly out of all of them for you guys. His playing style and physical tools seemed perfect for the PL.
Jorginho has been the only one to instantly settle and is already one of our most important and irreplaceable players. Keita, Fabinho, Torrerira, and Fred are all in and out of their teams.
Jorginho has been the only one to instantly settle and is already one of our most important and irreplaceable players. Keita, Fabinho, Torrerira, and Fred are all in and out of their teams.
He must be thinking, what is actual feck did I do coming here?
Seemed like we got him cos he was linked to City. I can see that being Eds motivation to get him lol.
I'm gonna be honest: In Shakthar he was a fantastic engine. I've watched some matches last season and he was a key player in their team, and they are missing him a lot on the midfield this season.
Not going to judge him because this has been an horrible season for every player, except Shaw who re-emerged from the ashes.
Not going to judge him because this has been an horrible season for every player, except Shaw who re-emerged from the ashes.
More and more it's taking oppo fans to point out the obvious point.
State of you drama lhamas in here, he's not a waste or dropped we're just integrating him like all the other teams are doing with their signings.
Fred will have a surprising 2nd season.
He’s an ‘engine player’, so he had no pre season, and played thru an injury in the WC. Physically he needs to be 100%, and I think he isn’t. Also, unfortunately he’ll play the Copa America, I wish he took next summer to get stronger.
He should really be selected ahead of Fellaini unless for some specific games (i.e. vs Watford) where Fellaini was important to combat their attack.
It's an overkill having 3 tall and not agile midfielders over the past few games, the opposition's cut through our midfield effortlessly on numerous occasions.
It's an overkill having 3 tall and not agile midfielders over the past few games, the opposition's cut through our midfield effortlessly on numerous occasions.
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Not a great time to judge him, a couple of months into a new league, after a few games, in a team playing to about 50% of their level.
But...i'm a little worried.
But...i'm a little worried.
seconded
Then he looks at his recent pay-slip "Aw,damn.Now that's why I'm here.Now I'mma gonna buy me some cars,yo"
Feels fantastic that we spend 50m on this guy and he ends up warming the bench for Fellaini. Him and Bailly is 80m£ worth of bench warmers. I think he should start every game.
He's not bad, still yet to fully show his full capabilities. Imo, Herrera's replacement (he's missing more games now with injury). Fred is younger, more better in attacking and strike a better partnership with Pogba.
I'm not sure we needed a Herrera upgrade. Thought we needed someone with good attacking quality to support Pogba.
Alright. Still seems a little pointless to me, especially for £50M.
Mourinho has been mentioning that he wants Brazillian in his team, he got one and he's a midfielder as well which what also Mourinho wanted. I think Fred is Jose's signing and I can't think any reason from Ed's decision that will benefit us financially by signing Fred. The question is now whether Jose did his homework signing players like Lindelof, Fred, Bailly and etc.
It's very early days yet at a time when the only outfield player currently on their game is Shaw.
Why even sign him if he's behind Fellaini & McTominay in the pecking order? I assume Herrera is ahead of him too, so he's what, our 6th choice midfielder? All that money could have gone on a right winger.
Also, why has he not had a look in since Wolves? Which was his best performance for us. Baffling.
Also, why has he not had a look in since Wolves? Which was his best performance for us. Baffling.
Because Mourinho is a turd
Maybe he was a club signing and Jose wants to show who’s boss, by playing the ‘mangers player of the season’
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