After the sex scene? Not a chance, he's definitely dying before the end.Hope grey worm makes it through
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It used to be a show about Play Politics, now it's a show about Power Politics. That was always going to be the logical conclusion. I don't get why people are surprised/disappointed.
And there was always going to be a narrowing of who gets focused on as more characters get killed. A narrowing of the areas it focuses on. And an end game involving the main characters.
Some of the posts here are defo wind ups. lena headey not being able to act is my favourite. Kudos.
Also a lot of questions dont need to be asked cos it doesnt matter. Nobody cares whether the sandsnakes agreed with their mothers deal to join Dany or not. Etc.
A lot of the unimportant stuff is not needed, and rightfully so. This includes stuff you would find out during travel because there are bigger questions that need to be answered.
But if theres proof to all of that, I could see Dany flipping out. Imagine, her seven or so year journey leads to find out, shes not even the rightful heir. Damn.
Also a lot of questions dont need to be asked cos it doesnt matter. Nobody cares whether the sandsnakes agreed with their mothers deal to join Dany or not. Etc.
A lot of the unimportant stuff is not needed, and rightfully so. This includes stuff you would find out during travel because there are bigger questions that need to be answered.
I think additional proof will be needed that they actually married otherwise hes still a bastard.
But if theres proof to all of that, I could see Dany flipping out. Imagine, her seven or so year journey leads to find out, shes not even the rightful heir. Damn.
Why have they turned Tyrion into an idiot? Unless he's either up to something or it's leading somewhere or other, it doesn't really make much sense. He just spouts gibberish and gives bad advice this and the last season. Why did it make any sense to take Castly Rock other than because the plot needed them to? This show is supposed to be better than that.
Euron was more intersting this episode, especially as they've decided that Game of Thrones Risk rules apply to the TV show so his fleet can just turn up wherever the feck it wants, whenever it wants. and I'm guessing Jamie will tell Cersei about what really happened to Jeffrey and then there'll be problems when she still wants to blame or murder Tyrion anyway.
I see they've also got around the fact Bran can't act by just turning him into a right fecking weirdo who doesn't have to convey emotion. Again, not really tying in with anything that's happened before but hey, Three Eyed Raven or whatever. I'm weird now.
I enjoyed the episode though. Typical GOT where everything you don't want to happen, happens, but somehow in a good way.
Euron was more intersting this episode, especially as they've decided that Game of Thrones Risk rules apply to the TV show so his fleet can just turn up wherever the feck it wants, whenever it wants. and I'm guessing Jamie will tell Cersei about what really happened to Jeffrey and then there'll be problems when she still wants to blame or murder Tyrion anyway.
I see they've also got around the fact Bran can't act by just turning him into a right fecking weirdo who doesn't have to convey emotion. Again, not really tying in with anything that's happened before but hey, Three Eyed Raven or whatever. I'm weird now.
I enjoyed the episode though. Typical GOT where everything you don't want to happen, happens, but somehow in a good way.
I think it definitely happens now after the big deal she made of repeatedly telling Jon she was the rightful ruler. He'll find out she isn't, and either it all goes tits up, or he somehow convinces her to believe him and uses it to bargain.
It's the Lannister seat of power and the source of their wealth. It would be an obvious place to attack.
I kinda hope the Lannisters win in all honesty, just because they so obviously won't and aren't meant to.
Tyrion isn't an idiot. He's just being outmaneuvered by Jaime and Euron.
Why is it the source or their wealth? We've known for many seasons that the source of their wealth is the Iron bank and the Tyrels. Tyrion also definitely knows this because his dad put him in charge of looking after the money in King's Landing! He is either up to something or they've just illogically turned him into a thicko.
The obvious place to attack would have been Kings Landing, as that's where Cersei is, it's where the Iron Throne is. If Tyrion knew a secret way into Castly Rock they could have just taken that whenever they felt like it anyway.
He advised them to attack Castly Rock instead of Kings Landing, despite this having no purpose at all.
He knows the Iron bank is what funds the iron throne as he was the master of coin and there were scenes where HE brought this up. His only argument was "avoid killing people"...despite knowing his sister is bonkers and would never just surrender herself without them having to attack Kings Landing anyway.
His advice made no sense at the time and the way the show has played out makes it look even sillier.
That's where the famed Lannister gold has always been stored. Jamie even alluded to it when he said that actually Casterly Rock wasn't worth much anymore, and they had already moved all the gold out in anticipation of the attack.
Wasnt it a case of attacking from all sides. CR was meant to be a place to take, whilst Dorne and High Garden also attack from other sides meaning that Lannisters are essentially attacked by Westerosi (rather than foreigners). The plan to take CR was already in motion whilst Dornish and Tyrells were being taken out.
The crown is not only indebted to the iron bank and the Tyrells, but House Lannister itself. Tywin never commited all their wealth to the crown as their gold was the main reason for their power and influence.
The better question here is if Tyrion knew that the gold mines of Casterly Rock had run dry years ago. Tywin told this Cersei but as far as I can remember the show never showed Tyrion gaining this crucial piece of knowledge. Him being master of coin of the crown is certainly not enough evidence to assume that as the crown and House Lannister were seperated things.
The plan to take Casterly Rock was sound IMO especially given Tyrions knowledge of the infrastructure of the Rock which would reduce casualties on their side. Casterly Rock held logistical (assumption of the wealth), tactical (killing a large portion of the Lannister army, isolating Kings Landing and giving Cersei nowhere to run) and symbolic (ancient seat of House Lannister) value in Tyrions eyes and given the characters knowledge (not to be confused with the viewers knowledge) these were fair assumptions.
Gold mines running dry as excuse for the depleted finances is stratospheric stupidity. It's just not how medieval economy works.
So sustenance is a concern for some of the characters on this show, but somehow not for anyone on Dragonstone, a barren rock consisting mostly of dragonglass and moody cliffsides. In this same episode, Jaime assures Olenna that Casterly Rock will not stay occupied for long because they emptied the larders and the Unsullied will be drawn out due to hunger.
Perhaps you should stick to the book thread?
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No you mustve read that in the book.
Agree with that, probably deliberately put some restricted texts in there. Something to do with the Wall or the Walkers?
100% the foreshadowing with the mention of reward was too strong for it not to be
so state of play on one side is Lannisters under Cersei, Greyjoys under Euron, I take it House Tyrell has been replaced by House Tarley?
do we know who filled the void of House Frey? Might have been good to see something in the first 3 about House Tully moving in there and supporting the North.
House Martell? we've had nothing on this House apart from Ellaria and the snakes - are they next for Jamie
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House Martell? we've had nothing on this House apart from Ellaria and the snakes - are they next for Jamie
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He said they emptied the food reserves. Not the gold.
Yeah it can't be gold as they don't have gold anymore. Tywin mentions this to Cersei in Season 4 that the last of their gold mines went dry sometime back. Was one of the reason to secure the alliance with House Tyrell
Some of you lot are rubbish at watching TV.
For feck sakes.
Lets say CR has a vault somewhere brimming with gold. What's good is it going to do to Greyworm or Danny? The seas are controlled by Euron 'Nelson on steriods' Greyjoy. There's no mercenary groups in Westeros. The Unsullied cant return to Dragonstone and they will soon be annihilated by the Tarly-Lannister superior forces.
Danny should have ordered Dorne and the Reach to raise their army and meet somewhere in between. Her army would join them with their ships escorted by dragons. Once on the mainland their combined force would overwhelm KL and Danny would be queen.
Danny should have ordered Dorne and the Reach to raise their army and meet somewhere in between. Her army would join them with their ships escorted by dragons. Once on the mainland their combined force would overwhelm KL and Danny would be queen.
It's like saying the Sauds will run out of money the moment they run out of oil.For feck sakes.
Turn off your brain and enjoy the spectacle all you want. It is still stupid.
There has been numerous mentions of how expensive war is and that the Lannister (Tywin specifically) had long been making offers to the Iron Bank to keep funds flowing. It's been a false economy for a long while. The gold still exists it's just exited the local economy and moved into the Iron Bank.
That's how the Iron Bank have power, if everyone was rich and prosperous nobody would come to them and ask them what they want in return.
infiniteboredoms posts are great
I think Euron should have asked Jamie if Cersei liked a stump in her rump.
Was he going to ask if Theon could have a go too?
Oh ffs.
Do you even have the slightest idea how it works? Are you telling me generation upon generation the Lannisters have been borrowing money and pay the debt with mined gold?
Go read something about medieval currency manipulation, minted coinage etc before making a reply. Do you even know why Olympians bite their gold medals as late as the 1910s?
i love going to the library and checking out books about minted coinage in order to enjoy tv shows about dragons
Can we make a new thread about making coins?
Lol, can't tell if serious
Well this thread took an unexpected twist. Avoided this thread until I caught up to avoid spoilers but it seems the only thing I'm going to unnecessarily find out is why Olympians bite their coins.